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What is wrong with option B?

2. Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor played often in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

and how is that option 3 is more precise than option 2....please clarify
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Would you please help me in understanding the fault in E? E looks fine and better than C at the same time.
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Would you please help me in understanding the fault in E? E looks fine and better than C at the same time.


Hey TaN1213 ,

E is a blunder here.

The rule of "neither X nor Y" is very strict. Meaning X and Y must be ||.

Now look at E.

It says

Classical guitar was neither prestigious(X) nor was often played(Y) in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, when he was won over by the sound of the relatively obscure instrument.

Here X is prestigious. It is a quality.

Y is 'was often played'. It describes the action.

Therefore, a quality cannot be parallel to an action. Hence, E is wrong.

Does that make sense?


Hello,
Thanks for taking up the post.
Would the following modified version of E be correct?
" Classical guitar was neither prestigious(X) nor often played(Y) in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, when he was won over by the sound of the relatively obscure instrument. "
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Thanks for taking up the post.
Would the following modified version of E be correct?
" Classical guitar was neither prestigious(X) nor often played(Y) in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, when he was won over by the sound of the relatively obscure instrument. "


Hey TaN1213 ,

Unfortunately No.

Again your X is a quality(prestigious) whereas Y is a verb (played). It will again be wrong.

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Thanks for taking up the post.
Would the following modified version of E be correct?
" Classical guitar was neither prestigious(X) nor often played(Y) in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, when he was won over by the sound of the relatively obscure instrument. "


Hey TaN1213 ,

Unfortunately No.

Again your X is a quality(prestigious) whereas Y is a verb (played). It will again be wrong.

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Hey,

I have a strong feeling that "often played" can work as adjective in much the same way as can 'prestigious' . Are you absolutely sure that this version is wrong or we both can get our doubt clarified further?

Example: The often played game of Quidditch was soon banned in Hogswartz after the death of Dumbledore. ---> acts as adjective.

Had Y been "played often", I would have agreed with your reasoning that Y is an action.
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I have a strong feeling that "often played" can work as adjective in much the same way as can 'prestigious' as an adjective. Are you absolutely sure that this version is wrong or we both can get our doubt clarified further?


Hey TaN1213 ,

You made me think for a second but yes I have a solid reason to prove my point. :)

Do you know once outside vs twice inside rules? If not, check them out here: https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-para ... ce-inside/

Now, if you look from that stand point, you did nothing but moved the original option E from 'Twice Inside' to 'Once Outside'

i.e. You converted "was prestigious nor was played" to "was prestigious nor played". This doesn't change the meaning of the sentence.

So, technically option E is still conveying:

1. It was prestigious
2. It was often played.

Regarding the example you gave, you are absolutely correct but that isn't applicable here.

Does that make sense?

Yeah that version of E would still be wrong. I figured out the error. 'often played' is not used as adjective in this case.
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Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

What is getting modified by having been in the sentence.
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How can everyone overlook one problem in "C"

c. Classical guitar was not prestigious and was not often played in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, after he was won over by the sound despite the instrument's relative obscurity.

What sound ? it should have been instruments sounds ? or is it "despite the instrument's relative obscurity" is modifying sound ?
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This is just a good example of parallelism

Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

1. Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

2. Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor played often in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

3. Classical guitar was not prestigious and was not often played in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, after he was won over by the sound despite the instrument's relative obscurity.

4. Classical guitar did not have prestige nor was it performed often in concert halls until its revival by Andres Segovia, who in the mid-twentieth century was won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

5. Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, when he was won over by the sound of the relatively obscure instrument.



Neither was X , nor was Y
Or was neither X ,nor Y
Were correct formats so option A ,B,E discarded

Option D uses nor which must be followed by independent clause
,Nor was it so this discard D

Left with option C which is correct .

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[quote="swatirpr"]Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

(A) Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

Option A is wrong because :- was neither X nor was Y " is not parallel. After "nor" helping verb "was" is there. But after "neither " no helping verb "was" is there. Parallelism is violated. So option A is incorrect.

(B) Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor played often in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.
Option B is wrong because "its" is ambiguous . "its" can refer to either sound or guitar.


(C) Classical guitar was not prestigious and was not often played in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, after he was won over by the sound despite the instrument's relative obscurity.
Option C is correct.

(D) Classical guitar did not have prestige nor was it performed often in concert halls until its revival by Andres Segovia, who in the mid-twentieth century was won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.
Option D is wrong
because :- "its" is ambiguous . "its" can refer to either sound or guitar.
(E) Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, when he was won over by the sound of the relatively obscure instrument.

Same reason for A. After "neither" no verb is there but after "nor" , "was" is there. So parallelism is not maintained.

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Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

(A) Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

Option A is wrong because :- was neither X nor was Y " is not parallel. After "nor" helping verb "was" is there. But after "neither " no helping verb "was" is there. Parallelism is violated. So option A is incorrect.

(B) Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor played often in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.
Option B is wrong because "its" is ambiguous . "its" can refer to either sound or guitar.


(C) Classical guitar was not prestigious and was not often played in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, after he was won over by the sound despite the instrument's relative obscurity.
Option C is correct.

(D) Classical guitar did not have prestige nor was it performed often in concert halls until its revival by Andres Segovia, who in the mid-twentieth century was won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.
Option D is wrong
because :- "its" is ambiguous . "its" can refer to either sound or guitar.
(E) Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, when he was won over by the sound of the relatively obscure instrument.

