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All, I am planning to apply to Anderson this Fall and wanted to start a thread for everyone else out there with the same idea. I actually just got back from a visit last Thursday and had a fantastic time. I will post more in a follow up later on.

I hope with some help from everyone here we can have the best year for Anderson admits yet, and certainly better than the non-GMAT Club admit rate of 11%.

UCLA Total Stats:
Applicants:

Round 1
Submitted = 16
11 Interview Invites - 73.3%
Waitlists = 5
5 Unknown

nomsg7111 - Waitlisted 1/8 Withdrew for Ross
prospect - Waitlisted 1/8
rjacobs - Waitlisted 1/8
devansh_god - Waitlisted 1/8
Mim3 - Waitlisted 1/8

Unknown Still:
jb32 - Submitted 10/5
tarmac - Submitted 10/8
nutty2010 - Submitted 10/8, Interview Invite 10/16
tritium6 - Submitted 10/?
svarma0305 - Submitted 10/?

Round 1
Submitted = ??

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03 Feb 2009, 12:41
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Here is some fellowship information from the UCLA adcom:
For those who were not yet awarded a merit fellowship (i.e.
scholarship), please note that we make awards on a rolling basis
throughout the admissions season, depending on who else has been
admitted and who accepts our offers. We will let you know directly
if you get selected for a fellowship at any point.

We generally offer merit fellowships to the top third or so of the
incoming class, based on the overall strength of the applications in
contribution to the school, etc. Such students come here and enhance
the experience of us all.

Other sources of funding do exist, and we will keep admits updated on
developments in the outside private loan market. The team in the
Financial Aid office has more details, and you can learn more from
them after visiting their website at:
http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x2938.xml

Also, second-year fellowships are awarded based on contributions in
and out of the classroom during the first year. There are some
research- and teaching-assistantships which second-year students
often use to supplement their funding too. These positions are filled
by the professors after they have the chance to get to know the first-
year students on campus.

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09 Oct 2008, 10:45
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Travel09 wrote:
jb32 wrote:
Well, it's the optional essay and I have to essentially explain two failing grades in two seperate semesters. I used 132 words for the first grade and then 157 for the second and 38 to wrap it up = 327 total. The problem is that I have actual reasons around my grades that I need to explain.

I attended an info session at UCLA last week and adcom mentioned that exceeding the word limit by around 10% is fine. I'm not sure if she was joking when she mentioned that it's better to go over the word limit then to be under the limit by even few words.

So, exceeding the word count by 10% is fine for sure? Is this the total word count across all essays, or you can exceed by 10% each one?

I'll shoot for R2. I'm glad I won't be competing against you guys

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BTW: Anybody from San Diego here?

Yes.
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Hello folks! I visited the UCLA Fully Employed MBA (FEMBA) info session yesterday. I must say i am very impressed by a few things: 1) All courses are taught by the SAME professors that teach the full time courses. I know this is not always the case with other part time MBA programs. Even HASS has adjuncts and part time professors teach their Weekend and Evening MBA courses. 2) UCLA offers schedule options, including all day Saturday, weeknights, and combination of a weeknight and Saturday morning. 3) The cost is reasonable (\$30k per year for 3 years), especially if your employer will foot part of the bill. 4) As an alum you can take electives for life without paying the course fee (you must pay for books and parking); I think this is a wonderful idea....especially for a nerd like me! 5) Their global access program, its kind of like a thesis one has to do in a group, sounds great.....very practical. 6) They offer half courses in intensive week long, 3 hr a day, sessions.

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Waitlisted. Yawn....
As usual, the UCLA brilliant strategy and forseeing to improve yield seems to have led to admitting just a few people who are already committed elsewhere or do not have UCLA as their #1 choice, and waitlist a bigger portion.
On the other hand, it was my top choice and had I gotten admitted I probably would've committed quickly, but with this wl, not any more..

Congrats to the admits! I hope you don't waste it. My rant was based mostly on posts read on another forum.

Rjacobs, I seem to be following your steps ...which means next up is a ding from Stanford.
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chineseburned wrote:
Withdrew from the WL...this agonizing wait would just not be healthy...and since I'd not go there without a schollie, what's the point to play it nice and potentially waste an admit when someone else might need it desperately?

Good luck chineseburned - didn't know you got money from USC. Congrats!
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02 Jun 2008, 14:10
I was about to create this thread today as well. Count me in

By the way, they have a new Director of Admissions who started mid way through the 2008 application season. I really wonder how this will affect selectivity, as well as the essay questions this year.

