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Despite the curator’s claim, none of the unattributed sketches in the museum’s upcoming Flemish exhibit, all estimated to be more than 400-years old, are likely the work of Jan Vermeer, who was active in Flanders during the 17th Century.

(A) to be more than 400-years old, are

(B) to be over 400-years old, is

(C) at over 400-years old, are

(D) at more than 400-years old, is

(E) to be older than 400-years, is
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I thought "none" would be singular.

"none" means "no one" and so, "no one" should be singular. However, according to this answer key, it is plural.

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Hi GmatGrl,

Yes you are right. But it is also important to take the prepositional context. 'The Of prepositional phrase will be guide you'

Here the of phrase is plural and hence we need a plural verb.

Hope this helps.

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I thought "none" would be singular.

"none" means "no one" and so, "no one" should be singular. However, according to this answer key, it is plural.

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Even I got this one wrong. It seens none can be taken as singular as well as plural.

In such cases the the subject that follows dominates the verb. In our case "sketches".

Hence "are".

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But it is also important to take the prepositional context. 'The Of prepositional phrase will be guide you'

Here the of phrase is plural and hence we need a plural verb.

ok, but when will Of prepositional phrase ever be "singular" with "none"? The meaning of "none" itself seems to be that out of many things, "none" has a characteristic.

So, if you can give an example where Of prepositional phrase is "singular", it will help me to understand better.

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Hi Again,

I agree with you. I vaguely remember something similar mentioned in the manhattan guide.

the usage of 'None of' and 'Any of' is a controversial aspect among the grammarians. It goes down to what the overall meaning of the sentence is.

GMAC is unlikely to test this usage because this issue is controversial. This question exactly does that. It is not necessary to be correct or not necessary to be wrong.

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shriramvelamuri wrote:
But it is also important to take the prepositional context. 'The Of prepositional phrase will be guide you'

Here the of phrase is plural and hence we need a plural verb.

ok, but when will Of prepositional phrase ever be "singular" with "none"? The meaning of "none" itself seems to be that out of many things, "none" has a characteristic.

So, if you can give an example where Of prepositional phrase is "singular", it will help me to understand better.

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Despite the curator’s claim, none of the unattributed sketches in the museum’s upcoming Flemish exhibit, all estimated to be more than 400-years old, are likely the work of Jan Vermeer, who was active in Flanders during the 17th Century.


Good one !!

SANAM Word + Singular Noun = Singular Verb
SANAM Word + Plural Noun = Plural Verb

Cut the flab -

Despite the curator’s claim,none of the unattributed sketchesin the museum’s upcoming Flemish exhibit,all estimated to be more than 400-years old, are likely the work of Jan Vermeer,who was active in Flanders during the 17th Century.

The structure here is : None + ...... of the unattributed sketches....

None + Plural hence it will take a Plural verb , are

Further the correct idiomatic usage of estimate is : Estimated to be

Now our task is reduced to -

1. Sentence containing are
2. Use of Correct Idiomatic use of Estimate


(A) to be more than 400-years old, are

(B) to be over 400-years old, is - Incorrect

(C) at over 400-years old, are - Incorrect

(D) at more than 400-years old, is - Incorrect

(E) to be older than 400-years, is - Incorrect


Hence the answer is straight (A)..

PS : SANAM pronouns the noun object of the OF phrase can help you determine the number of the subject. - MGMAT SC 13th Edition.
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Consider - 'none of the unattributed sketches' as a set of sketches and so a plural - are. Also, 'estimated to be' is preferred. Hence answer is A.

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Abhishek009 wrote:
The structure here is : None + ...... of the unattributed sketches....

Noun + Plural hence it will take a Plural verb , are

Hi Abhishek, thanks for this; I had asked in my earlier post as well. If you could provide an example of where the sentence uses

Noun + Singular

It will help me understand better.

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Abhishek009 wrote:
The structure here is : None + ...... of the unattributed sketches....

Noun + Plural hence it will take a Plural verb , are

Hi Abhishek, thanks for this; I had asked in my earlier post as well. If you could provide an example of where the sentence uses

Noun + Singular

It will help me understand better.


Sorry :oops: for creating confusion please it was a typo I Please read Noun as None.. ( I have edited my post as well)

Plz refer MGMAT SC 13 which clearly states -

With the SANAM pronouns the noun object of the Of phrase can help you determine the number of the subject.


