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Can anybody explain why the use of "was" is wrong? Thanks


HI brightandamen,

so in C & D usage of first WAS is wrong:

Monroe
whose views WAS influential
was also an inspiration

the subject "views" is plural, so you need WERE not was.

INFLUENCED (Verb) is also better than WERE INFLUENTIAL (Adjective): VAN rule says preference order of verb, adjective and noun is:
Verb --> Adjective --> Noun

Hence B is correct.
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The Official Guide for GMAT Verbal Review 2017

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Question No.: SC 274
Page: 268

Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to

(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to

(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of


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A:
- "Influential on" is bad idiomatic usage.
- "That included" can't follow a comma, and, even if you remove the comma, the meaning is absurd (the implication would be that Elvis and Jerry composed part of the anatomy of many different musicians).

C:
- "Was influential to" is at best awkward.
- See A for discussion of "that included."
- "Significantly" should come before "different."
- "In comparison to" is redundant because the sentence already says "different."

D:
- See above for "influential to."
- The wording of this choice implies that bluegrass artists aren't musicians (skeleton sentence: "BM, whose stuff influenced lots of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians.")
- "The music of whom" is wordy ("whose music" is better).
- "Differed when compared to" is redundant - and it's an incorrect interpretation (literally, it means that the music was only 'different' when someone was actively comparing it to some other music).

E:
- "That of his own" is redundant (and incorrect, because it literally means "Bill Monroe's music's music").

(remember, 'comma + including' is a modifier THAT EXISTS SPECIFICALLY TO CONVEY the idea of 'I'm naming some, but not all, members of a group'. if that's the intended meaning, then use it!)
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brightandamen wrote:
Can anybody explain why the use of "was" is wrong? Thanks


HI brightandamen,

so in C & D usage of first WAS is wrong:

Monroe
whose views WAS influential
was also an inspiration

the subject "views" is plural, so you need WERE not was.

INFLUENCED (Verb) is also better than WERE INFLUENTIAL (Adjective): VAN rule says preference order of verb, adjective and noun is:
Verb --> Adjective --> Noun

Hence B is correct.


Oh! It's all clear now, thanks HKD1710 !

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The Official Guide for GMAT Verbal Review 2017

Practice Question
Question No.: SC 274
Page: 268

Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to

(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to

(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of



Apologies for digging up an old thread. For point B, could someone please comment on ",also inspired many musicians"? I had ruled out B because I assumed that this comma was unnecessary. In my mind, "Bill whose...influenced X also inspired Y" seems parallel but when you try to break it up with the comma the ",also inspired..." sounds really weird.

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This is a pretty interesting yet a fluffy question.
we can skim to the form such as this ---------"Bill monroe (whose --------------bluegrass artists)influenced many people (including --------jerry garcia (whose --------from his own))
The problem with the question stem is that the usage of 'that' in "that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia,"This is pretty wordy and not a rhetorical construction
and adding to this,
we have a passive structure--- "whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists"'.
Please note Sub-Verb rule is followed everywhere.

So Scanning the options for a better choice, Option B get rids of passive structure. But one may get skeptic to the word "also" in the choice B. however re-stating the whole sentence again --- Bill Monroe (whose---------artists) also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.---- makes us clear that there is nothing wrong in the sentence. It's a fair construction and an independent clause.

We cannot say that parallelism is applied here -----(whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style----) need not be parallel to (inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own) because the part relative clause is not a subordinate clause simply giving additional info where the second clause is the main topic/clause being emphasized.

Coming to Option C,D , the plural subject whose "repertory, views" on musical collaboration, and vocal style is taking singular verb "was" .Hence incorrect
Option E awkward, verbose and grammatically incorrect

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Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

Apologies for digging up an old thread. For point B, could someone please comment on ",also inspired many musicians"? I had ruled out B because I assumed that this comma was unnecessary. In my mind, "Bill whose...influenced X also inspired Y" seems parallel but when you try to break it up with the comma the ",also inspired..." sounds really weird.


Hi pafrompa,

First of all it is a good practice to ask question on an existing thread. Have you noticed REQUEST EXPERT REPLY button just below the verbal questions? try them :D

Now comes to the query:

Subject + modifier inside commas + verb
Bill Monroe , whose views and style influenced generations, also inspired

so the comma just before the ALSO is necessary. otherwise it would look like "generations of bluegrass artists" inspired many musicians not Bill.

Here is the entire structure:
Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe
------------------------------,whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists,
also inspired many musicians
---------------------------------,including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia
---------------------------------------------------------------------,whose music differed significantly from his own.

Hope this helps :)
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Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from

Apologies for digging up an old thread. For point B, could someone please comment on ",also inspired many musicians"? I had ruled out B because I assumed that this comma was unnecessary. In my mind, "Bill whose...influenced X also inspired Y" seems parallel but when you try to break it up with the comma the ",also inspired..." sounds really weird.


Hi pafrompa,

First of all it is a good practice to ask question on an existing thread. Have you noticed REQUEST EXPERT REPLY button just below the verbal questions? try them :D

Now comes to the query:

Subject + modifier inside commas + verb
Bill Monroe , whose views and style influenced generations, also inspired

so the comma just before the ALSO is necessary. otherwise it would look like "generations of bluegrass artists" inspired many musicians not Bill.

Here is the entire structure:
Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe
------------------------------,whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists,
also inspired many musicians
---------------------------------,including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia
---------------------------------------------------------------------,whose music differed significantly from his own.

Hope this helps :)



HKD,
Helps so much. Not sure what it was but my brain just wasn't seeing the commas as a nonessential modifier. Guess I just got too caught on on trying to keep parallelism throughout the list of Bill's skills. Thanks for clarifying!

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B is correct - The original sentence logically intends to explain that Monroe's work influenced generations of artists in his own musical field and that he inspired many musicians in other musical fields. Who or what influenced or inspired whom must be more clearly stated. Additionally, the original sentence lacks precision, being overly wordy and using phrases that are not idiomatic. Concise and consistent verb forms, as well as the use of subordinate phrases rather than clauses, improve the precision of the sentence.

OE:

A - The phrase were influential on is wordy and is not idiomatic; the use of verb forms were (the predicate of repertory, views, and style) and was (the predicate of Monroe) is confusing.

B is Correct - The use of the concise verb forms of influenced and inspired simplifies and clarifies the sentence. The concise use of including avoids the pronoun error and unnecessary wordiness.

C and D are out due to subject-verb agreement.

E - The phrase were an influence on is wordy and not idiomatic. The phrases was also an inspiration to and was significantly different are unnecessarily wordy. The phrase from that of is unclear and confusing.
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