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# BusinessWeek B School Ranking 2008

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11 Jan 2008, 02:09
Does anyone know when that one is out this year?
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11 Jan 2008, 02:33
Sometime later this year
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11 Jan 2008, 05:10
I would bet after the school year, I think they use the employment data.
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11 Jan 2008, 06:55
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I would bet after the school year, I think they use the employment data.

I am very interested to see how the "Finance Houses" will perform with the "this Financial market"...
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11 Jan 2008, 07:02
I thought the rankings came out just last year and b-week releases them every other year. So the next one should be late 08/early 09.

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I would bet after the school year, I think they use the employment data.
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11 Jan 2008, 07:08
No the last actually ranking was in 2006. BW runs on even years. USnews is every year.
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11 Jan 2008, 07:13
Yep-my bad. It was last released Oct '06. So I guess later this year.

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No the last actually ranking was in 2006. BW runs on even years. USnews is every year.
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11 Jan 2008, 07:16
Should be interesting to see how it plays out. If GSB holds #1 or someone else jumps to the top. BW is more for bragging rights and help increase apps somewhat...no one, not even rhyme, would argue GSB is higher in true ranking than HSW.
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11 Jan 2008, 07:20
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Yep-my bad. It was last released Oct '06. So I guess later this year.

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No the last actually ranking was in 2006. BW runs on even years. USnews is every year.

And it's going to be the BW ranking for the class of 2010
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11 Jan 2008, 07:30
too bad we will have to make our decisions beforehand.
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11 Jan 2008, 07:42
Anyone who picks a school solely on ranking is probably going to be disappointed. They fluctuate enough that school X could be #1 this year and #3 when you graduate. Recruiters dont pay attention to rankings really. I think the more telling information from BW is the grades that they have for schools for recruiters and students opinions on their table. You can actually see how schools stack up against each other with recruiter perception and students feel for the school. GSB = #1 with students. Kellogg = #1 with recruiters.

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11 Jan 2008, 07:52
Duke is the only school that has A+ grades across the board...interesting...
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11 Jan 2008, 07:53
I knew someone would come up with that argument. Of course, I dont base my decision solely on rankings, but it could still tip me off in one direction in case I have a choice of more than one school.
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11 Jan 2008, 08:03
I think rankings do help to some extent. I think it tends to be a cycle- better rankings will draw better applicants who otherwise might not have applied and some of those guys might actually join. Case in point is GSB-a few years back, I am not sure if many people would have thought about dumping W for GSB but now it does seem some admits do think about it. With better student body, you will find better recruitment and then the ranking will be justified and so the cycle continues. I believe rankings definitely matter in the E/TE level much more than the UE.
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11 Jan 2008, 08:47
There's always going to be debate as to what the proper measure of an MBA program is and, in most cases, it varies depending on the interests, personality, and goals of the applicant. That being said, the overwhelming consensus is that Harvard and Stanford are the top two programs. How much validity does a ranking system have if it places them at 14th/19th (WSJ) or even 4th/6th (BW)? I understand that they're trying to come up with a scientific formula for ranking schools, but if the result is that far off from "reality" it casts doubt upon the credibility of the entire system. It seems to me that applicants are much better off using non-quantitative measures to assess the fit/value of schools.
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11 Jan 2008, 15:27
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There's always going to be debate as to what the proper measure of an MBA program is and, in most cases, it varies depending on the interests, personality, and goals of the applicant. That being said, the overwhelming consensus is that Harvard and Stanford are the top two programs. How much validity does a ranking system have if it places them at 14th/19th (WSJ) or even 4th/6th (BW)? I understand that they're trying to come up with a scientific formula for ranking schools, but if the result is that far off from "reality" it casts doubt upon the credibility of the entire system. It seems to me that applicants are much better off using non-quantitative measures to assess the fit/value of schools.

I would say it is similar to football league tables. For Example the English League.
e.g Manchester United would be the equivalent of an Elite school - (1945–1969) they were the best, however by the mid 70's they slumped and even got relegated. By the mid 80's they were resurgent, although not ultra-elite, they were elite again. However, come the 90's the surged back to become an ultra-elite.

