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Despite the increasing number of women graduating from law school and passing bar examinations, the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent.

(A) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent
(B) the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms have not risen comparably
(C) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably
(D) yet the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms has not risen to a comparable extent
(E) yet the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably

And also explain wy the remianing options are incorrect.

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[quote="papillon86"]Despite the increasing number of women graduating from law school and passing bar examinations, the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent.

(A) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent-- The proportion is singular, so it should be has and not have.

(B) the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms have not risen comparably--Same as A

(C) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably--Correct usage of sub-verb

(D) yet the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms has not risen to a comparable extent-- With Despite, yet is absolutely not required.

(E) yet the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably--Same as D
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Despite the increasing number of women graduating from law school and passing bar examinations, the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent.

(A) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent : plural verb for proportion
(B) the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms have not risen comparably : plural verb for proportion
(C) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably
(D) yet the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms has not risen to a comparable extent : Yet and despite in same scentence cant be used
(E) yet the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably : Yet and despite in same scentence cant be used
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12 Jan 2016, 23:19
Can some one help me in understanding the phrase "at major law firms who are women" --> Here its confusing that law firms being women.. Kindly help

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‘Who’ refers to the partners and not to the firms. ‘At major law firms’ is an essential part of the partners. After all, the pronoun’ who’ cannot refer to the non-human term ‘firms’
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In D and E, is the presence of "yet" (which I understand is redundant) the only issue or is there any other issue as well, because this seems quite a tricky one to understand.

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Three issues in particular
1. women judges - here women is "Noun Adjective" extended as "Judges of Women", which distorts the meaning. Author wants to say that Judges, who are women. Putting simply - 'Women Judges' can have two meanings. So one can eliminate B & D

2. Sub - Verb agreement - Subject is 'Proportion' and this is placed in best possible way to pick the wrong one within the "prepositional phrases", you need to skip them. - Thus eliminating A

Left with C & E

3. Despite: Yet - Redundant, eliminate E

I went wrong here, I selected 'E' knowing that Despite is a preposition and there might be a room for (,)Yet - Coordinating Conjunction' to accommodate. - though I have to hunch for some grammatical support for usage of despite with other conjunctions.

Usage of Despite: Despite must follow Noun or Noun phrase or gerunds
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21 Feb 2017, 03:16
Hi Expert,

I have a doubt in the option C
the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms "who" are women has not risen comparably.

The placement of who looks tricky in the sense, to what it is referring to, the law firms or the women.

I take was option D bit I ignored the 'yet' part.

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Despite the increasing number of women graduating from law school and passing bar examinations, the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent.

(A) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent
(B) the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms have not risen comparably
(C) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably
(D) yet the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms has not risen to a comparable extent
(E) yet the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably

Not an expert here but think I can help you with this one..

Despite X, Y is the form. Therefore delete D,E
Also "The proportion HAS not HAVE". Therefore delete A,B.

Who HAS to refer to a person Therefore the pronoun "who" refers to "partners", skipping over the propositional phrase "at major law firms." This is called as a noun modifier modifying a slightly far away noun. The prep phrase "at major law firm" has to be next to the "partners" because it modifies the noun "partners".

See more about noun modifier modifying a slightly far away noun here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/noun-modifie ... 35868.html. Really good article on it by e-gmat.
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I have a doubt in the option C
the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms "who" are women has not risen comparably.

The placement of who looks tricky in the sense, to what it is referring to, the law firms or the women.

I take was option D bit I ignored the 'yet' part.

The pronoun "who" can only refer to people. Therefore "firms" cannot be antecedent of "who". Hence "who" is not ambiguous.

In option D, "despite" and "yet" are redundant.

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Hi Expert,

I have a doubt in the option C
the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms "who" are women has not risen comparably.

The placement of who looks tricky in the sense, to what it is referring to, the law firms or the women.

I take was option D bit I ignored the 'yet' part.

The pronoun "who" can only refer to people. Therefore "firms" cannot be antecedent of "who". Hence "who" is not ambiguous.

In option D, "despite" and "yet" are redundant.

Thanks for the explanation. I missed out the basic point about "who". Thanks for the advise.

