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Bioconservatives, a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate.

(A) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(B) a group who believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of what techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate, forecast

(C) a group that believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predicts the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(D) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of believing that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(E) believing that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate
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Eliminate A because group needs "believes" as the verb. US grammar presides.

Eliminate C because the word "bioconservatives" needs the verb "predict."

Eliminate D for the same reason we eliminate A

Eliminate E because we are contrasting the verb "predict" with the noun "techno-progressives."

B is the correct choice because it corrects choice E's problem, contrast "predict" with "forecast"
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Bio-conservatives predict X
techno-progressives forecast/predict Y.
X is opposite of Y.

Prediction X is to be compared with prediction Y.


(A) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate
prediction is compared to group. Incorrect due to above reason.
subject verb rule is flawed


(B) a group who believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of what techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate, forecast

(C) a group that believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order,predicts the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate
errors as in A repeat here

(D) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of believing that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate
predict the opposite of believing that is flawed construction.
In-addition techno-progressives word is removed misleading the sentence totally as we do not know who believes that.


(E) believing that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate
errors mentioned repeat here
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Bioconservatives, a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate.

(A) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(B) a group who believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of what techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate, forecast

(C) a group that believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predicts the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(D) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of believing that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(E) believing that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly
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The comparison is to be done between the prediction of bioconservatives and prediction of techno-progressives. All the other options get this comparison wrong. B is little close, but I am not sure if predict can really be ellipsed here.
This is the structure of B:
X predict the opposite of what Y (predict)
Here predict has been ellipsed.
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Bioconservatives, a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate.

(A) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(B) a group who believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of what techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate, forecast

(C) a group that believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predicts the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(D) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of believing that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(E) believing that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate


Hi, Can someone help me with this question.. I have two doubts with the OA..
Firstly, "Bioconservatives, a group"- has to be singular. So we have "believes" but why do we have "pridict"... Shouldn't it be "predicts"?
Secondly, shouldn't "that" be used for "a group" instead of "who"?
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Bioconservatives, a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate.

(A) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(B) a group who believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of what techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate, forecast

(C) a group that believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predicts the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(D) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of believing that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(E) believing that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly
regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

Hi, Can someone help me with this question.. I have two doubts with the OA..
Firstly, "Bioconservatives, a group"- has to be singular. So we have "believes" but why do we have "pridict"... Shouldn't it be "predicts"?
Secondly, shouldn't "that" be used for "a group" instead of "who"?
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First query: The subject of predict is bioconservatives, which is plural, so the verb predict has to be plural. The subject of believes is group, which is singular.
Second query: Technically speaking, group should be modified by that and not who. Well this is a veritas prep question, so dont worry about it. Veritas verbal is full of ambiguity. In real GMAT, this kind of ambiguity wont be present.
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The subject of ‘predict’ is ‘bioconservatives’ which is a plural subject. Hence predict is correct. The subject for 'believe’ is ‘group’ which is singular. Hence, it should be ‘believes’. So, we can eliminate A,D and E. Between B and C, we eliminate C because of ‘predicts’. Do not base your elimination on ‘that’ and ‘who’. 'That' is technically correct but ‘who’ is also acceptable. C has a major error with subject verb agreement. Hence, we choose the best of the lot which is B.
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for group, can we use relative pronoun 'who'? .i think who and whom are only used for persons. which and that has to be used for group.

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for group, can we use relative pronoun 'who'? .i think who and whom are only used for persons. which and that has to be used for group.

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yes you are right. who and whom are only used for persons.
and here the group is noun modifier or Appositive referring to the group of Bio-conservatives.
So group here refers to people.........hence is correct.
Group is a collective noun here just like team.
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Bioconservatives, a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate.