Historically speaking, a lot of the top clubs have been elite for a long term with some short term dips. The reputation of the club ensures it always attracts top players. However sometimes the management and players underperform and brings it down in the rankings.

Sometimes you get an established team trying to push its way into the ultra-elite and managing it (Chelsea), sometimes they fall away (Leeds Utd)

Business schools sound much the same in reality, you will get ups ad downs, however in the long run, the high reputation schools will remain near the top due to its reputation.
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11 Jan 2008, 16:56
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sometimes they fall away (Leeds Utd)

You could have used the 1990+ Blackburn for this example. Why Leeds? Whyyyy? Whyyyyyyyyy?
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11 Jan 2008, 17:20
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dox wrote:
There's always going to be debate as to what the proper measure of an MBA program is and, in most cases, it varies depending on the interests, personality, and goals of the applicant. That being said, the overwhelming consensus is that Harvard and Stanford are the top two programs. How much validity does a ranking system have if it places them at 14th/19th (WSJ) or even 4th/6th (BW)? I understand that they're trying to come up with a scientific formula for ranking schools, but if the result is that far off from "reality" it casts doubt upon the credibility of the entire system. It seems to me that applicants are much better off using non-quantitative measures to assess the fit/value of schools.

I would say it is similar to football league tables. For Example the English League.
e.g Manchester United would be the equivalent of an Elite school - (1945–1969) they were the best, however by the mid 70's they slumped and even got relegated. By the mid 80's they were resurgent, although not ultra-elite, they were elite again. However, come the 90's the surged back to become an ultra-elite.

Historically speaking, a lot of the top clubs have been elite for a long term with some short term dips. The reputation of the club ensures it always attracts top players. However sometimes the management and players underperform and brings it down in the rankings.

Sometimes you get an established team trying to push its way into the ultra-elite and managing it (Chelsea), sometimes they fall away (Leeds Utd)

Business schools sound much the same in reality, you will get ups ad downs, however in the long run, the high reputation schools will remain near the top due to its reputation.

What's that make Arsenal, who, to my knowledge, have never been relegated?

There's only one club in London
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11 Jan 2008, 23:35
I have the October 2006 version of BW's rankings. Funny how when I looked at it then, I had no clue what it meant, wasn't even thinking about b-school, and just thought of it as a curiosity.

Looking forward to seeing the 2008 version though, when we're all in school.

As for ranking movements, it'll take a decade or more for a school to move clusters, if at all. I know GSB was probably outside of the UEs back in the early 90s, and they are now solidly in the UEs. UCLA used to be consistently ahead of Haas in rankings, even in the top 10 most of the time (90's), and now it's always behind, even though both are still Elites.

I wonder what will happen in 10 years.
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12 Jan 2008, 05:34
Strategery, I think you mean Everton - who have enjoyed the maximum number of years in the top flight in the English league (or more than any other team in any other top league for that matter).

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There's always going to be debate as to what the proper measure of an MBA program is and, in most cases, it varies depending on the interests, personality, and goals of the applicant. That being said, the overwhelming consensus is that Harvard and Stanford are the top two programs. How much validity does a ranking system have if it places them at 14th/19th (WSJ) or even 4th/6th (BW)? I understand that they're trying to come up with a scientific formula for ranking schools, but if the result is that far off from "reality" it casts doubt upon the credibility of the entire system. It seems to me that applicants are much better off using non-quantitative measures to assess the fit/value of schools.

I would say it is similar to football league tables. For Example the English League.
e.g Manchester United would be the equivalent of an Elite school - (1945–1969) they were the best, however by the mid 70's they slumped and even got relegated. By the mid 80's they were resurgent, although not ultra-elite, they were elite again. However, come the 90's the surged back to become an ultra-elite.

Historically speaking, a lot of the top clubs have been elite for a long term with some short term dips. The reputation of the club ensures it always attracts top players. However sometimes the management and players underperform and brings it down in the rankings.

Sometimes you get an established team trying to push its way into the ultra-elite and managing it (Chelsea), sometimes they fall away (Leeds Utd)

Business schools sound much the same in reality, you will get ups ad downs, however in the long run, the high reputation schools will remain near the top due to its reputation.

What's that make Arsenal, who, to my knowledge, have never been relegated?

There's only one club in London
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