It is currently 18 Nov 2017, 05:31

### GMAT Club Daily Prep

#### Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

# Events & Promotions

###### Events & Promotions in June
Open Detailed Calendar

# m15q19: (6, 2) and (0, 6) are the endpoints of the diagonal

Author Message
Manager
Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 205

Kudos [?]: 71 [0], given: 0

### Show Tags

29 Jul 2008, 04:46
Its a diagonal of a square.

I really doubt it is a gmat level prob. The only way i can think of solving it ...

1). Slope of given diagonal (call it d1) is -2/3. Hence slope of other diagonal (call it d2) is 3/2.
2). Use 3/2 to find the equation of d2. (it comes out to be 3x-2y-1=0).
2). The midpoint of the d1 is (3,4). This should also be the midpoint of d2.
3). Length of the d1 = length of d2 = 2 * (13^0.5) call it D.

Therefore you need two points at distance D from (3,4) on the line d2. This involves use of sin and cos functions on argument z, where tan(z)=slope of d2=3/2.
Had the angle z been 30 or 60 or 0 degrees, it would have been fairly simple, but with tan(z)=3/2.

The points would be ( 3+D cos(z), 4+D sin(z) ) and ( 3-D cos(z), 4-D sin(z) ). Find the distance of these from the origin to get your answer.

Hope I am not missing something very simple...

Last edited by bhushangiri on 29 Jul 2008, 05:03, edited 1 time in total.

Kudos [?]: 71 [0], given: 0

Manager
Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 205

Kudos [?]: 71 [0], given: 0

### Show Tags

29 Jul 2008, 05:11
Yup.. Check out the solution by ian stewart in the thread posted by Durgesh. Neat solution.

I quote IanStewart here..
IanStewart wrote:
".......We have two endpoints of a diagonal of a square. We can use the following:

-the midpoint of one diagonal is the midpoint of the other diagonal;
-the diagonals are perpendicular.

If (0,6) and (6,2) are endpoints, (3,4) is the midpoint.

From (0,6) to (3,4), we go right 3 and down 2; that is, we increase x by 3 and decrease y by 2: the slope is -2/3. Consider the perpendicular diagonal- its slope is the negative reciprocal, i.e. 3/2. From (3,4), on a perpendicular line, to find a point the same distance from (3,4) as (0,6) is, we can decrease x by 2 and decrease y by 3, or we can increase x by 2 and increase y by 3. The endpoints of the other diagonal are (1,1) and (5,7).

The distance from (0,0) to (1,1) is sqrt(2). "

Kudos [?]: 71 [0], given: 0

Director
Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Posts: 782

Kudos [?]: 246 [0], given: 0

Re: solve in 2 min... [#permalink]

### Show Tags

27 Aug 2008, 21:26
Guessing C, took too long to solve until recall the formula for finding the distance between 2 points.

$$sqrt{(x1-x2)^2 + (y1-y2)^2}$$

so the length of the diag is $$sqrt{52}$$

the diag is also $$X sqrt{52}$$, so one side is X, and X = $$sqrt{26}$$, which is about 5

guessing the closest vertex to the origin is at point (1,1), the diagonal of that square is $$1sqrt{2}$$

Kudos [?]: 246 [0], given: 0

Manager
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
Posts: 155

Kudos [?]: 84 [0], given: 0

Re: solve in 2 min... [#permalink]

### Show Tags

28 Aug 2008, 15:51
x2suresh wrote:
arjtryarjtry wrote:
On the coordinate plane (6, 2) and (0, 6) are the endpoints of the diagonal of a square. What is the distance between point (0, 0) and the closest vertex of the square?

* {1}/sqrt{2}
* 1
* sqrt{2}
* [sqrt{3}
* 2/sqrt{3}

shortest and fastest way to solve this ????

mention the time taken also

better way to solve this by using diagram.

mid point of (0,6) and (6,2) is .. (3,4) and slope is -2/3
slope of perpendicular line passing through (3,4 ) 3/2 .=y2-y1/x2-x1
we can find two vertices by decreasing (or increasing) x by 2 and y by 3
other two points are (1,1) and (5,7)

(1,1) is nearest point to (0,0) and distince is sqrt(2).

I took 90 secs .

