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more expensive equipment when the economy is strong than when it is
weak. Hill and Dale is a business that sells high-quality, expensive camping
and hiking equipment in Boravia. Although all the signs are that Boravia’s
economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers
of the business do not expect a substantial increase in sales.
Which of the following, if true, would provide the strongest
justification for the managers’ judgment?
A. A significant proportion of Hill and Dale’s sales are made to
customers who enter the store in order to buy one particular
item but, once there, find other items to buy as well.
B. In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might
otherwise go camping tend to take vacations overseas.
C. The economic upturn is likely to allow Boravia’s national
parks, where most of the camping and hiking is
done, to receive extra funding to improve their visitor facilities.
D. Advances in materials technology have led to the
development of hiking and camping equipment that
is more comfortable and lightweight than before.
E. Many people in Boravia not only are committed to
preserving the country’s wilderness areas but also
are interested in spending some time in them.
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28 Apr 2008, 16:50
B sounds the best to me. No increase in people camping = no increase in the need for camping equipment.
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28 Apr 2008, 17:08
Argument: Boravia’s Consumers buy high quality and high priced recreational equipment when doing fine. The economy is expected to perform well but the sale of recreational equipment is not expected to increase substantially.

A. A significant proportion of Hill and Dale’s sales are made to customers who enter the store in order to buy one particular item but, once there, find other items to buy as well. [ May be true but doesn’t help the conclusion – eliminate it]

B. In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might otherwise go camping tend to take vacations overseas. [Hold it – this clearly explains as of why there won’t be substantial growth]

C. The economic upturn is likely to allow Boravia’s national parks, where most of the camping and hiking is done, to receive extra funding to improve their visitor facilities. [This weakens the Conclusion – eliminate it]

D. Advances in materials technology have led to the development of hiking and camping equipment that is more comfortable and lightweight than before. [True, but doesn’t aid the conclusion – eliminate it]

E. Many people in Boravia not only are committed to preserving the country’s wilderness areas but also are interested in spending some time in them. [Weaken the conclusion – eliminate it]

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28 Apr 2008, 18:17
I think its B, its really between B and C. I'll explain further if B is the OA.
saravalli wrote:
Consumers planning to buy recreational equipment tend to buy higher quality, more expensive equipment when the economy is strong than when it is weak. Hill and Dale is a business that sells high-quality, expensive camping and hiking equipment in Boravia. Although all the signs are that Boravia’s economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers of the business do not expect a substantial increase in sales.

Which of the following, if true, would provide the strongest justification for the managers’ judgment?
A. A significant proportion of Hill and Dale’s sales are made to customers who enter the store in order to buy one particular item but, once there, find other items to buy as well.
B. In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might otherwise go camping tend to take vacations overseas.
C. The economic upturn is likely to allow Boravia’s national parks, where most of the camping and hiking is done, to receive extra funding to improve their visitor facilities.
D. Advances in materials technology have led to the development of hiking and camping equipment that is more comfortable and lightweight than before.
E. Many people in Boravia not only are committed to preserving the country’s wilderness areas but also are interested in spending some time in them.
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28 Apr 2008, 20:27
saravalli wrote:
more expensive equipment when the economy is strong than when it is
weak. Hill and Dale is a business that sells high-quality, expensive camping
and hiking equipment in Boravia. Although all the signs are that Boravia’s
economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers
of the business do not expect a substantial increase in sales.
Which of the following, if true, would provide the strongest
justification for the managers’ judgment?
A. A significant proportion of Hill and Dale’s sales are made to
customers who enter the store in order to buy one particular
item but, once there, find other items to buy as well.
B. In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might
otherwise go camping tend to take vacations overseas.
C. The economic upturn is likely to allow Boravia’s national
parks, where most of the camping and hiking is
done, to receive extra funding to improve their visitor facilities.
D. Advances in materials technology have led to the
development of hiking and camping equipment that
is more comfortable and lightweight than before.
E. Many people in Boravia not only are committed to
preserving the country’s wilderness areas but also
are interested in spending some time in them.

B too. I feel that this is the only one that is relevant.
D & E are clearly irrelevant. A is also irrelevant as it describes the behavior of buyers unrelated to the strength of the economy.

In C, the extra fundings and all this does the opposite. Improved facility should attract more people; hence, higher businesses, not lower!
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28 Apr 2008, 20:36
saravalli wrote:
more expensive equipment when the economy is strong than when it is
weak. Hill and Dale is a business that sells high-quality, expensive camping
and hiking equipment in Boravia. Although all the signs are that Boravia’s
economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers
of the business do not expect a substantial increase in sales.
Which of the following, if true, would provide the strongest
justification for the managers’ judgment?
A. A significant proportion of Hill and Dale’s sales are made to
customers who enter the store in order to buy one particular
item but, once there, find other items to buy as well.
B. In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might
otherwise go camping tend to take vacations overseas.
C. The economic upturn is likely to allow Boravia’s national
parks, where most of the camping and hiking is
done
, to receive extra funding to improve their visitor facilities.
D. Advances in materials technology have led to the
development of hiking and camping equipment that
is more comfortable and lightweight than before.
E. Many people in Boravia not only are committed to
preserving the country’s wilderness areas but also
are interested in spending some time in them.