UCLA's essay questions have historically remained very similar over the years. Additionally, I believe UCLA has historically had a higher admit rate in R2 than in R1 - which is sort of backwards. This may change.
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02 Jun 2008, 14:36
I'm not sure how this will change as I was not allowed to meet with anyone for a '1-on-1 counseling session' while I was there. She's from Wharton, so I am hoping the overall feel of the office will be more friendly and helpful.

My real questions are in regards to the expected changes in the curriculum for 2009. From the website, it looks like the following will be under evaluation "...pre-skilling, orientation, timing, sequence, number and content of core courses, start date of the quarter, and other developmental experiences that might add to the learning foundation of the MBA."

This could lead to some big changes, as one of the things I'm not crazy about is the October start date for classes. Anderson students start recruiting later than all of the other schools and then finish classes later than everyone else. One student told me he had to take a final during his internship because classes do not finish until the middle of June. Not the best thing if you are joining a formal internship program at a major bank or consulting firm.

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02 Jun 2008, 17:07
Good to see you guys being proactive. I will also be applying to Anderson in the fall. I tried to visit last April, but the admissions office was less than helpful (in late March, they informed me that they hadn't finalized their class visit schedules yet...). I'll be making a return trip in October (hopefully when I'm being interviewed early for USC-Marshall, hehe).

I'm going to entertainment marketing/consulting, so there's really no better place than LA.
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02 Jun 2008, 20:24
I'm seriously considering applying to UCLA. I just moved to Southern California, hopefully I will be able to do a school visit once classes start.
BTW: Anybody from San Diego here?

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03 Jun 2008, 06:57
Hey guys,
Count me in too. I'll be applying in fall 09.

Good to have this thread up and running. I was thinking of starting the same for the last 3 days, but held back, coz no admission info is available at this point of time.

Best of luck everybody..... May we all land into DBS (Dream Business School )
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03 Jun 2008, 12:52
Count me in. I'm a college senior though, so it will be an uphill battle.

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04 Jun 2008, 20:04
So I wanted to post my thoughts from my visit to UCLA last week. It was a great visit overall and UCLA is definitely near the top of my list.

I stayed with my girlfriends parents out in Temecula which is a 1.5 hour drive to Westwood on a normal day. With traffic on a weekday it is over 3 hours and bumper to bumper a large part of the way. Needless to say even leaving at 6:45 am, I was about a minute late to my Business Strategy class. Overall, the class was wonderful. We started off discussing a case about Walt Disney and basically the question was what would you divest if the year was 2000? Of course the groups were not allowed to use events that had transpired since then and it was great to hear groups justify their decisions. One of the students had worked as an Imagineer at Disney and could provide some great insights on the management style of one of the executives we discussed in class. I was really impressed at that point.

After class I had a meeting that I had pre-arranged with a student from the Finance Club. I gained some valuable insights on the Finance program at Anderson as well as some information about investment banking recruiting. Basically there are some great professors at Anderson, maybe not as many as at Wharton or Chicago, but some are really top of their field. Only about 45-60 students really want to do I-Banking each year out of 350 or so in the program, so the competition is a little less than other M7 schools. All of the major banks come to campus, roughly about 18-20 each year. They mostly recruit for the LA, SF, and NYC offices. Two things that I learned: first, GMAT matters only if it is below 700, otherwise it doesn't and two, UG GPA really only matters to top banks like Goldman and Lehman. If you have a strong MBA GPA in your first year, then UG GPA probably won't matter as much.

The Finance Club does a tremendous amount for students, including: arranging trips to NY and SF, interview prep by 2nd years, case study presentations by banks, and modeling workshops. Pretty standard at most top finance schools, but I was cool to see they offer their memebers a lot of services.

Another cool thing about UCLA is they allow you to take classes outside Anderson, including Law classes. One class that was offered last year as an elective was a 'Deal' class offered in partnership with the law school. All the class did was analyze past deals with the actual deal bankers and lawyers presenting the material. I thought this was really, really cool.

After lunch, I visited a 1st year core class, Managing & Leading Organizations. The professor really kept the class interesting during the lecture portion of the class. During my visit they discussed negotiation techniques, which I really enjoyed learning. I was impressed how Anderson teaches soft skills such as leadership and negotiation during the core classes. These are really valuable skills for luse ater in life. The professor left me with one piece of wisdom that I will share with you: "Never learn the cynical lesson when the outcome is not in your favor". I thought this was a great lesson for b-school applicants. Even if you don't get in this year, learn where you went wrong and come back stronger next year.

