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B provides verb where other options use adjective or nouns. VAN principle of conciseness says the verb has priority over adjective and noun

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Even in the above sentence, after removing the non-essential part we have an "also".
Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own

Doesn't this make the sentence grammatically incorrect?

In general, an attempt to remove the non-essential part is a good exercise to quickly find out the subject-verb agreement, and the gist of the sentence; however, if one was to apply strict grammar rules (such as pronoun reference, or the presence of the adverb also), this might be an exercise in vain.

Another example of an officially correct question:

The Sun, which is 400 times larger than the Moon, is also 400 times farther away from Earth, so the Sun and the Moon have the same apparent size in the sky.

Again, if we remove the non-essential which is 400 times larger than the Moon, the sentence is:

The Sun is also 400 times farther away from Earth, so the Sun and the Moon have the same apparent size in the sky.
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hey guys,

please, advice why 'also inspired' in B doesn't require 'not only, but also' construction. some links to the rule would be helpful.
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Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.
(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to
(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to
(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of

Hi daagh,

I have a doubt in option A.
Is the usage of that as non-essential modifier always incorrect (the way it is used in option A)?
(if for a moment we forget the obvious error of using that to refer back to animate object )

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In Choice B, dont I require any conjunction and to join the first 2 clauses separated by ", also" .


No, there should not be a conjunction before also. Following is the explanation:

The main clause - Bill Monroe also inspired many musicians.

Bill Monroe is the subject and inspired is the verb.

Now insert a relative clause modifier to say something about Bill Monore - whose repertory and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists. Now the sentence becomes:

Bill Monroe, whose repertory and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians.

The blue highlighted part is a relative clause with its own subject whose repertory and vocal style and verb influenced. The main clause Bill Monroe also inspired remains unaffected.

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In Choice B, dont I require any conjunction and to join the first 2 clauses separated by ", also" .


No, there should not be a conjunction before also. Following is the explanation:

The main clause - Bill Monroe also inspired many musicians.

Bill Monroe is the subject and inspired is the verb.

Now insert a relative clause modifier to say something about Bill Monore - whose repertory and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists. Now the sentence becomes:

Bill Monroe, whose repertory and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians.

The blue highlighted part is a relative clause with its own subject whose repertory and vocal style and verb influenced. The main clause Bill Monroe also inspired remains unaffected.




Thanks sayantanc2k for a very good explanation!!

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I have a doubt in option A.

Is the usage of that as non-essential modifier always incorrect (the way it is used in option A)?
(if for a moment we forget the obvious error of using that to refer back to animate object )

I have not seen an example with a comma used before ‘that’. I doubt if such a case exists. However, I feel A is ruled out for more important reasons.

Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from --- 1. influential on is not idiomatic – influenced is right as per VAN rule. 2. Including sounds better than ‘that included’ and 3. The comma +that

(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from --- correct choice

(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to – straight out. Was influential is SV error because the subject is a compound list of three factors. 2. Same error as in A and 3. Comma + that. 4. Differ from is the correct idiom.----differed in is the wrong idiom.

(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to ---1. same SV error as in C. 2. Differed significantly when is unidiomatic

(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of – 1. 'Were an influence on' is unidiomatic 2. 'From that of his own' is redundant. (from the music of his own music)
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The first point of elimination should be the subject verb agreement.
The subject is plural here, hence we need a plural verb - were.
Eliminate C and D

When faced with a choice, always follow VAN.

Option A does not follow this rule. Plus that should not be preceded by a comma
Option B is correct as is.
Option E is in passive voice and uses were and influence, which falls below influenced in the VAN rule

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Answer is B


Reason is parallelism :-

Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

Three different verb form -al (influential), on (Inspiration), ed (differed) .

OPTION B Corrects all three and uses a common verb from:-
(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

REST ALL ARE WRONG ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.



(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to
(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to
(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of
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No, there should not be a conjunction before also. Following is the explanation:

The main clause - Bill Monroe also inspired many musicians.

Bill Monroe is the subject and inspired is the verb.

Now insert a relative clause modifier to say something about Bill Monore - whose repertory and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists. Now the sentence becomes:

Bill Monroe, whose repertory and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians.

The blue highlighted part is a relative clause with its own subject whose repertory and vocal style and verb influenced. The main clause Bill Monroe also inspired remains unaffected.



Hi sayantanc2k,

Is it ok to eliminate based on V-A-N rule. influenced and inspired preferred over were influential and was inspired.

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Gmat prefers a complete verb to a '' to be verb + adjective construction''

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sayantanc2k wrote:

No, there should not be a conjunction before also. Following is the explanation:

The main clause - Bill Monroe also inspired many musicians.

Bill Monroe is the subject and inspired is the verb.

Now insert a relative clause modifier to say something about Bill Monore - whose repertory and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists. Now the sentence becomes:

Bill Monroe, whose repertory and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians.

The blue highlighted part is a relative clause with its own subject whose repertory and vocal style and verb influenced. The main clause Bill Monroe also inspired remains unaffected.



Hi sayantanc2k,

Is it ok to eliminate based on V-A-N rule. influenced and inspired preferred over were influential and was inspired.


I would suggest to use the VAN rule only as a last resort.

(Please note that in your statement, "inspired" and "was inspired" are both verbs ( active and passive voice) - hence VAN rule does not apply in this case.)

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Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to

(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to

(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of
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Hi daagh egmat sayantanc2k

in B (the correct answer) we have ,V-ing. From my understanding: ,V-ing is used to modify the entire preceding clause, but in B , V-ing is used to modify the preceding noun musicians.

Could you please explain such contradiction in B? Many thanks for your kindly comments! :-D
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The very purpose of using ", V-ing" is for not referring to the touching noun. If you want the 'including' to refer to the musicians, then you should remove the comma as in 'many musicians including''. Therefore, the comma plus V-ing is not referring to the musicians as I see it.
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The very purpose of using ", V-ing" is for not referring to the touching noun. If you want the 'including' to refer to the musicians, then you should remove the comma as in 'many musicians including''. Therefore, the comma plus V-ing is not referring to the musicians as I see it.


Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

I can not figure out which phrase ,including modifies? Hi daagh, please elaborate more on modifier ,including!
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in B (the correct answer) we have ,V-ing. From my understanding: ,V-ing is used to modify the entire preceding clause, but in B , V-ing is used to modify the preceding noun musicians.

Could you please explain such contradiction in B? Many thanks for your kindly comments! :-D

Hi leanhdung, actually the word including is not your usual V-ing modifier. In fact, it's not a modifier at all; it is actually a preposition. Hence, the usual rules of participial phrases do not apply to including.

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