Same reason for A. After "neither" no verb is there but after "nor" , "was" is there. So parallelism is not maintained.

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The point in time that is given should be the "time of revival of the guitar".
Option (D) is incorrect because it seems to say that mid-twentieth century was the time when Andres was won over by the instrument's sound. This just doesn't make sense.

What we expect is:
The guitar was not A and not B until Andres revived it in mid twentieth century.

not

The guitar was not A and not B until its revival by Andres who was won over in mid twentieth century.
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Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

(A) Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.

Option A is wrong because :- was neither X nor was Y " is not parallel. After "nor" helping verb "was" is there. But after "neither " no helping verb "was" is there. Parallelism is violated. So option A is incorrect.

(B) Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor played often in concert halls until it was revived by Andres Segovia in the mid-twentieth century, having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.
Option B is wrong because "its" is ambiguous . "its" can refer to either sound or guitar.


(C) Classical guitar was not prestigious and was not often played in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, after he was won over by the sound despite the instrument's relative obscurity.
Option C is correct.

(D) Classical guitar did not have prestige nor was it performed often in concert halls until its revival by Andres Segovia, who in the mid-twentieth century was won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity.
Option D is wrong
because :- "its" is ambiguous . "its" can refer to either sound or guitar.
(E) Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor was often played in concert halls until Andres Segovia revived it in the mid-twentieth century, when he was won over by the sound of the relatively obscure instrument.

Same reason for A. After "neither" no verb is there but after "nor" , "was" is there. So parallelism is not maintained.

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The point in time that is given should be the "time of revival of the guitar".
Option (D) is incorrect because it seems to say that mid-twentieth century was the time when Andres was won over by the instrument's sound. This just doesn't make sense.

What we expect is:
The guitar was not A and not B until Andres revived it in mid twentieth century.

not

The guitar was not A and not B until its revival by Andres who was won over in mid twentieth century.


Yes...That is the meaning which was conveyed in the original sentence.... Thanks VeritasKarishma
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Hello,

I am struggling why there is a modifier problem in A and B. Couldn't "having been won over by the instrument's sound despite its relative obscurity" modify the whole previous clause by describing why Andres Segovia revived classical guitar?
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I have a Query, in "C", the "sound" is of what is not given, however in all other choices Sound is clearly specifically stated as Instrument's sound or sound of instrument. Can this be basis for elimination ? under this circumstance, will you consider this to be a good question ? (I'm not doubting)


further, "E" can be eliminated easily, as Despite is missing. "Won over despite instrument is obscure." this is needed hence can be eliminated.
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The participle modifier "having been" modifies the subject of the preceding clause. In this case - the guitar.
Classical guitar , having been won over by the instrument... obviously won't make sense when interpreted under the grammatically required interpretation.

If Andres were the subject of the preceding clause then we may be able to slot him in and have the sentence make sense still.
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The participle modifier "having been" modifies the subject of the preceding clause. In this case - the guitar.
Classical guitar , having been won over by the instrument... obviously won't make sense when interpreted under the grammatically required interpretation.

If Andres were the subject of the preceding clause then we may be able to slot him in and have the sentence make sense still.



Hi . Where can i read more about this ' having been ' modifies subject of preceding clause. V-ing preceded by comma shows results. Please share your thoughts.
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The participle modifier "having been" modifies the subject of the preceding clause. In this case - the guitar.
Classical guitar , having been won over by the instrument... obviously won't make sense when interpreted under the grammatically required interpretation.

If Andres were the subject of the preceding clause then we may be able to slot him in and have the sentence make sense still.



Hi . Where can i read more about this ' having been ' modifies subject of preceding clause. V-ing preceded by comma shows results. Please share your thoughts.


Participial (ING) modifiers generally modify the preceding clause if they are separated by a comma. If they are not separated by a comma they are typically used as either a verb (when paired with a form of be - is/was/am etc.) e.g. I am swimming or as an adjective e.g. the running boy.
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dcummins wrote:
The participle modifier "having been" modifies the subject of the preceding clause. In this case - the guitar.
Classical guitar , having been won over by the instrument... obviously won't make sense when interpreted under the grammatically required interpretation.

If Andres were the subject of the preceding clause then we may be able to slot him in and have the sentence make sense still.



Hi . Where can i read more about this ' having been ' modifies subject of preceding clause. V-ing preceded by comma shows results. Please share your thoughts.


Participial (ING) modifiers generally modify the preceding clause if they are separated by a comma. If they are not separated by a comma they are typically used as either a verb (when paired with a form of be - is/was/am etc.) e.g. I am swimming or as an adjective e.g. the running boy.

But in choice B we have a comma as a separator so how is ING modifier modifying the subject guitar? In my opinion , at best it can modify the verb revival.


generis Kindly help with this one. How to eliminate B.
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Is the neither formation is right in option E?I eliminated option E because of that.Otherwise E looks ok.


No, the neither formation is not correct in option E. It violates parallelism.
According to E, classical guitar was neither X nor was Y....

The 'was' before Y is problematic.

If the sentence started with 'Classical guitar was neither prestigious nor played often in concert halls......', then parallelism would have been maintained and it would have been okay.
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