C

Argument comes from a generalization that "the increase in sales of high-quality, expensive...equipment if the economy goes up" to a specific case that Hill and Dale in Boravia will NOT be expected to get that increase, although the economy upward"

Do you see the flaw of this argument? I think if you omit "NOT", you will more likely to recognize this error. "NOT" here is only an outside in man that make us confused. As far as I concerned, this error is shift time error. That is,

[excluding NOT case]
author assumes that what happened already will be the same in the future (the increase in sale of Hill and Dale will increase if the economy go up). So in order to weaken this argument C point out that the sale does not increase. Just rephrase C to this point.

[including NOT]- the case of this argument- C strengthen the argument [with NOT] by saying that {yes, the sale does not trully increase}, just rephrase C to this point.
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30 Apr 2008, 11:07
sondenso wrote:
saravalli wrote:
more expensive equipment when the economy is strong than when it is
weak. Hill and Dale is a business that sells high-quality, expensive camping
and hiking equipment in Boravia. Although all the signs are that Boravia’s
economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers
of the business do not expect a substantial increase in sales.
Which of the following, if true, would provide the strongest
justification for the managers’ judgment?
A. A significant proportion of Hill and Dale’s sales are made to
customers who enter the store in order to buy one particular
item but, once there, find other items to buy as well.
B. In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might
otherwise go camping tend to take vacations overseas.
C. The economic upturn is likely to allow Boravia’s national
parks, where most of the camping and hiking is
done
, to receive extra funding to improve their visitor facilities.
D. Advances in materials technology have led to the
development of hiking and camping equipment that
is more comfortable and lightweight than before.
E. Many people in Boravia not only are committed to
preserving the country’s wilderness areas but also
are interested in spending some time in them.

C

Argument comes from a generalization that "the increase in sales of high-quality, expensive...equipment if the economy goes up" to a specific case that Hill and Dale in Boravia will NOT be expected to get that increase, although the economy upward"

Do you see the flaw of this argument? I think if you omit "NOT", you will more likely to recognize this error. "NOT" here is only an outside in man that make us confused. As far as I concerned, this error is shift time error. That is,

[excluding NOT case]
author assumes that what happened already will be the same in the future (the increase in sale of Hill and Dale will increase if the economy go up). So in order to weaken this argument C point out that the sale does not increase. Just rephrase C to this point.

[including NOT]- the case of this argument- C strengthen the argument [with NOT] by saying that {yes, the sale does not trully increase}, just rephrase C to this point.

I'm confused to what your try to explain.

My logic:

When economy goes up, people who camp buy more expensive equipment. Hill and Dale sell high quality equipment in Borivia and the economy is going up. Therefore Hill and Dale should sell more equipment. The manager howevers don't expect an increase in sales. Pick the answer that would account for why the sales should not go up.

A. Irrelevant

B. In Boravia when the economy is strong campers instead go on other trips and therefore don't need to buy supplies so sales wont go up. Correct.

C. Good econmy = better facilities. More reasons for people to camp. Sales should go up.

D. Hikinig equipment is more comfortable and lightweight. Sales should go up.

E. People are commited to camping. Sales should go up.

Only B gives a reason why the sales should not go up.
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30 Apr 2008, 11:44
saravalli wrote:
more expensive equipment when the economy is strong than when it is
weak. Hill and Dale is a business that sells high-quality, expensive camping
and hiking equipment in Boravia. Although all the signs are that Boravia’s
economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers
of the business do not expect a substantial increase in sales.
Which of the following, if true, would provide the strongest
justification for the managers’ judgment?

A. A significant proportion of Hill and Dale’s sales are made to
customers who enter the store in order to buy one particular
item but, once there, find other items to buy as well.
B. In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might
otherwise go camping tend to take vacations overseas.
C. The economic upturn is likely to allow Boravia’s national
parks, where most of the camping and hiking is
done, to receive extra funding to improve their visitor facilities.
D. Advances in materials technology have led to the
development of hiking and camping equipment that
is more comfortable and lightweight than before.
E. Many people in Boravia not only are committed to
preserving the country’s wilderness areas but also
are interested in spending some time in them.

I was between B & C as possible answers.

I choose B.

C seems to be more along the lines of correct if Hill & Dale were to sell similar items to those at recreation parks, and recreation parks do not have hiking and camping equipment.
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11 May 2008, 13:50
Guys very sorry to post OA so late..
I too chose B.
OA is C.
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11 May 2008, 19:32
gixxer1000 wrote:
I'm confused to what your try to explain

I try this way: I rephrase the original question so that you may agree with me!