As far as this question is concerned -

Quote:
......none of the unattributed sketches in the museum’s upcoming Flemish exhibit........


The blue highlighted part ( as well as the context of the sentence )clearly refers to the Sketches of Jan Vermeer - Hence it is plural in sense...


Example of the Rule of None Of ___________ rule + Singular/Plural

1. None of the cake was left. - Used as Singular

2. None of the cookies were left. - Used as Plural.
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Example of the Rule of None Of ___________ rule + Singular/Plural

1. None of the cake was left. - Used as Singular

Thanks Abhishek. I somehow believe that "none of the cake" would not be correct. So, what I am trying to say is that if there is only one cake and all of it is finished, then we would say "No cake was left"; if there are many cakes and all of them were finished, then we would say "None of the cakes was left". What do you think?

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So I got this question "right" (by luck apparently), but I missed a similar question:

As of this morning, none of my friends has been able to solve the puzzle contained in the last week's newspaper.


According to Kaplan has is correct here because none is singular. No further explanation of prep phrases. Am I missing something between the explanations above saying the "unattributed sketches" is plural, but isn't "my friends" above also plural?

How do you know when to use none or not one?
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Despite the curator’s claim, none of the unattributed sketches in the museum’s upcoming Flemish exhibit, all estimated to be more than 400-years old, are likely the work of Jan Vermeer, who was active in Flanders during the 17th Century.

1 Since "none" (not any) is plural, eliminate B, D, and E. 2 C should say "estimated at 400-years old" but that would change the meaning. An estimate cannot be "over 400-years old."

(A) to be more than 400-years old, are

(B) to be over 400-years old, is

(C) at over 400-years old, are

(D) at more than 400-years old, is

(E) to be older than 400-years, is
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I have official examples to back this.

Also none is a tricky pronoun. It is NOT ambiguous. It agrees with the verb according to the noun that it refers to.

For example

None of my classmates are from India. - Correct.
None of the chocolate was left for me to eat - Correct as well.
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Despite the curator’s claim, none of the unattributed sketches in the museum’s upcoming Flemish exhibit, all estimated to be more than 400-years old, are likely the work of Jan Vermeer, who was active in Flanders during the 17th Century.

(A) to be more than 400-years old, are

(B) to be over 400-years old, is

(C) at over 400-years old, are

(D) at more than 400-years old, is

(E) to be older than 400-years, is
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Despite the curator’s claim, none of the unattributed sketches in the museum’s upcoming Flemish exhibit, all estimated to be more than 400-years old, are likely the work of Jan Vermeer, who was active in Flanders during the 17th Century.

(A) to be more than 400-years old, are

(B) to be over 400-years old, is

(C) at over 400-years old, are

(D) at more than 400-years old, is

(E) to be older than 400-years, is


Hi,
The Q test on two main concepts:-
1) idiom : estimated to be---- estimatyed at is not correct
2) verb: none can be singular/plural depending on the noun..---- sketches requires plural verb : ARE

A is the only correct choice

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Correct. This integrates two different topics.

1. None of [Noun] is singular/plural depending on the number of [Noun]

None of the pies are ready.

None of the apple was eaten.

2. Estimated requires a to be in the end.
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estimated to be >> estimated at

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I have official examples to back this.

Also none is a tricky pronoun. It is NOT ambiguous. It agrees with the verb according to the noun that it refers to.

For example

None of my classmates are from India. - Correct.
None of the chocolate was left for me to eat - Correct as well.


The thing to note here is that whenever No is used as a pronoun ending with one, body thing and ever then it always remains singular but here None has been used with a quantity prepositional phrase. In quantity prepositional phrase the subject lies in the preposition and therefore the verb depends on that. For eg. None of the students here the prep phrase is of the students and the subjects is students therefore the verb will be plural.

Similarly in Souviks eg above: None of my classmates are from India. - Classmates is the subjects therefore use of verb are
None of the chocolate was left for me to eat - Chocolate is the subject therefore use of verb was.

P.S Quantity prepositional phrases are exceptions in which the subject lies else subject never resides in prepositional phrases. Therefore, A is the correct answer.

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Good Question.

Best example of SANAM Pronouns ( Some, Any, None, All and Many )

None of the X --> Verb depends on X.

Since X is plural in this question, hence verb will be plural.
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