It is currently 17 Nov 2017, 13:02

### GMAT Club Daily Prep

#### Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

# Events & Promotions

###### Events & Promotions in June
Open Detailed Calendar

# Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y.

Author Message
Director
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
Posts: 574

Kudos [?]: 81 [0], given: 0

Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

25 Feb 2008, 22:15
I'm lost.

Can anyone explain/provide examples?

I pinched every penny so as to be a rich man.

I pinched every penny so that I too could one day be a rich man.

Thanks.

Kudos [?]: 81 [0], given: 0

Director
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Posts: 684

Kudos [?]: 615 [0], given: 0

Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

26 Feb 2008, 00:24
these two are idioms and as I understand them

so as to-> in order to

so as to precedes verbs

You should start the project now so as to finish it in time

so that-> in order that , is often used with results

like, I stopped so that he could catch up -> so that often precedes noun,pronouns

regards,
Pras
_________________

Persistence+Patience+Persistence+Patience=G...O...A...L

Kudos [?]: 615 [0], given: 0

Director
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
Posts: 574

Kudos [?]: 81 [0], given: 0

Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

26 Feb 2008, 01:01
prasannar wrote:
these two are idioms and as I understand them

so as to-> in order to

so as to precedes verbs

You should start the project now so as to finish it in time

so that-> in order that , is often used with results

like, I stopped so that he could catch up -> so that often precedes noun,pronouns

regards,
Pras

I still don't get it.

I'll bring out the beast:

Unlike a hurricane, which can be observed from within, a tornado is so small that such a study has not been practical.

(A) that such a study has not been practical
(B) that studying it that way has not been impractical
(C) for such studies as this to have been impractical
(D) as to not make such a study practical
(E) as to be impractical of study

I would go for E. However, the modifier points to an implicit study, hence it's A. E is much more concise, and grammatically correct.

Kudos [?]: 81 [0], given: 0

SVP
Joined: 04 May 2006
Posts: 1879

Kudos [?]: 1443 [0], given: 1

Schools: CBS, Kellogg
Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

26 Feb 2008, 01:04
I'm lost.

Can anyone explain/provide examples?

I pinched every penny so as to be a rich man.

I pinched every penny so that I too could one day be a rich man.

Thanks.

I found your topic about Gmatprep digging in the thread of Experience is good! I like that.

As far as I concerned, there is no difference between the two. Only the which one does not make you confused! I hope you will get what I mean by looking at this example.

For example :

OG10.67.
Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newbom children.

(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and

The difference between B and D is : B: employers....care for sick or children, making the sentence awkward

But D : workers are persons who care for sick or children.

If I use "so as to" I will not able to say my opinion that workers caring for sick or children.

Correct me if I still wrong! hehe
_________________

Kudos [?]: 1443 [0], given: 1

Intern
Joined: 28 Mar 2011
Posts: 34

Kudos [?]: 2 [0], given: 0

Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

10 May 2011, 19:20
Hi,

Are both idioms ,so that and so X that Y, correct on GMAT?

for eg :

I did this so that I could leave early

Her action was so extreme that it could not be justified.

one book which I am using says that 'so X that Y ' is the correct idiom and it has no mention of 'so that'.

The other says 'so that' is correct.

Are both correct in different contexts?

Thanks,

Regards,

Kudos [?]: 2 [0], given: 0

Manager
Joined: 19 Apr 2011
Posts: 106

Kudos [?]: 3 [0], given: 2

Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

01 Jun 2011, 06:33
Between the two idioms 'So X as to Y' and 'So X That Y' use the former when the emphasis is on Y and use the latter when the emphasis is on X

Kudos [?]: 3 [0], given: 2

Manager
Joined: 07 May 2015
Posts: 102

Kudos [?]: 15 [0], given: 6

Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

26 Sep 2015, 09:39
dkj1984 wrote:
Hi,

Are both idioms ,so that and so X that Y, correct on GMAT?

for eg :

I did this so that I could leave early

Her action was so extreme that it could not be justified.

one book which I am using says that 'so X that Y ' is the correct idiom and it has no mention of 'so that'.

The other says 'so that' is correct.

Are both correct in different contexts?

Thanks,

Regards,

Can someone please answer the above question, I am stuck at the same doubt. Thanks!

Kudos [?]: 15 [0], given: 6

Retired Moderator
Joined: 18 Sep 2014
Posts: 1201

Kudos [?]: 893 [0], given: 75

Location: India
Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

26 Oct 2015, 04:54
neeraj609 wrote:
dkj1984 wrote:
Hi,

Are both idioms ,so that and so X that Y, correct on GMAT?

for eg :

I did this so that I could leave early

Her action was so extreme that it could not be justified.

one book which I am using says that 'so X that Y ' is the correct idiom and it has no mention of 'so that'.

