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Citizen: Each year since 1970, a new record has been set for the number of murders committed in this city. This fact points to the decreasing ability of our law enforcement system to prevent violent crime.

City Official: You overlook the fact that the city's population has risen steadily since 1970. In fact, the number of murder victims per 100 people has actually fallen slightly in the city since 1970.

Which one of the following, if true, would most strongly counter the city official's response?

A. The incidence of fraud has greatly increased int he city since 1970.
B. The rate of murders in the city since 1970 decreased according to the age group of the victim, decreasing more for younger victims.
C. Murders and other violent crimes are more likely to be reported now than they were in 1970.
D. The number of law enforcement officials in the city has increased at a rate judged by city law enforcement experts to be sufficient to serve the city's increased population.
E. If the health care received by assault victims last year had been of the same quality as it was in 1970, the murder rate in the city last year would have turned out to be several times what it actually was.





Answer is E

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I understand that this is a repeat post. But I was not satisfied with the wrong answer explanations for this question, that is why I re-posted the same. I was confused between C and E. Chose C in the end.

I read in the official explanation that C is a strengthener of the city official's argument. Can anyone please explain how?


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Answer :E

A better health system clearly justifies fall in Death rate of murder victims and counters the City Official's argument well.


How does it justify a decline in death rate of murder victims? Murder victims are already dead. A good or bad health system would do the same good...

It might be E the answer, because the rest do not really fit and E is vague enought to somehow make it fit, I guess.. I have trouble understanding what E means.
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Citizen: Each year since 1970, a new record has been set for the number of murders committed in this city. This fact points to the decreasing ability of our law enforcement system to prevent violent crime.
Citizen seems to convey that the no of murders committed in this city is rising in number every year since 1970.

City Official: You overlook the fact that the city's population has risen steadily since 1970. In fact, the number of murder victims per 100 people has actually fallen slightly in the city since 1970.
(Official says that the no. seems to increase but actually the population is increasing and ratio or proportion of murders per 100 people is decreased a little bit or almost constant. This seems to counter the citizens argument but is flawed to some extent.)

Which one of the following, if true, would most strongly counter the city official's response?

A. The incidence of fraud has greatly increased in the city since 1970.
Fraud incidence is out of scope here.

B. The rate of murders in the city since 1970 decreased according to the age group of the victim, decreasing more for younger victims.
This does not weaken/strengthen the conclusion.

C. Murders and other violent crimes are more likely to be reported now than they were in 1970.
this means that they are getting reported now more than that in 1970. So it is not correct that they are increasing. Well this supports Official and weakens the citizen and is of no use.

D. The number of law enforcement officials in the city has increased at a rate judged by city law enforcement experts to be sufficient to serve the city's increased population.
increase in no of officials does not ensure anything to our argument. If not anything it says that support to people against crime has increased but this does not say either crime decreased/increased.

E. If the health care received by assault victims last year had been of the same quality as it was in 1970, the murder rate in the city last year would have turned out to be several times what it actually was.
this implies that murders per 100 did not increased much since health care facilities improved but not due to the ability of our law enforcement system to prevent violent crime as seemingly suggested by official.
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Citizen: Each year since 1970, a new record has been set for the number of murders committed in this city. This fact points to the decreasing ability of our law enforcement system to prevent violent crime.

City Official: You overlook the fact that the city's population has risen steadily since 1970. In fact, the number of murder victims per 100 people has actually fallen slightly in the city since 1970.

Which one of the following, if true, would most strongly counter the city official's response?

A. The incidence of fraud has greatly increased int he city since 1970.
B. The rate of murders in the city since 1970 decreased according to the age group of the victim, decreasing more for younger victims.
C. Murders and other violent crimes are more likely to be reported now than they were in 1970.
D. The number of law enforcement officials in the city has increased at a rate judged by city law enforcement experts to be sufficient to serve the city's increased population.
E. If the health care received by assault victims last year had been of the same quality as it was in 1970, the murder rate in the city last year would have turned out to be several times what it actually was.

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my initial idea: # of murders / person is higher, although the # / 100 is lower.
A - we are speaking about murders so this one is out of scope.
B - irrelevant..doesn't help to weaken the city official's claim.
C - this one actually supports the city official's claim. more are reported...but the #/100 has decreased..thus..fewer murders and other violent crimes are committed.
D - irrelevant.
E - AHA! so if not because of the medicine, the # of murders would be way more. clearly weakens city official's response.
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Very clever question to test whether test taker understand the concept of XperY in both direction

The CORRECT ANSWER is E.

The WRONG REVERSE ANSWER for hasty test taker is C

Question ask us to make the officers statement weak. We will make his conclusion weak and his statement will automatically become weak.
Officers conclusion :- The number of murder victims per 100 people has actually fallen slightly in the city since 1970.

See how cleverly the Officer has changed the original argument from VIOLENT CRIME to MURDER.
Murder is a violent crime and Almost murder, attempt to murder violence against someone making him almost dead is also violent crime.