Suresh ..You got a solution for every problem..
are you a mathematician .??..
man...no kidding..
That is wonderful...I did not think it can be done that way...that is completely new approach for me
I learned something..thanks buddy

Kudos [?]: 84 [0], given: 0

Intern
Joined: 10 Sep 2008
Posts: 36

Kudos [?]: 44 [0], given: 0

### Show Tags

05 Oct 2008, 22:05
On the coordinate plane (6, 2) and (0, 6) are the endpoints of the diagonal of a square. What is the distance between point (0, 0) and the closest vertex of the square?

First, we have to "guess" the coordinates of the vertex of the square closest to the origin. We can do it by making a sketch and keeping in mind that GMAT does not use "difficult" numbers. The coordinates of the vertex is (1, 1) and it is units away from the origin.

Question: Please tell me what I'm "missing" and why the found vertex is 1,1 opposed to 0,2 which would actually make it a rectangle. My "guess" is not working. Please help, thank you.

Kudos [?]: 44 [0], given: 0

Senior Manager
Joined: 23 Jun 2009
Posts: 360

Kudos [?]: 134 [0], given: 80

Location: Turkey
Schools: UPenn, UMich, HKS, UCB, Chicago

### Show Tags

04 Aug 2009, 05:10
yezz wrote:
maliyeci wrote:
Say (a,b) is a vertex of that square that does not makes the end points of the diagonal of that square.

Then, distances to the end points must be exactly 1/srqt2 of the lenght of the diagonal ( diagonal of a square and two sides of the square makes a right triangle)

lenght of diagonal is sqrt52 ( sqrt ((6-0)^2+(6-2)^2) )
so length of the edges of square is sqrt26.

Thus,
lets calculate the distance of (a,b) to end points.

(a-0)^2 + (b-6)^2 = 26
(a-6)^2 + (b-2)^2 = 26

how did you solve these equations??
SOlving these,

(a,b) can be (1,1) or (5,7)

(1,1) has the shortest distance to (0,0) that is sqrt2.

Hi Yezz,
It is a 2 variable equation with 2 equations. So it can be solved easily.
a^2 + b^2 -12b + 36 = 26
a^2 + b^2 -12b-10=0
a^2=12b+10-b^2 (1*)
______________________________________________________

a^2 - 12a +36 + b^2 -4b +4 =26
a^2 - 12a + b^2 -4b +14=0 (putting 1*)
12b+10-b^2-12a+b^2-4b+14=0
8b-12a+24=0
2b-3a+6=0
a=(2b+6)/3 (2*)
____________________________________________
putting 2* in 1*
You can solve.

Kudos [?]: 134 [0], given: 80

Retired Moderator
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 1749

Kudos [?]: 442 [0], given: 49

### Show Tags

04 Aug 2009, 06:12
maliyeci wrote:
yezz wrote:
maliyeci wrote:
Say (a,b) is a vertex of that square that does not makes the end points of the diagonal of that square.

Then, distances to the end points must be exactly 1/srqt2 of the lenght of the diagonal ( diagonal of a square and two sides of the square makes a right triangle)

lenght of diagonal is sqrt52 ( sqrt ((6-0)^2+(6-2)^2) )
so length of the edges of square is sqrt26.

Thus,
lets calculate the distance of (a,b) to end points.

(a-0)^2 + (b-6)^2 = 26
(a-6)^2 + (b-2)^2 = 26

how did you solve these equations??
SOlving these,

(a,b) can be (1,1) or (5,7)

(1,1) has the shortest distance to (0,0) that is sqrt2.

Hi Yezz,
It is a 2 variable equation with 2 equations. So it can be solved easily.
a^2 + b^2 -12b + 36 = 26
a^2 + b^2 -12b-10=0
a^2=12b+10-b^2 (1*)
______________________________________________________

a^2 - 12a +36 + b^2 -4b +4 =26
a^2 - 12a + b^2 -4b +14=0 (putting 1*)
12b+10-b^2-12a+b^2-4b+14=0
8b-12a+24=0
2b-3a+6=0
a=(2b+6)/3 (2*)
____________________________________________
putting 2* in 1*
You can solve.

Thanks Maliy, i appreciate. it was 3 am here and i tried to solve it for 15 minutes and i couldnt.