(A) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite as techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(B) a group who believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of what techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate, forecast

(C) a group that believes that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predicts the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(D) a group who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of believing that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate

(E) believing that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict the opposite of techno-progressives, who believe that, when properly regulated, technology can empower and emancipate


Hi, Can someone help me with this question.. I have two doubts with the OA..
Firstly, "Bioconservatives, a group"- has to be singular. So we have "believes" but why do we have "pridict"... Shouldn't it be "predicts"?
Secondly, shouldn't "that" be used for "a group" instead of "who"?
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I agree, if bioconservatives is a group then how can it be plural. Please clarify moderators.
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Hi expert,
I have doubts with the construction of the correct option B.
1) Bioconservatives,a group who...
How can who refer to group correctly?
2) Bioconservatives...predict
If we treat "Bioconservatives" as a group,how can we use the plural verb "predict"

Please help clarify my doubt
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Hi expert,
I have doubts with the construction of the correct option B.
1) Bioconservatives,a group who...
How can who refer to group correctly?
2) Bioconservatives...predict
If we treat "Bioconservatives" as a group,how can we use the plural verb "predict"

Please help clarify my doubt
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I agree with both your points. Option B seems to be problematic for two reasons:

1. S-V agreement: "a group.." refers to "Bioconservatives". Therefore it is clear the "Bioconservatives" is considered a group here and hence is singular. So the verb "predict" is wrong.

2. The relative pronoun "who" wrongly refers to "group" (Not a person).

The correct option could be:
Bioconservatives, a group people who believe that technological innovation threatens the existing social order, predict.....
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Bioconservatives: is mentioned as a group, therefore it should be singular.
Correct SV pair : Bioconservatives(Group)+ believes and : Bioconservatives(Group)+predicts.

Techno-progressives: is not shown as a group and therefore is plural form.
Correct SV pair : Techno-progressives+believe.
e.g: Lions, which are considered as man-eaters???.
Lions is not a group but an identity. Similar are techno-progressives.

Marked Option C as correct.

Usage of who for a group is wrong.
Compared Bioconservatives with techno-progressives.

Pl correct me.
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Expert mikemcgarry please guide for this question....I am confused..Bioconservatives is a group so singular in nature hence predicts must be used instead of predict which is used in Option B. Also my second doubt is how can who refer to a group? Who is used to refer to persons isn't it?
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What's wrong with option E?
I could eliminate A,C, and D... Not clear why E is incorrect. Please help

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What's wrong with option E?
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Consider the following:
Bioconservatives predict the opposite of techno-progressives.

This usage does not make any sense - one can predict an event, but it does not make sense when someone predicts some people. The oppposite of techno-progressives are the people who are not techno-progressives. Thus it is meaningless to say that X predicts the people who are not techno-progressives.

Correct usage is:
Bioconservatives predict the opposite of techno-progressives' prediction/forecast.
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Expert mikemcgarry please guide for this question....I am confused..Bioconservatives is a group so singular in nature hence predicts must be used instead of predict which is used in Option B. Also my second doubt is how can who refer to a group? Who is used to refer to persons isn't it?

Dear vasuca10,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, as in another question of yours that I answered, what you believe is a SVA problem is actually a misunderstanding of the nature of the nested clauses. Choice (B) is perfect as is. Here's the main outside sentence, without the noun-modifying clauses.
Bioconservatives . . . predict the opposite of what techno-progressives . . . forecast.
The main subject is "Bioconservatives," a plural noun, and the main verb is "predict," a plural verb. No SVA problem.

The main noun, a plural noun, is followed by a singular appositive phrase "group," and the noun-modifying relative clause, beginning with the word "who," modifies that singular noun and so has a singular verb. You were confusing appositive phrase & subject of the noun-modifying clause with the main subject of the sentence. You were looking at two verbs operating at two completely different grammatical levels in the sentence.

