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you are correct. i was looking for a verb for calculus, which is not clear in this question. such questions make us frustrated before exam.
i agree with your opinion.
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Calculus, a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on limits, derivatives, integrals, and infinite series.

(A) to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on
(B) to attend college involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on
(C) to go to college involving the study of change, and is used in science and engineering fields, because it was focusing on
(D) to attend college that involves studying change, and is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on
(E) to attend college involving the study of change, which is now used in the science and engineering fields, focuses on

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but B is still not logic

the subject involve and is used because it focus
is used because focus, logic
involve because focus, NO LOGIC
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Calculus, a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on limits, derivatives, integrals, and infinite series.

(A) to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on
(B) to attend college involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on
(C) to go to college involving the study of change, and is used in science and engineering fields, because it was focusing on
(D) to attend college that involves studying change, and is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on
(E) to attend college involving the study of change, which is now used in the science and engineering fields, focuses on

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Nice :) i picked the right answer in 2.35; too much time but for this question level not is simple.

look on the bright side: i don't have doubts on the answer ;)

first split involves VS involving: involves is right

B/D: that involves is incorrect.


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my doubt is why there is comma before and in option B as , and means there is an independent clause so what is the subject of that ,and after also why we do not have comma before involves ?

please explain
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i will be pleased if you share your thought on my doubt .
my doubt is why there is comma before and in option B as , and means there is an independent clause so what is the subject of that ,and after also why we do not have comma before involves ?

please explain
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Hi Option B is not correct. because it misses the comma. To be very sure, you should see Chris' explanation:

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i will be pleased if you share your thought on my doubt .
my doubt is why there is comma before and in option B as , and means there is an independent clause so what is the subject of that ,and after also why we do not have comma before involves ?

please explain
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Hi Option B is not correct. because it misses the comma. To be very sure, you should see Chris' explanation:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/calculus-a-subject-offered-to-high-school-students-planning-107277-20.html#p1105555

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hi,
thanks for the link, but still i do not understand this thing - Other options are missing subject at 2nd half- say choice B- "and is used in the fields of science and engineering" whats the subject before "is" ? its not Calculus here..when we join two independent clause we can use "," conjecture words between two independent clause.-which is missing in B C D.

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hi,
i will be pleased if you share your thought on my doubt .
my doubt is why there is comma before and in option B as , and means there is an independent clause so what is the subject of that ,and after also why we do not have comma before involves ?

please explain
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thanks for the link, but still i do not understand this thing - Other options are missing subject at 2nd half- say choice B- "and is used in the fields of science and engineering" whats the subject before "is" ? its not Calculus here..when we join two independent clause we can use "," conjecture words between two independent clause.-which is missing in B C D.

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Hi nks2611,

Full sentence with choice B with COMMA (college, involves)

Calculus, a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college, involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on limits, derivatives, integrals, and infinite series.

Modifier: “a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college” – this modifier modifies Calculus. This modifier only provides more information about calculus and is non-essential. So you can remove this modifier and then sentence becomes:

Calculus involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on limits, derivatives, integrals, and infinite series.

Structure is somewhat likes this:

Calculus involves X, and is used in Y, because it (calculus) focuses P, Q & R.

Two independent clauses are connected with co-coordinating conjunction (because). Correct usage.

Full sentence with choice B without COMMA (college involves)

Calculus, a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on limits, derivatives, integrals, and infinite series.

Subject (Calculus), Subject (a subject) + verb (involves and is used), coordinating conjunction (because) + subject (it) + verb (focuses)

Here you see the subject CALCULUS is left alone with no verb for it. So it is not a correct sentence.

This is why choice B without comma before involves is wrong. All other choices are wrong as you understood already.

Hope this helps. I Will be glad to help you further on this if required :)
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i will be pleased if you share your thought on my doubt .
my doubt is why there is comma before and in option B as , and means there is an independent clause so what is the subject of that ,and after also why we do not have comma before involves ?

please explain
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I agree with you. Ideally there should not be a comma before "and" because here "and" joins two verbs: "involves" and "is used", not two independent clauses.

Moreover as you correctly noticed, there should be a comma before "involves", because "a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college" is a non-essential modifier (for "calculus") that should have been separated by two commas.
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i will be pleased if you share your thought on my doubt .
my doubt is why there is comma before and in option B as , and means there is an independent clause so what is the subject of that ,and after also why we do not have comma before involves ?

please explain
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I agree with you. Ideally there should not be a comma before "and" because here "and" joins two verbs: "involves" and "is used", not two independent clauses.

Moreover as you correctly noticed, there should be a comma before "involves", because "a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college" is a non-essential modifier (for "calculus") that should have been separated by two commas.


thanks sayant for the reply , so eventually there should not be a comma before (and) , although i were very confused about this rule but now it seems that i am not right way . thanks again all
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The thumb rule about the use of the comma in compound sentences is:

When you have two full-fledged ICs and if you want to join them by a fanboy, then do use a comma before the fanboy. However, a comma is not necessary before the conjunction if the independent clause or second sentence does not have a subject

Examples with a comma - The visiting team tried all the tricks on the book, but it still lost the series.