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13 Jun 2017, 13:31
thank you good one sir.. also thanks for all the lovely explanations provided by one and all

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Despite the increasing number of women graduating from law school and passing bar examinations, the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent.

(A) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent

- Important word here is proportion, and it should refer to a singular verb, here the usage of "have" is incorrect
- "to a comparable extent" is wordy and "comparably" can be preferred

(B) the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms have not risen comparably

- Again, usage of "have" is incorrect
- Proportion in this case only compares with women judges and partners at major law firms, note the missing reference of women for partners, which implies that the proportion is of all women judges and all partners (male or female) at major law firm

(C) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably

- CORRECT
- Proportion is clearly between "judges and partners at major law firms who are women"
- usage of comparably is correct

(D) yet the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms has not risen to a comparable extent

- As the word "despite" already brings in the contrast to this sentence, usage of "yet" is redundant here as it makes the sentence awkward.

(E) yet the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably

- As the word "despite" already brings in the contrast to this sentence, usage of "yet" is redundant here as it makes the sentence awkward.

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Despite the increasing number of women graduating from law school and passing bar examinations, the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent.

Ignore the fluff to narrow down your choices. The original sentence uses the plural verb form 'have' with the singluar noun 'proportion'. Using this eliminate A & B

Now using the correct idiom Despite A, B (another correct form is In spite of A, B), we can eliminate D & E since they use 'yet'
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Despite the increasing number of women graduating from law school and passing bar examinations, the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent.

(A) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent
(B) the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms have not risen comparably
(C) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably
(D) yet the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms has not risen to a comparable extent
(E) yet the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably

And also explain wy the remianing options are incorrect.

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Can you please help me with this question. I'm confused with the usage of "who" here. As I know it should refer to "judjes and partners" but took place right after "law firms" which is in the answer choice C. How is that possible?

"who are women" is a noun modifier. It modifies "judges and partners".
Noun modifiers should be as close to the noun as possible but it is not necessary that they touch the noun. Also, the reference should not be ambiguous.
"who are women" can certainly not refer to law firms so this usage is correct.
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Despite the increasing number of women graduating from law school and passing bar examinations, the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent.

(A) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent

The proportion have ; Sv error
(B) the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms have not risen comparably
Same as A
(C) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably

The proportion has : Correct
(D) yet the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms has not risen to a comparable extent
Yet & despite are redundant : Incorrect

(E) yet the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably
Same as D : Incorrect

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Despite the increasing number of women graduating from law school and passing bar examinations, the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent.

(A) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women have not risen to a comparable extent
- Incorrect verb "have" should be "has" because of singular subject.

(B) the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms have not risen comparably
- Same as "A".

(C) the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably
- Subject = PROPORTION, so the accompanying verb must be SINGULAR. correct as is.

(D) yet the proportion of women judges and partners at major law firms has not risen to a comparable extent
- "Yet" not necessary because you're drawing a contrast and you use "despite" earlier.

(E) yet the proportion of judges and partners at major law firms who are women has not risen comparably
- Same as "D"

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Eliminate D and E - 'yet' is not the logical fit for the sentence due to 'despite' being used in the sentence.
B is incorrect - women applies to judges and not partners.

Tough choice between A and C - A uses plural verb that does not agree with singular subject. Thus, the correct choice is ''C''. Has risen is used as per subject- verb agreement.
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According to the below article, a relative pronoun such as "who" will modify the noun if the "prepositional phrase" between the noun and the relative pronoun is correctly modifying the noun

https://e-gmat.com/blogs/noun-modifiers ... away-noun/

In this question, the "who" in option C cannot logically modify "judges and partners" because "at major law firms" can be placed anywhere else in the sentence as well. Eg: - it can be placed at the end of the sentence

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the proportion of judges and partners who are women has not risen comparably at major law firms

The above modified sentence still makes sense

"at major law firms" is modifying "has not risen". If I ask the ask the question "where" has the proportion not risen - the answer is "at major law firms"

Hence Option C is also wrong. But this is an OG question, and hence I would like to know where I am going wrong and rectify my concepts

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