Option E tell us :- In 1970 healthcare was bad. Even less injured assault victim would died easily. Last year Healthcare was good. Even highly injured, almost dead people were saved by doctors. Since they were saved therefore they were not murdered. Since they were not murdered, rate of murder came down compared to 1970. But this does not mean they were not subjected to extreme violence. It means lot of violent crimes are happening but due to doctors these violent crimes are not getting converted as murders.
How do we know this .. the statement says so :-
If the health care received by assault victims last year had been of the same quality as it was in 1970, the murder rate in the city last year would have turned out to be several times what it actually was.

Now lets look at option C which will fool a lot of people
C. Murders and other violent crimes are more likely to be reported now than they were in 1970.
In 1970 say, 100 murder took place 40 were reported. So actually more murder happened but police only thought less murders are happening because less complaint were filed
Last year :- 100 murder took place and 94 were reported. So police may think a lot of murder is happening but actually murder rate is same. Only now police know about it.

This fact does not most strongly counter the city official's response who thinks murder rate is less. This is actually the reverse of what the officer is saying.




Citizen: Each year since 1970, a new record has been set for the number of murders committed in this city. This fact points to the decreasing ability of our law enforcement system to prevent violent crime.

City Official: You overlook the fact that the city's population has risen steadily since 1970. In fact, the number of murder victims per 100 people has actually fallen slightly in the city since 1970.

Which one of the following, if true, would most strongly counter the city official's response?

A. The incidence of fraud has greatly increased int he city since 1970.
B. The rate of murders in the city since 1970 decreased according to the age group of the victim, decreasing more for younger victims.
C. Murders and other violent crimes are more likely to be reported now than they were in 1970.
D. The number of law enforcement officials in the city has increased at a rate judged by city law enforcement experts to be sufficient to serve the city's increased population.
E. If the health care received by assault victims last year had been of the same quality as it was in 1970, the murder rate in the city last year would have turned out to be several times what it actually was.
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Citizen: Each year since 1970, a new record has been set for the number of murders committed in this city. This fact points to the decreasing ability of our law enforcement system to prevent violent crime.

City Official: You overlook the fact that the city's population has risen steadily since 1970. In fact, the number of murder victims per 100 people has actually fallen slightly in the city since 1970.

Which one of the following, if true, would most strongly counter the city official's response?

A. The incidence of fraud has greatly increased int he city since 1970.
B. The rate of murders in the city since 1970 decreased according to the age group of the victim, decreasing more for younger victims.
C. Murders and other violent crimes are more likely to be reported now than they were in 1970.
D. The number of law enforcement officials in the city has increased at a rate judged by city law enforcement experts to be sufficient to serve the city's increased population.
E. If the health care received by assault victims last year had been of the same quality as it was in 1970, the murder rate in the city last year would have turned out to be several times what it actually was.

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In two-person stimuli is it ok to strengthen first person's response if we are asked to weaken the second person's response?

Also I had a tough time identifying conclusion for second person. Are not both statements facts in second person's comment?


I selected C since thought I had to strengthen conclusion that decreasing ability of our law enforcement system is responsible for more no of murders in the city.
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C. Murders and other violent crimes are more likely to be reported nowthan they were in 1970.

Let me know gaps in my understanding.
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Citizen: Each year since 1970, a new record has been set for the number of murders committed in this city. This fact points to the decreasing ability of our law enforcement system to prevent violent crime.

City Official: You overlook the fact that the city's population has risen steadily since 1970. In fact, the number of murder victims per 100 people has actually fallen slightly in the city since 1970.

Which one of the following, if true, would most strongly counter the city official's response?

A. The incidence of fraud has greatly increased int he city since 1970.
B. The rate of murders in the city since 1970 decreased according to the age group of the victim, decreasing more for younger victims.
C. Murders and other violent crimes are more likely to be reported now than they were in 1970.
D. The number of law enforcement officials in the city has increased at a rate judged by city law enforcement experts to be sufficient to serve the city's increased population.
E. If the health care received by assault victims last year had been of the same quality as it was in 1970, the murder rate in the city last year would have turned out to be several times what it actually was.

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In two-person stimuli is it ok to strengthen first person's response if we are asked to weaken the second person's response?

Also I had a tough time identifying conclusion for second person. Are not both statements facts in second person's comment?


I selected C since thought I had to strengthen conclusion that decreasing ability of our law enforcement system is responsible for more no of murders in the city.
Quote:
C. Murders and other violent crimes are more likely to be reported nowthan they were in 1970.

Let me know gaps in my understanding.


Note what the question asks: "...would most strongly counter the city official's response?"

City official says "the number of murder victims per 100 people has actually fallen slightly in the city since 1970."

How can you counter it?

By showing another relevant comparison between 1970 and today - If the health care received by assault victims last year had been of the same quality as it was in 1970, the murder rate in the city last year would have turned out to be several times what it actually was.
Something that says that guess what, since medical facilities are way better, your numbers are off.

There is no conclusion in city official's statements. He gives facts to counter the argument of the citizen. So we deduce that his stand is opposite to that of the citizen's.

(C) is incorrect. It supports the city official's stand. We need to instead counter his stand.
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