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# Bob Wilber became Sidney Bechet’s student and protégé when he was nine

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29 Feb 2016, 11:00
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thangvietnam wrote:
I think c is best
he come as close to being a carbon coppy as anyone had come

The two elements of comparison are:
1. Bob Wilber came close to being a carbon copy.
2. Anyone (A) has ever come / (C) ever had done.

Past perfect is not the correct choice here. Bob Wilber came close to being a carbon copy in the 1940's. Using past perfect for the second element of comparison implies a comparison with those who came before 1940's. However the sentence intends to compare with those who came until now. Hence present prefect tense is better.

Correct A. ...he came as close to being a carbon copy as anyone has ever come...
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06 Mar 2016, 13:38
Correct idiom is "as X..as Y". We need present perfect (because we have word "ever"). Hence A is correct. Past perfect tense is wrong
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29 Jul 2017, 02:14
OE from Ron on Manhattan Forum :
i'm going to have to be the dissenting voice here; i personally like (a) better than the other choices.

(d) and (e) are plainly wrong; "as close..." must be followed up by "as".

(c) also doesn't make any sense, because there's no precedent for "done". specifically, the sentence doesn't use any other form of the verb "to do", so "done" isn't properly parallel to anything.

(a) makes sense: he came as close as anyone has ever come. that's totally parallel. also, the "ever" is inserted in the location that's traditionally considered correct for these sorts of things: between the helping verb and the participle (i.e., between "has" and "come"). i don't think it's unidiomatic to write "ever has come", but that would certainly be more awkward than "has ever come".

in (b), you could probably argue for "had been", in the sense that it means "had been ... as close". so that's ok.
as a tiebreaker, though, the placement of "ever" isn't optimal in this choice; "had ever been" would be better.

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as another tiebreaker, note that (a) is in the present perfect and (b) is in the past perfect. both of these actually make sense, but they have different interpretations:
* present perfect (as in choice a) means that he came closer than anyone else all the way up to the present day
* past perfect (as in choice b) means that he came closer than anyone else up to his time. the use of the past perfect actually implies that someone has since come closer; in particular, the fact that the present perfect isn't used seems to imply this.

the reason this is a tiebreaker is that you're obliged to preserve the meaning of the original sentence, insofar as it actually makes sense. because the present perfect is a valid interpretation, the past perfect constitutes an unacceptable change of meaning.
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27 Aug 2017, 21:30
(A) as anyone has ever come
(B) as anyone ever had been :- Placement of ever is wrong. HAD EVER BEEN will be better,
(C) as anyone ever had done

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as another tiebreaker, note that (a) is in the present perfect and (b) is in the past perfect. both of these actually make sense, but they have different interpretations:
* present perfect (as in choice a) means that he came closer than anyone else all the way up to the present day
* past perfect (as in choice b) means that he came closer than anyone else up to his time. the use of the past perfect actually implies that someone has since come closer; in particular, the fact that the present perfect isn't used seems to imply this

the reason this is a tiebreaker is that you're obliged to preserve the meaning of the original sentence, insofar as it actually makes sense. because the present perfect is a valid interpretation, the past perfect constitutes an unacceptable change of meaning.
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19 Aug 2018, 06:05
this is terriblly beautiful question , a question which show the class of official questions.

normally, the tense in the past context is also in a past time. the most difficult problem happens when the present tense is used in a sentense with many past tenses around.

how can we infer than present perfect here in choice A is logic? very hard.
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