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# Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates

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02 Aug 2009, 13:08
HBS stated in the admissions page that they discourage TOEFL scores below 109, that is a lot...we are talking a score above 90% of the total score.

Are they flexible on this or in case I score less I should consider retaking TOEFL? I am concerned because that score is a big stretch and it is well above the minimum of other top schools (Stanford asks for 100)

I understand that their higher bar might be due to the nature of the case method, but nevertheless I find it stupid having to retake toefl for a couple points.

Any clue on how admissions sees the toefl score and how flexible they are?
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02 Aug 2009, 15:44
Question:

Can the additional information section (500 words) be used for an additional essay ? I've heard that people use it to allay any concerns about their candidacy but can it be used otherwise as well ?
a) the word limits on essay questions are very stringent and necessitate that you leave out big chunks of your life/accomplishments/etc
b) Stanford additional information section categorically states not to include essays.

Since there is no such restriction by HBS, I wonder...

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02 Aug 2009, 16:11
I really have no idea where to include the "optional essay". FYI, I believe it's 500 characters, not 500 words... ouch.
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02 Aug 2009, 19:16
Darn.

You are right. I stand corrected.

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04 Aug 2009, 15:17
mba12tech wrote:

- Out of approximately 9100 applications, HBS will interview 1800 "finalists". Your interviewer will have read EVERYTHING from your app, and your interview will be a 30-minute conversation where their goal is to determine whether or not they would like you to be their section-mate (if they were a student).

- "Let go of the burning desire to stand out ... many of our applicants have done ordinary things really well ..."

I was there at the panel discussion too. Few other things I got out of it:
- The mode of the experience distribution is 3 years
- Not to worry about the average profile. The class profile is something that falls out after the adcom reviews your full application -- they do not actively try to manage the profile to get people with a certain {GMAT / age / industry}. They're looking for you to prove leadership no matter what.

Oh, and also, I'm in for R1

Gluck everybody.
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04 Aug 2009, 21:31
Just wanted to say good luck to everybody applying this year!

Feel free to reach out to me if you have any specific questions.
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05 Aug 2009, 15:14
I'm considering applying in round 2. Not sure yet. I'm afraid my low GPA will kick me out right off the bat, but Harvard has been my dream school since I was a kid, and I'm a big fan of the case method.
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09 Aug 2009, 14:16
Count me in as well .. .you only live once ... might as well roll the die.
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Wharton Sept 2010 Interview Invite Oct 30, 2009 Waitlisted & Ding
Harvard Sept 2010 Ding without Interview
Ivey May 2010 Interview Invite Nov 23, 2009 Admit + 

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12 Aug 2009, 17:58
1st page updated
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12 Aug 2009, 23:49
I wanted to pick the brains of folks who applied last year to HBS , what are your thoughts about listing a personal achievement in the achievements essay. The personal achievement I have is something that has shaped my views about importance of different things in life. It demonstrates leadership and ability to cope with stress.
However, while talking to a few folks and a blog here and there, what i have got is that since its qualitative, and in a personal setting , it might not work for harvard. It depends on WHO reads the application and what views they hold.

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13 Aug 2009, 01:18
nutmba wrote:

I considered writing a personal anecdote as well ( learning what doesn't kill me will make me stronger etc...) but I had the same misgivings as you. I discarded it in favor of another anecdote from my professional life. Maybe you can find a way to show how the personal realization impacted you professionally? (BTW not an expert in any sense, just throwing ideas out).

I had a question regarding the recommendations. Apparently HBS requires 3 (was surprised to find this out). Is there any way to find out what the specific questions are? (I know HBS focuses on leadership but specific questions help in conversations with folks writing recommendations). I'm waiting to find out before I submit their emails so that I can talk to them first. Hopefully I haven't pushed this out too far.
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13 Aug 2009, 01:27
Deepauk wrote:
I had a question regarding the recommendations. Apparently HBS requires 3 (was surprised to find this out). Is there any way to find out what the specific questions are? (I know HBS focuses on leadership but specific questions help in conversations with folks writing recommendations). I'm waiting to find out before I submit their emails so that I can talk to them first. Hopefully I haven't pushed this out too far.

Here you go:

Recommender Questions for the Class of 2012
Recommendations must be completed online. The form includes the following three essay response questions, along with other types of questions.

Please comment on the context of your interaction with the applicant. How long have you known the applicant and in what connection? If applicable, briefly describe the applicant's role in your organization. (250-word limit)

Please describe the most important piece of constructive feedback you have given the applicant. Please detail the circumstances and the applicant's response. (250-word limit)

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13 Aug 2009, 15:24
Deepauk wrote:
I had a question regarding the recommendations. Apparently HBS requires 3 (was surprised to find this out). Is there any way to find out what the specific questions are? (I know HBS focuses on leadership but specific questions help in conversations with folks writing recommendations). I'm waiting to find out before I submit their emails so that I can talk to them first. Hopefully I haven't pushed this out too far.