Kudos [?]: 442 [0], given: 49

Intern
Joined: 09 Feb 2009
Posts: 17

Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 1

### Show Tags

06 Aug 2009, 17:14
If on the coordinate plane (6,2) and (0,6) are the endpoints of the diagonal of a square, what is the distance between point (0,0) and the closest vertex of the square?

a) 1/sqrt(2)
b) 1
c) sqrt(2)
d) sqrt(3)
e) 2*sqrt(3)

if (0,6) and (6,2) are end points of a diagonal of a square - shouldnt they be two of the vertices of the square too?
also, if it were the vertices, the diagonal length shows that the quadrilateral isnt a square....which is where im most confused.... can anybody help?? thanks in advance.

this is what OA says:

First, we have to "guess" the coordinates of the vertex of the square closest to the origin. We can do it by making a sketch. The coordinates of the vertex are (1,1) and it is units away from the origin.

Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 1

Manager
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Posts: 172

Kudos [?]: 90 [0], given: 13

### Show Tags

17 Sep 2009, 21:11
[/quote]

Hi Yezz,
It is a 2 variable equation with 2 equations. So it can be solved easily.
a^2 + b^2 -12b + 36 = 26
a^2 + b^2 -12b-10=0
a^2=12b+10-b^2 (1*)
______________________________________________________

a^2 - 12a +36 + b^2 -4b +4 =26
a^2 - 12a + b^2 -4b +14=0 (putting 1*)
12b+10-b^2-12a+b^2-4b+14=0
8b-12a+24=0
2b-3a+6=0
a=(2b+6)/3 (2*)
____________________________________________
putting 2* in 1*
You can solve.[/quote]

Thanks Maliy, i appreciate. it was 3 am here and i tried to solve it for 15 minutes and i couldnt. [/quote]

How do you expect to do this much math in 2 mins. Gotta be a better way

Kudos [?]: 90 [0], given: 13

Manager
Joined: 22 Sep 2009
Posts: 213

Kudos [?]: 25 [0], given: 8

Location: Tokyo, Japan

### Show Tags

25 Nov 2009, 04:33
powerka wrote:
I spent an exorbitant amount of time on this problem.

Tried to tackled it via algebra, and got stuck.

This is what I did:
. midpoint= (3,4)
. slope= -2/3
. then perpendicular slope= 2/3
. plugging in (3,4) into y=3/2x+k got k=-1/2 -> y=3/2x-1/2 .....(eq1)
. distance between points (diagonal)= sqrt(6^2+4^2)= sqrt(52)
. half the distance= sqrt(13)
. then distance between midpoint and vertex is given by: sqrt[(x-3)^2+(y-4)^2]=sqrt(13)->(x-3)^2+(y-4)^2=13 ....(eq2)
. plugging equation1 into equation2 I tried to solve to get vertex (1,1) as said by other posters
. but did not succeed. Reached x^2-3x+5=0, which has no real roots.

Good news is that googling around I found a fantastic shortcut:

From (3,4), on a perpendicular line (with slope 3/2), to find a point the same distance from (3,4) as (0,6) is, we decrease x by 2 and decrease y by 3, thus getting vertex (1,1), or we increase x by 2 and increase y by 3, thus getting vertex (5,7).

The distance from (0,0) to (1,1) is sqrt(2).

u mean perpendicular slope= 3/2 right?

Kudos [?]: 25 [0], given: 8

Manager
Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Posts: 176

Kudos [?]: 28 [0], given: 5

Location: Singapore

### Show Tags

02 Mar 2010, 02:33
Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Kudos [?]: 28 [0], given: 5

Manager
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Posts: 213

Kudos [?]: 144 [0], given: 12

### Show Tags

03 Aug 2010, 05:31
Hi,

The way I see this is that the vertexes are (0,6), (6,6), (0,2) and (6,2).
The closest from (0,0) is (0,2) and hence the distance is sqrt (0^2+2^2) =2

What am I missing here?

regards,
Jack

Kudos [?]: 144 [0], given: 12

GMAT Tutor
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Posts: 1339

Kudos [?]: 1997 [0], given: 6

### Show Tags

03 Aug 2010, 14:21
jakolik wrote:
Hi,

The way I see this is that the vertexes are (0,6), (6,6), (0,2) and (6,2).
The closest from (0,0) is (0,2) and hence the distance is sqrt (0^2+2^2) =2

What am I missing here?

That is not a square - it's a rectangle. Its length is 6 and its width is 4. In this question, the square is slightly rotated; it does not have sides parallel to the x and y axes.
_________________

GMAT Tutor in Toronto

If you are looking for online GMAT math tutoring, or if you are interested in buying my advanced Quant books and problem sets, please contact me at ianstewartgmat at gmail.com

Kudos [?]: 1997 [0], given: 6

VP
Joined: 17 Feb 2010
Posts: 1471

Kudos [?]: 789 [0], given: 6

### Show Tags

04 Aug 2010, 11:44
Hey Bunuel,

I understand how the square is placed and I have attached the same for everyone's benefit.