Overall, I thought Anderson was amazing. The facilities were top notch and overall UCLA is a beautiful campus!! I like how the business school is right on campus and doesn't feel isolated like at some other schools I have visited. The students seemed really bright and engaging. Several were tremendously helpful, although the admissions office lived up to its prior reputation. I went in to ask to speak with someone about the new curriculum changes the administration is currently discussing. I was politely told I could not have a 1-on-1 counseling session and was handed the UCLA guidebook instead. The student who helped me obviously had no idea about the new changes.

One final negative I heard from students was the start and end date of classes. Most b-schools start at the beginning of September and recruiting starts almost immediately, while Anderson starts in the beginning of October. This is a slight disadvantage in recruiting, although not that big of a deal. Most students at other schools have already had a full semester of classes by the time 1st year interviews start and students at Anderson have only had fall quarter. Also, Anderson ends classes in the middle of June, when most formal internship programs are already under way.

Hope this helps anyone thinking of applying. Let me know if I can answer any questions about Anderson (as if I'm some kind of expert ) or my provide any additional information about my experience.

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So I wanted to post my thoughts from my visit to UCLA last week. It was a great visit overall and UCLA is definitely near the top of my list.

I stayed with my girlfriends parents out in Temecula which is a 1.5 hour drive to Westwood on a normal day. With traffic on a weekday it is over 3 hours and bumper to bumper a large part of the way. Needless to say even leaving at 6:45 am, I was about a minute late to my Business Strategy class. Overall, the class was wonderful. We started off discussing a case about Walt Disney and basically the question was what would you divest if the year was 2000? Of course the groups were not allowed to use events that had transpired since then and it was great to hear groups justify their decisions. One of the students had worked as an Imagineer at Disney and could provide some great insights on the management style of one of the executives we discussed in class. I was really impressed at that point.

After class I had a meeting that I had pre-arranged with a student from the Finance Club. I gained some valuable insights on the Finance program at Anderson as well as some information about investment banking recruiting. Basically there are some great professors at Anderson, maybe not as many as at Wharton or Chicago, but some are really top of their field. Only about 45-60 students really want to do I-Banking each year out of 350 or so in the program, so the competition is a little less than other M7 schools. All of the major banks come to campus, roughly about 18-20 each year. They mostly recruit for the LA, SF, and NYC offices. Two things that I learned: first, GMAT matters only if it is below 700, otherwise it doesn't and two, UG GPA really only matters to top banks like Goldman and Lehman. If you have a strong MBA GPA in your first year, then UG GPA probably won't matter as much.

The Finance Club does a tremendous amount for students, including: arranging trips to NY and SF, interview prep by 2nd years, case study presentations by banks, and modeling workshops. Pretty standard at most top finance schools, but I was cool to see they offer their memebers a lot of services.

Another cool thing about UCLA is they allow you to take classes outside Anderson, including Law classes. One class that was offered last year as an elective was a 'Deal' class offered in partnership with the law school. All the class did was analyze past deals with the actual deal bankers and lawyers presenting the material. I thought this was really, really cool.

After lunch, I visited a 1st year core class, Managing & Leading Organizations. The professor really kept the class interesting during the lecture portion of the class. During my visit they discussed negotiation techniques, which I really enjoyed learning. I was impressed how Anderson teaches soft skills such as leadership and negotiation during the core classes. These are really valuable skills for luse ater in life. The professor left me with one piece of wisdom that I will share with you: "Never learn the cynical lesson when the outcome is not in your favor". I thought this was a great lesson for b-school applicants. Even if you don't get in this year, learn where you went wrong and come back stronger next year.

Overall, I thought Anderson was amazing. The facilities were top notch and overall UCLA is a beautiful campus!! I like how the business school is right on campus and doesn't feel isolated like at some other schools I have visited. The students seemed really bright and engaging. Several were tremendously helpful, although the admissions office lived up to its prior reputation. I went in to ask to speak with someone about the new curriculum changes the administration is currently discussing. I was politely told I could not have a 1-on-1 counseling session and was handed the UCLA guidebook instead. The student who helped me obviously had no idea about the new changes.

One final negative I heard from students was the start and end date of classes. Most b-schools start at the beginning of September and recruiting starts almost immediately, while Anderson starts in the beginning of October. This is a slight disadvantage in recruiting, although not that big of a deal. Most students at other schools have already had a full semester of classes by the time 1st year interviews start and students at Anderson have only had fall quarter. Also, Anderson ends classes in the middle of June, when most formal internship programs are already under way.