Origin:
Although all the signs are that Boravia’s economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers of the business do not expect a substantial increase in sales.

Which of the following, if true, would provide the strongest
justification
for the managers’ judgment?

I rephrase:
Although all the signs are that Boravia’s economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers of the business do expect a substantial increase in sales.

Which of the following, if true, would provide the weaken
justification for the managers’ judgment?
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11 May 2008, 19:44
sondenso wrote:
gixxer1000 wrote:
I'm confused to what your try to explain

I try this way: I rephrase the original question so that you may agree with me!

Origin:
Although all the signs are that Boravia’s economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers of the business do not expect a substantial increase in sales.

Which of the following, if true, would provide the strongest
justification
for the managers’ judgment?

I rephrase:
Although all the signs are that Boravia’s economy is now entering a period of sustained strength, the managers of the business do expect a substantial increase in sales.

Which of the following, if true, would provide the weaken
justification for the managers’ judgment?

The problem is that in your example you changed it to where the managers EXPECT substantial increases in sales. Then you are choosing the answer that weakens that. So to paraphrase "managers expect sales to go up. Choose the answer that shows sales will go down."

Answer C however provides evidence that sales should go up.

A. Irrelevant

B. Sales should go down.

C. Sales should go up.

D. Sales should go up.

E. Sales should go up.

C, D, and E cant be the answer because they all indicate that sales should go in the same direction. So even if C was correct, D and E would have to be correct as well. The only answer that indicates sales should go in a different direction is B.

I think this is a case where the OA is wrong.

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11 May 2008, 20:11
gixxer1000 wrote:
Answer C however provides evidence that sales should go up

C. The economic upturn is likely to allow Boravia’s national
parks, where most of the camping and hiking is
done
, to receive extra funding to improve their visitor facilities

One more time, I would like to highligh the clue. And I think LSAT CR is more subtle, sensitive than Gmatprep CR. It requires a high skill that I lack, honeshly!

The economy growing helps give National Park funding to improve facilities, in which "MOST OF THE CAMPING AND HIKING IS DONE". You see, the customers do not necessarily buy camping and hiking equipment any more.
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12 May 2008, 06:31
sondenso wrote:
The economy growing helps give National Park funding to improve facilities, in which "MOST OF THE CAMPING AND HIKING IS DONE". You see, the customers do not necessarily buy camping and hiking equipment any more.

I seem to be missing the logic.

If you improve the facilites where "MOST OF THE CAMPING AND HIKING IS DONE", then this provides more incentive to go hiking and should increase demand and sales. The only way I could see that this would reduce sales is if they closed the facilites to renovate. To me nothing in this indicates that facilites would be closed.
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12 May 2008, 07:30
Yeah its too subjective, who knows what the test writer was thinking. A poor Q in my opinion - but one that would turn up in the 700+ bin in the real GMAT
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12 May 2008, 08:51
bsd_lover wrote:
Yeah its too subjective, who knows what the test writer was thinking. A poor Q in my opinion - but one that would turn up in the 700+ bin in the real GMAT

The other problem I have is that B also provides a reason for decreased sales because they will go on vacation instead of camping.

If that is the case then C and B both decrease sales. It is my understanding that on the GMAT there cannot be answers where one is more right than the other.

Ex. Which plan decreases sales?

A. decreases sales 10%

b. decreases sales 20%
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12 May 2008, 11:22
C does not make any sense at all.
I believe B is right. Any way we can find out if the OA is wrong?
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12 May 2008, 11:44
I don't agree with C, C supports and strengthens the business.

Economy is strong and the managers still don't see the growth. That means the folks who would go camping are NOT camping and this is clear B.

Where is the question from?
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12 May 2008, 18:32
gixxer1000 wrote:
bsd_lover wrote:
Yeah its too subjective, who knows what the test writer was thinking. A poor Q in my opinion - but one that would turn up in the 700+ bin in the real GMAT

The other problem I have is that B also provides a reason for decreased sales because they will go on vacation instead of camping.

If that is the case then C and B both decrease sales. It is my understanding that on the GMAT there cannot be answers where one is more right than the other.

Ex. Which plan decreases sales?

A. decreases sales 10%

b. decreases sales 20%

RyanDe680 wrote:
B. In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might
otherwise go camping tend to take vacations overseas

"otherwise" in B is "inside-out" man. This adv helps add the opposite of the meaning to B.

1. WITHOUT "OTHERWISE"
In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might go camping tend to take vacations.

2. WITH "OTHERWISE"

In Boravia when the economy is strong, those who might OTHERWISE go camping tend to take vacations.

prasannar wrote:
Where is the question from?

From Test Set if I am correctly remembering!
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