As for your other question, it's 100% perfectly fine for "who" to refer to a group of people, either a few people or a very large group:
my friends, who like to refer to Monty Python, . . .
my family, most of whom live on the East Coast, . . .
the NY Mets, who were the 2015 NL champions, . . .
the French, who take pride in their language, . . .
the world's Muslims, who are an astonishing diverse group, . . .
the human race, whose living members outnumber the dead members, . . .

All of those constructions are 100% grammatically correct. There are about 70 million French people and about 1 billion Muslim on Earth. In the entire history of our species Homo sapiens, there have been about 10 billion human beings altogether, and about 7 billion of those are alive right now. I don't think I can conceive of a bigger number of "who," yet this use of "who" is still perfectly correct.

My friend, rather than continue to cite SVA issues and other problems where in fact you misunderstand the relationship of different clauses, I would recommend developing a deeper understanding of sophisticated grammatical structures. A non-native English speaker develops this understand by cultivating a rigorous habit of reading. Learning all the rules of grammar will only give you about 20-30% of what you need to know. The rest is a living knowledge of how the language is used, and this comes only from reading. See:
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Does all this make sense?
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Expert mikemcgarry please guide for this question....I am confused..Bioconservatives is a group so singular in nature hence predicts must be used instead of predict which is used in Option B. Also my second doubt is how can who refer to a group? Who is used to refer to persons isn't it?

Dear vasuca10,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, as in another question of yours that I answered, what you believe is a SVA problem is actually a misunderstanding of the nature of the nested clauses. Choice (B) is perfect as is. Here's the main outside sentence, without the noun-modifying clauses.
Bioconservatives . . . predict the opposite of what techno-progressives . . . forecast.
The main subject is "Bioconservatives," a plural noun, and the main verb is "predict," a plural verb. No SVA problem.

The main noun, a plural noun, is followed by a singular appositive phrase "group," and the noun-modifying relative clause, beginning with the word "who," modifies that singular noun and so has a singular verb. You were confusing appositive phrase & subject of the noun-modifying clause with the main subject of the sentence. You were looking at two verbs operating at two completely different grammatical levels in the sentence.

As for your other question, it's 100% perfectly fine for "who" to refer to a group of people, either a few people or a very large group:
my friends, who like to refer to Monty Python, . . .
my family, most of whom live on the East Coast, . . .
the NY Mets, who were the 2015 NL champions, . . .
the French, who take pride in their language, . . .
the world's Muslims, who are an astonishing diverse group, . . .
the human race, whose living members outnumber the dead members, . . .

All of those constructions are 100% grammatically correct. There are about 70 million French people and about 1 billion Muslim on Earth. In the entire history of our species Homo sapiens, there have been about 10 billion human beings altogether, and about 7 billion of those are alive right now. I don't think I can conceive of a bigger number of "who," yet this use of "who" is still perfectly correct.

My friend, rather than continue to cite SVA issues and other problems where in fact you misunderstand the relationship of different clauses, I would recommend developing a deeper understanding of sophisticated grammatical structures. A non-native English speaker develops this understand by cultivating a rigorous habit of reading. Learning all the rules of grammar will only give you about 20-30% of what you need to know. The rest is a living knowledge of how the language is used, and this comes only from reading. See:
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Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)

Sir, Thank you for the guidance. However I marked B as Incorrect because the option introduced a new word called "Forecast".The correct answer choice should not have any new words which can change the whole meaning of the paragraph.Please help
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Sir, Thank you for the guidance. However I marked B as Incorrect because the option introduced a new word called "Forecast".The correct answer choice should not have any new words which can change the whole meaning of the paragraph.Please help


Hi sahilsnpt!

I can jump in for Mike here :-)

The word "forecast" is a synonym for "predict". The sentence is talking about what "bioconservatives" and "techno-progressives" each "predict". To avoid repeating the word "predict", option B just substitutes "forecast". The meaning, though, is exactly the same -- just because a different word is used, doesn't mean that it is changing the meaning of the sentence at all. Sometimes it's necessary to add or take away words to correct the grammar, but that's find, as long as the meaning doesn't change (as is the case here).

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