Without a comma: The visiting team tried all the tricks on the book but still lost the series.

Both are okay.

However, look at the textual choice B.

(B) to attend college involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on

you have a comma before the fanboy but the second part has no subject. This is problematic.

Thus, one may see that the use of comma has a subtle role to play in the overall sentence structure.

B. to attend college involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on
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The thumb rule about the use of the comma in compound sentences is:

When you have two full-fledged ICs and if you want to join them by a fanboy, then do use a comma before the fanboy. However, a comma is not necessary before the conjunction if the independent clause or second sentence does not have a subject

Examples with a comma - The visiting team tried all the tricks on the book, but it still lost the series.

Without a comma: The visiting team tried all the tricks on the book but still lost the series.

Both are okay.

However, look at the textual choice B.

(B) to attend college involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on

you have a comma before the fanboy but the second part has no subject. This is problematic.

Thus, one may see that the use of comma has a subtle role to play in the overall sentence structure.

B. to attend college involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on



thank you very much Daagh , for the Emphatic explanation .
so finally there should be a comma if two ICs are added with FANBOYS if there is not any subject after FANBOYS then there should not be comma before usually .
am i right ? sir
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thanks Daagh, i appreciate that.
nevertheless i have come across another example after showing your post in this regard , https://gmatclub.com/forum/china-s-vast ... 37643.html , in this question i quickly eliminated option C , and chose A , although as NINJA explained it well but i want to know about your conviction , why C is right here not A and what should be the best .


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I would not rather subscribe to the OE. First, I do not think that A is that bad. It still makes a lot of sense to take China's as the referent for the pronoun 'its', both logically and structurally.

I would think that C contains an incomplete thought in that it is not making clear categorically whose interest is waning. It could be China's or it could be any other country's. The intended meaning is simply dangling as far as I see. C may be structurally ok but logically aberrant.


Probably, if choice A says, 'China's' in the place of 'its' or if they included the possessive, 'China's' before the second part in C, then the choices might have been airtight. If you get to the brass tacks, what is the great difference between the two anyway?

The take away is that in GMAT, the best topics should test and teach logic and structure together.
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Calculus, a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on limits, derivatives, integrals, and infinite series.

(A) to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on
(B) to attend college involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on
(C) to go to college involving the study of change, and is used in science and engineering fields, because it was focusing on
(D) to attend college that involves studying change, and is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on
(E) to attend college involving the study of change, which is now used in the science and engineering fields, focuses on

"involving" or "that involves" modifies college so incorrect.
Only B uses "involves", which correctly refers to calculus.
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Calculus, a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on limits, derivatives, integrals, and infinite series.

(A) to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on - college does not involve study of change, but calculus does
(B) to attend college involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on - correct
(C) to go to college involving the study of change, and is used in science and engineering fields, because it was focusing on - same as A
(D) to attend college that involves studying change, and is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on - same as A
(E) to attend college involving the study of change, which is now used in the science and engineering fields, focuses on - same as A
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IMO, this example takes us nowhere. Let us first of all decide whether the participle ‘involving’ or the verb ‘involves’ refer to Calculus or college. If it means to denote Calculus, then it should be separated from college by setting off parenthetically with commas after college and after change. Otherwise expressions ‘involving the study of change’ and ‘involves the study of change’ become essential participle or verb of the noun ‘college’ that is just before them. You will find all choices, A, B, C and D falling into this trap of improper punctuation and misplaced reference. Worse, D directly refers the subordinate verb ‘involves’ to College, a blatant error. E is terrible.
Nonetheless B is the obvious choice..


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Could you please explain the placement of comma before and in option B, when we separate clause with a "comma and" we need to have the independent clause in both sides.
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IMO, this example takes us nowhere. Let us first of all decide whether the participle ‘involving’ or the verb ‘involves’ refer to Calculus or college. If it means to denote Calculus, then it should be separated from college by setting off parenthetically with commas after college and after change. Otherwise expressions ‘involving the study of change’ and ‘involves the study of change’ become essential participle or verb of the noun ‘college’ that is just before them. You will find all choices, A, B, C and D falling into this trap of improper punctuation and misplaced reference. Worse, D directly refers the subordinate verb ‘involves’ to College, a blatant error. E is terrible.
Nonetheless B is the obvious choice..

sir i have a doubt why can't we say college involves study of changes. I think that also makes sense to me? Please explain? and that is why i fall into trap that all option except option b convey the same meaning
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Calculus, a subject offered to high school students planning to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on limits, derivatives, integrals, and infinite series.


(A) to attend college involving the study of change, is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on

(B) to attend college, involves the study of change, and is used in the fields of science and engineering, because it focuses on

(C) to go to college involving the study of change, and is used in science and engineering fields, because it was focusing on

(D) to attend college that involves studying change, and is used in the science and engineering fields, because it focuses on

(E) to attend college involving the study of change, which is now used in the science and engineering fields, focuses on

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