However I want your help for the below things:
(I have not been able to paste the formulae that you have typed)

(1) Length of the diagonal formula. Should we use that formula every time we want to derive the length of diagonal.

(2) The formula that you used for the "Distance between the unknown vertices to the midpoint is half the diagonal" in the very end.
Attachments

Graph.jpg [ 271.12 KiB | Viewed 5225 times ]

Kudos [?]: 789 [0], given: 6

Math Expert
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 42249

Kudos [?]: 132567 [0], given: 12326

### Show Tags

04 Aug 2010, 11:52
seekmba wrote:
Hey Bunuel,

I understand how the square is placed and I have attached the same for everyone's benefit.

However I want your help for the below things:
(I have not been able to paste the formulae that you have typed)

(1) Length of the diagonal formula. Should we use that formula every time we want to derive the length of diagonal.

(2) The formula that you used for the "Distance between the unknown vertices to the midpoint is half the diagonal" in the very end.

Distance between point $$A(x_1,y_1)$$ and $$B(x_2,y_2)$$ can be found by the formula $$D=\sqrt{(x_2-x_1)^2+(y_2-y_1)^2}$$.

So the length of the diagonal would be the distance between two points B(0,6) and D(6,2): $$D=\sqrt{(x_2-x_1)^2+(y_2-y_1)^2}=\sqrt{(6-0)^2+(2-6)^2}=\sqrt{52}$$.

For more on this topic check Coordinate Geometry chapter of Math Book (link in my signature).

Hope it helps.
_________________

Kudos [?]: 132567 [0], given: 12326

Manager
Joined: 14 Apr 2010
Posts: 217

Kudos [?]: 238 [0], given: 1

### Show Tags

05 Aug 2010, 02:18
OMG....completely missed all thse informations

Kudos [?]: 238 [0], given: 1

Intern
Joined: 24 Aug 2009
Posts: 4

Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 0

### Show Tags

11 Sep 2010, 13:01
Square: ABCD,
Midpoint: M

A(0;6)
C(6;2)

Midpoint is between A and C: M(3;4)

To get the closest vertex:
1. move the square and make the origin the midpoint. M'(0;0), so C'(3;-2)
2. rotate C' clockwise 90 degrees around M' to get B (or D), so C''(-2;-3) = B(-2;-3)
3. move back the square to the original position, so B'(1;1)
4. calculate distance between B' and Origin: sqrt(2)*1

Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 0

Math Expert
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 42249

Kudos [?]: 132567 [0], given: 12326

### Show Tags

11 Sep 2010, 22:38
nonameee wrote:
Is it a real GMAT question? I can't even write the solution under 2 minutes (not to mention to solve it under 2 minutes).

Yes it doesn't seem to be realistic GMAT question as it requires lengthy calculations and even backsolving can not help much to get the right answer quickly. But good for practice though.
_________________

Kudos [?]: 132567 [0], given: 12326

Intern
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Posts: 23

Kudos [?]: 20 [0], given: 2

### Show Tags

19 Sep 2010, 08:01
I found the following way, it seems faster but not perfect I guess.
1) Denote the coordinates of the point we are looking for as (m;n)
2) Build 2 equations based on the sides of the square: x^2=(6-n)^2+m^2 and x^2=(6-m)^2+(2-n)^2
3) Solving these equations we can get 3m-1=2n
4) We can assume that according to the draft m<6 and n<2
5) Thus, a possible solution is n=1, m=1

Kudos [?]: 20 [0], given: 2

Manager
Joined: 04 Aug 2010
Posts: 151

Kudos [?]: 33 [0], given: 15

### Show Tags

21 Sep 2010, 17:37
thanks for the great explanation Bunuel.

Kudos [?]: 33 [0], given: 15

Re: Coordinate plane   [#permalink] 21 Sep 2010, 17:37

Go to page   Previous    1   2   3   4    Next  [ 70 posts ]

Display posts from previous: Sort by

# m15q19: (6, 2) and (0, 6) are the endpoints of the diagonal

Moderator: Bunuel

 Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group | Emoji artwork provided by EmojiOne Kindly note that the GMAT® test is a registered trademark of the Graduate Management Admission Council®, and this site has neither been reviewed nor endorsed by GMAC®.