Hope this helps anyone thinking of applying. Let me know if I can answer any questions about Anderson (as if I'm some kind of expert ) or my provide any additional information about my experience.

I'm located in LA so I have visited a couple of times. I have similar thoughts to you. The school seems to be a gem for Finance/Investment Banking recruiting on the West Coast, and there are not very many students interested in it, so the competition is slim. The faculty and the facilities are both top notch - and it feels like a private school at a public school price. Unlike Columbia and Chicago, which are located in average at best neighborhoods in NYC/Chicago, Anderson is located smack dab in the best part of LA. There are internship opportunities abound within literally a 5 mile radius and the Westside is also the most happening area for 20/30 something young professionals.

One last thing to consider is that private equity/venture capital firms are plentiful on the West Coast and they are a major backbone of the entrepeneurial economy here. It seems very possible to break into a smaller PE/VC firm in Southern California out of Anderson - as it's the highest ranked school in SoCal. It is a step below Stanford for California PE/VC, but I would consider it to be on the same level as Haas.

I'll admit that one big weakness I see in Anderson is consulting recruiting. MBB seem to prefer Haas grads over Anderson, and a lot of the Anderson people interested in consulting seem to end up at 2nd tier firms. I have no interest in consulting - so this won't affect me in the slightest.

In general, I don't think you can go wrong with being a financier on the West Coast. Just looking at simple supply and demand - top investment bankers and financiers are almost a commodity in NYC. There are far fewer of them in California, and the booming economy here still warrants and will continue to warrant a lot of demand for their services.
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I'm located in LA so I have visited a couple of times. I have similar thoughts to you. The school seems to be a gem for Finance/Investment Banking recruiting on the West Coast, and there are not very many students interested in it, so the competition is slim. The faculty and the facilities are both top notch - and it feels like a private school at a public school price. Unlike Columbia and Chicago, which are located in average at best neighborhoods in NYC/Chicago, Anderson is located smack dab in the best part of LA. There are internship opportunities abound within literally a 5 mile radius and the Westside is also the most happening area for 20/30 something young professionals.

One last thing to consider is that private equity/venture capital firms are plentiful on the West Coast and they are a major backbone of the entrepeneurial economy here. It seems very possible to break into a smaller PE/VC firm in Southern California out of Anderson - as it's the highest ranked school in SoCal. It is a step below Stanford for California PE/VC, but I would consider it to be on the same level as Haas.

In general, I don't think you can go wrong with being a financier on the West Coast. Just looking at simple supply and demand - top investment bankers and financiers are almost a commodity in NYC. There are far fewer of them in California, and the booming economy here still warrants and will continue to warrant a lot of demand for their services.

I completely agree that the location is absolutely top-notch. I love Westwood and the West L.A. area. I think something can be said for being a financier on the West Coast, especially in Southern California. There are plenty of small PE/VC firms that might be willing to hire an Anderson MBA. It could be a great opportunity, but I really don't want to go that route just yet. I really want to go into banking and while I may do recruiting for a VC/PE, I think I have a lot to learn before I can make a real contribution to a VC/PE firm. One day after 3-5 years at a bulge bracket would be ideal for me.

One other concern of mine is the brand recognition of Anderson on the East Coast. I know Wharton, Chicago, Columbia, etc. have a better brand across the country than UCLA. If I want to stay on the West Coast, then UCLA is great, but if I want to go to NYC, then the brand isn't quite as strong. I'm not sure how this will ultimately play into my decision as one of my dreams has always been to work on Wall Street. Maybe not right out of b-school, but sometime down the road.

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I'm located in LA so I have visited a couple of times. I have similar thoughts to you. The school seems to be a gem for Finance/Investment Banking recruiting on the West Coast, and there are not very many students interested in it, so the competition is slim. The faculty and the facilities are both top notch - and it feels like a private school at a public school price. Unlike Columbia and Chicago, which are located in average at best neighborhoods in NYC/Chicago, Anderson is located smack dab in the best part of LA. There are internship opportunities abound within literally a 5 mile radius and the Westside is also the most happening area for 20/30 something young professionals.

One last thing to consider is that private equity/venture capital firms are plentiful on the West Coast and they are a major backbone of the entrepeneurial economy here. It seems very possible to break into a smaller PE/VC firm in Southern California out of Anderson - as it's the highest ranked school in SoCal. It is a step below Stanford for California PE/VC, but I would consider it to be on the same level as Haas.