Don't wanna be rude but I don't like your ignorance and lack of effort. You could have easily (10-20sec) find this info if only you had opened HBS Admissions website. And even easier (2-5 sec) if you had read this thread (i.e. see 1st post on 1st page).
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13 Aug 2009, 15:39
Military intel officer here. Please put me down for round 1.

garbus222 wrote:
Don't wanna be rude but I don't like your ignorance and lack of effort. You could have easily (10-20sec) find this info if only you had opened HBS Admissions website. And even easier (2-5 sec) if you had read this thread (i.e. see 1st post on 1st page).

I couldn't agree more.
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13 Aug 2009, 19:18
nutmba wrote:
I wanted to pick the brains of folks who applied last year to HBS , what are your thoughts about listing a personal achievement in the achievements essay. The personal achievement I have is something that has shaped my views about importance of different things in life. It demonstrates leadership and ability to cope with stress.
However, while talking to a few folks and a blog here and there, what i have got is that since its qualitative, and in a personal setting , it might not work for harvard. It depends on WHO reads the application and what views they hold.

I wrote about a personal accomplishment in my essay (and 2 professional ones), and it may just work for you as well! If it's a heart-wrenching story that is sure to draw at least a crocodile tear or two (maybe even real tears?) from the eyes of the heartless HBS Adcom, then you should write about it. Mine wasn't a tear-jerker, but I'll trade an admit for adcom tears any day.

Summary: Having two professional accomplishments and one personal accomplishment might break the monotony a little bit. You should go for it.

Disclaimer: The admissions committee at HBS are really nice folks, actually.
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14 Aug 2009, 07:58
garbus222 wrote:
Don't wanna be rude but I don't like your ignorance and lack of effort. You could have easily (10-20sec) find this info if only you had opened HBS Admissions website. And even easier (2-5 sec) if you had read this thread (i.e. see 1st post on 1st page).

I deserve that. It was an oversight on my part. I saw them below the essay questions on the website before nutmba replied. Apologies if I wasted anyone's time and thanks for pointing this out. It was one of those nervous applicant mistakes I hope I don't make again. (Maybe I'll use this in essay 2).

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14 Aug 2009, 08:50
Deepauk wrote:
garbus222 wrote:
Don't wanna be rude but I don't like your ignorance and lack of effort. You could have easily (10-20sec) find this info if only you had opened HBS Admissions website. And even easier (2-5 sec) if you had read this thread (i.e. see 1st post on 1st page).

I deserve that. It was an oversight on my part. I saw them below the essay questions on the website before nutmba replied. Apologies if I wasted anyone's time and thanks for pointing this out. It was one of those nervous applicant mistakes I hope I don't make again. (Maybe I'll use this in essay 2).

LOL!!!

Dude, it happens. The problem is that not all the schools publish their questions. I think Wharton doesn't publish them...I wish they did...
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14 Aug 2009, 12:15
nutmba wrote:
I wanted to pick the brains of folks who applied last year to HBS , what are your thoughts about listing a personal achievement in the achievements essay. The personal achievement I have is something that has shaped my views about importance of different things in life. It demonstrates leadership and ability to cope with stress.
However, while talking to a few folks and a blog here and there, what i have got is that since its qualitative, and in a personal setting , it might not work for harvard. It depends on WHO reads the application and what views they hold.

I followed Sandy's (and many other consultants') advice: 1 professional, 1 academic, 1 other (extracurricular mostly). I don't see major issue with personal accomplishment as long as it's distinct, important to ones development and shows leadership. I guess the leadership part is tricky when it comes to personal accomplishments... It's much easier to show leadership through professional/academic/extracurricular actions... and that's also probably the reason why people follow this pattern.

latammc wrote:
The problem is that not all the schools publish their questions. I think Wharton doesn't publish them...I wish they did...

Is it really an issue???... Can't you set up dummy account, register yourself as a recommender and receive Wharton's (or any other school's) questions?

Deepauk wrote:
I deserve that. It was an oversight on my part. I saw them below the essay questions on the website before nutmba replied. Apologies if I wasted anyone's time and thanks for pointing this out. It was one of those nervous applicant mistakes I hope I don't make again. (Maybe I'll use this in essay2).

Good reflection and no worries...

BTW, Roll call updated.
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14 Aug 2009, 12:33
Garbus,

I correct myself, they did publish them it was in the Application Instructions section of the application. Since I had read those beforehand I omitted that part and missed the Qs...

Haven't started my HBS app so far so nothing interesting to ask or to comment...hopefully in 2/3 weeks I will be full hands on...
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14 Aug 2009, 15:58
Thanks folks. your perspectives helped clarify this. Also, I strongly believe my personal achievement is important to me as a person and has to be shared. So its a go for now.
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