The other says 'so that' is correct.

Are both correct in different contexts?

Thanks,

Regards,

Can someone please answer the above question, I am stuck at the same doubt. Thanks!

yes both so that and so X that Y are correct.

1. So X that Y......................Y explains or describes X

The test was so difficult that I could not even complete it.
the words tumbled out so fast that I could barely hear them

2. So that.......................purpose

So that” is used as a subordinate clause to show purpose or to give an explanation. It is used to show an action producing an intended result or a cause producing an effect.

they whisper to each other so that no one else can hear
We know from her letters that Frances destroyed the original, so that it would not injure her husband's reputation.
She picks up the newspaper and holds it up so that she can't see me.
Janelle said that she will take all of the kids out so that we can have a romantic night in.
_________________

The only time you can lose is when you give up. Try hard and you will suceed.
Thanks = Kudos. Kudos are appreciated

http://gmatclub.com/forum/rules-for-posting-in-verbal-gmat-forum-134642.html
When you post a question Pls. Provide its source & TAG your questions
Avoid posting from unreliable sources.

My posts
http://gmatclub.com/forum/beauty-of-coordinate-geometry-213760.html#p1649924
http://gmatclub.com/forum/calling-all-march-april-gmat-takers-who-want-to-cross-213154.html
http://gmatclub.com/forum/possessive-pronouns-200496.html
http://gmatclub.com/forum/double-negatives-206717.html
http://gmatclub.com/forum/the-greatest-integer-function-223595.html#p1721773

Kudos [?]: 893 [0], given: 75

Intern
Joined: 30 Nov 2015
Posts: 11

Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 5

Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

24 Apr 2016, 11:10
There is no construction like: 'so X as to Y', only 'so X that Y' is correct.

Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 5

Director
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
Posts: 742

Kudos [?]: 321 [0], given: 12

Location: Bangalore, India
Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

27 Apr 2016, 05:54
gianghoang217 wrote:
There is no construction like: 'so X as to Y', only 'so X that Y' is correct.

That might be bit of a generalization. Following is a correct official example:

Often major economic shifts are so gradual as to be indistinguishable at first from ordinary fluctuations in the financial markets.
_________________

Thanks,
Ashish (GMAT Faculty @ EducationAisle)
http://www.EducationAisle.com

Sentence Correction Nirvana available at Amazon.in and Flipkart

Now! Preview the entire Grammar Section of Sentence Correction Nirvana at pothi.com

Kudos [?]: 321 [0], given: 12

Manhattan Prep Instructor
Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 1131

Kudos [?]: 1230 [1], given: 29

Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y. [#permalink]

### Show Tags

28 Apr 2016, 23:56
1
KUDOS
Expert's post
1
This post was
BOOKMARKED
One problem with E is that "impractical of study" is not correct. We could say that something is "impractical to study," but with "of," the whole expression makes no sense.

So let's see, would E work if we said "Unlike a hurricane, which can be observed from within, a tornado is so small as to be impractical to study"? Not really. We use "so X as to Y" when we want to emphasize that something goes so far in the direction of X that it reaches Y. Look at the example Ashish provides above: a shift was "so gradual as to be indistinguishable." A few other examples:

The offer was so low as to be insulting.
The difference was so fine as to be imperceptible.

So basically, when we use this construction, we are simply adding detail to the original adjective. How low was the offer? Insultingly low. How fine was the difference? Imperceptibly fine. Basically, in these cases we have a long-winded way of saying something simpler: "The offer was insultingly low." "The difference was imperceptible." Note that in the official example, "so gradual as to be . . . ," the sentence is a bit harder to simplify. Perhaps the construction is used there because there's not really a clearer way to say that the shift was "imperceptibly gradual." (It doesn't make much sense when phrased like that.)

Let's compare this to "so X that Y." In that case, Y is a consequence of X. Because tornadoes are small, they are impractical to study. "Impractical to study" doesn't really amplify or build on "small"; rather, it shows a consequence of the tornadoes' size.
_________________

Dmitry Farber | Manhattan GMAT Instructor | New York

Manhattan GMAT Discount | Manhattan GMAT Course Reviews | View Instructor Profile |
Manhattan GMAT Reviews

Kudos [?]: 1230 [1], given: 29

Re: Difference between So X as to Y ad So X that Y.   [#permalink] 28 Apr 2016, 23:56
Display posts from previous: Sort by