In general, I don't think you can go wrong with being a financier on the West Coast. Just looking at simple supply and demand - top investment bankers and financiers are almost a commodity in NYC. There are far fewer of them in California, and the booming economy here still warrants and will continue to warrant a lot of demand for their services.

I completely agree that the location is absolutely top-notch. I love Westwood and the West L.A. area. I think something can be said for being a financier on the West Coast, especially in Southern California. There are plenty of small PE/VC firms that might be willing to hire an Anderson MBA. It could be a great opportunity, but I really don't want to go that route just yet. I really want to go into banking and while I may do recruiting for a VC/PE, I think I have a lot to learn before I can make a real contribution to a VC/PE firm. One day after 3-5 years at a bulge bracket would be ideal for me.

One other concern of mine is the brand recognition of Anderson on the East Coast. I know Wharton, Chicago, Columbia, etc. have a better brand across the country than UCLA. If I want to stay on the West Coast, then UCLA is great, but if I want to go to NYC, then the brand isn't quite as strong. I'm not sure how this will ultimately play into my decision as one of my dreams has always been to work on Wall Street. Maybe not right out of b-school, but sometime down the road.

I'm having trouble making the same decision that you are - i.e. should I go into banking first for a few years. It'll be something to think about and worry about in a years time I guess

As far as NYC placement - if you want to be a banker in NYC, you will have that opportunity from Anderson. Several students at Anderson told me that the BBs have far more demand than availability for spots in the West Coast offices. Once everyone comes to Anderson, they mostly want to stay in California. If you want to go to NYC, they will gladly accomodate you and place you out in NYC. NYC banking jobs are a dime a dozen compared to the relatively few number of spots in the California offices. You are correct that the brand is not as strong, and the Ivy League network dominates Wall Street and NYC, but you will certainly have the opportunity to recruit for NYC jobs and be placed there out of school if that is your desire.

Several experienced bankers say that if you want to make a career in investment banking at a bulge bracket, you would be wise to spend a few years in New York City and build your network/connections there before moving to a regional office. The main decision makers are in NYC, and it is good for them to know you well. Personally, if I attended Anderson, I would take this with a grain of salt as I don't think I'm cut out to be a career banker - I think it's just a great training ground for any finance career.
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Thanks for posting your UCLA visit recap! Lots of good information there.
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I went to UCLA undergrad and plan on applying for bschool. My time at UCLA weret the best years of my life (I was born and raised on the westside of LA), and I would not mind living in the Westwood bubble for another 2 years. I was actually supposed to go to the diversity workshop that they held last year, but I couldn't make it, so I can't quite speak of class/professor quaity. All I can comment on are the secondary aspects associated with the school. One thing to keep in mind...despite what everyone may tell you, if you go to UCLA, you don't need a car if you live in Westwood village. And if you do bring a car, be prepared to pay high parking fees, get numerous parking tickets, not find parking at all, or get a campus parking pass to a lot that is on the other side of the school (campus is huge). There is a good bus line that will take you directly to Santa Monica/Venice (beach, 3rd st promenade, venice boardwalk etc), and when it comes to partying on the weekends (there are only two bars in the village), you either stay local, take a cab, or get a friend to drive. Everything else you might need, groceries, movie theatre, restaurants, coffee, movie rentals, clothes...even electronics to furniture can be found within walking distance. Just something for you out of staters to keep in mind.

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06 Jun 2008, 19:26
From what I've been seeing, the Anderson network in San Francisco's investment banking community is really something to be reckoned with. I think you'll find just as many Anderson grads in SF I-Banking as you will M7 grads.
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06 Jun 2008, 22:27
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From what I've been seeing, the Anderson network in San Francisco's investment banking community is really something to be reckoned with. I think you'll find just as many Anderson grads in SF I-Banking as you will M7 grads.

I hear you, but as a career-switcher to banking I'm a little concerned about going to SF. I've been talking to several people about the value of the network you develop starting out in NY. I think if you went to a mid-tier like JMP or Thomas Weisel that is based in SF you'd be fine, but I'm wondering how great an advantage you would have at Goldman or Morgan Stanley being in NY over SF.

I love Anderson and would be very happy to get an acceptance there this fall, but after thinking about it a little deeper, I see why a lot of people have UCLA as a backup to the other top finance schools. It's not a knock against Anderson per se, but more a result of their alumni's geographic concentration on the West Coast. The brand just isn't as strong nationally and that is a fact. People always talk about the best school by ranking, but I think it's really more about the best brand. What school has that certain Je-ne-sais-quoi? What school makes everyone else on this board jealous when you get an admittance? That is the power of the brand.

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