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My background: I’ll start with a quick introduction about myself – I am currently working for a large management consulting firm in the US, earning a comfortable 6 figure salary and absolutely in love with this country. Like most of you all reading this – I went through the B school admissions process about 6 years ago, scored a 740 GMAT and successfully got admitted to a top 20 business school with a substantial (roughly 75%) tuition waiver. That was the best day of my life.

Why this decision is so important: Having been through the B-school admission process, then the B school life, the anxiety/stress of the job search and now a couple of years into my first job, I feel a moral responsibility to highlight the most important (and much underestimated and neglected) consideration (in my opinion) while choosing your b-school. When you choose a business school in another country, you not only choose a school but you choose the country you (most likely) will live for the rest of your life in (or at least a significant portion of your life). When I was applying to B-schools, I was obsessed about the schools in the US. I was told that US is a land of opportunities and other countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Europe do not have opportunities any near compared to the US. Yes that’s very true, but the one thing no one told me (and I so wish I would have known then) is this – the skilled immigration system in the US is totally messed up.

The plight of skilled immigrants in America: Skilled immigrants with advanced degrees (weather you attend MIT or Harvard or Yale and weather you end up working for Mckinsey, BCG, Google or Facebook) currently face anywhere from 20 to 80 years of Green card wait time (per different estimates). This means that for the rest of your life you will be stuck in paperwork and job switch restrictions (by the way if you didn’t know, you don't qualify for about 95% job openings in the US if you don’t have a Green card or US citizenship). Your peers (from different countries or US citizens and Green card holders) will be easily able to change jobs and progress in their careers and you will be unable to make changes, take promotions, start a new company or even join a startup for the risk of being laid off and sent back home. Refer to the information below if you need more to trust me.

Join the Facebook group "SkilledImmigrantsinUS"
Watch the movie/trailer: "for here or to go"
Search for "regulations gov i140 ead rule federal register read comments" on google and read the 20k painful comments of people stuck in backlogs!
Search for 'immigrationgirl' on google and read her post about the true green card wait!

To sum up – I am not building a case against coming to the US. I would just like to ask you to choose your future country wisely. It’s a one-time choice and may get very difficult to make amends later! Feel free to comment or IM me if you need any further information.
Please note: This post is my personal opinion based on my (pre and post) B school journey experience in the US.
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Thank U dude ...for extraordinary, info...its really great details by ordinary dude

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Hi TheOrdinaryGuy, Thanks for the detailed info.
As most MBA grads take a leadership position after they graduate, i am hoping that they will be eligible for EB1 process. Do you have any thoughts on whether companies apply Green Card through EB1?
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I have a question.
I'm 26 now, not american, and I want to do my MBA in June 2018 and graduate in 2019. In the meantime, and instead of waiting until next year to get my F1 (student) visa, I thought I could apply for a green card, and enroll in the MBA program without needing any other visa or the need for AOS (adjustment of status).
The only issues are:
-If I don't get a green card by June 2018 and it's time to enroll in the MBA, would an active green card application prevent any other application for F1? Meaning would I be screwed and fail to enroll if I don't get the green card by then?
-Are the green card and F1 mutually exclusive? Meaning if I apply for a green card and show intention for immigration, would my student visa (technically non-immigrant visa) be rejected? I want to do my MBA regardless of whether my green card is approved or not, because it's extremely important for my self-fulfillment and professional growth, and I would not want to jeopardize my chance to do it in the US just because of some complicated laws that a guy like me just doesn't know enough about...
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I have a question.
I'm 26 now, not american, and I want to do my MBA in June 2018 and graduate in 2019. In the meantime, and instead of waiting until next year to get my F1 (student) visa, I thought I could apply for a green card, and enroll in the MBA program without needing any other visa or the need for AOS (adjustment of status).
The only issues are:
-If I don't get a green card by June 2018 and it's time to enroll in the MBA, would an active green card application prevent any other application for F1? Meaning would I be screwed and fail to enroll if I don't get the green card by then?
-Are the green card and F1 mutually exclusive? Meaning if I apply for a green card and show intention for immigration, would my student visa (technically non-immigrant visa) be rejected? I want to do my MBA regardless of whether my green card is approved or not, because it's extremely important for my self-fulfillment and professional growth, and I would not want to jeopardize my chance to do it in the US just because of some complicated laws that a guy like me just doesn't know enough about...



Welcome to the GMAT Club Joeking!

These are some serious questions and I am not sure that many of us have the right insight into the rapidly changing immigration landscape and policies.
The best candidate to answer this type of questions is an immigration attorney. There are a number of immigration forums and attorneys that can help you craft your strategy.

P.S. My understanding is that the green card takes a LOT longer than a year and the only exception is when you get it via marriage. I would research the processing times first to see if it is even a worthy undertaking. On the flip side, if you do have a way to successfully get a green card (not sure what that would be - most here get it via their employer/work and it takes years, usually after 1 or 2 successful H1B rounds in the shortest span), but if you do manage to get it before you graduate, that will make your recruiting easier as it will eliminate the pesky employment authorization question off your application.

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Wow. I chose to apply to Canadian schools due to H1B issue only although I prefer to live in the US as I went to high school and college there. I did not even think about green card processing time after H1B approval. Thank you for sharing your experience and insights. I am glad that I chose to go to Canada although I will be earning considerably less than a US MBA graduate from a top-tier program.
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Hi TheOrdinaryGuy,
First of all, Thanks a lot for bringing out this issue.
I started applying to US schools in October last year and my starting point was not the schools I can get into but the immigration policies in US. I presently live in Singapore (as an immigrant) and face the exact same issues. Hence I didn't wanted to repeat the same mistake.

Moreover, whomsoever I talk to about this: my family members, friends, and even current students and recent alums all say "You're thinking too far". I mean common, I have faced this for last 3 years in Singapore and it's obvious I'll face this for years after my graduation in US. We can't just delay the inevitable.

To my best experience of talking to my peers there thought process is like "we'll manage somehow, first do the MBA". This though process to me is amateurish and naive. But it is how it is.

Having said that I always wonder why people don't come back to there home countries or move around to some other country if they aren't happy with the immigration policy? You yourself had a scholarship, so I assume you weren't in huge debt after your MBA. Why not move to your home country or any other developed country? I myself am considering coming to US for MBA but I'll be more than happy to leave US right after my MBA and go to my home country or some place like Singapore. US education and experience is well recognized globally.


TheOrdinaryGuy wrote:
My background: I’ll start with a quick introduction about myself – I am currently working for a large management consulting firm in the US, earning a comfortable 6 figure salary and absolutely in love with this country. Like most of you all reading this – I went through the B school admissions process about 6 years ago, scored a 740 GMAT and successfully got admitted to a top 20 business school with a substantial (roughly 75%) tuition waiver. That was the best day of my life.

Why this decision is so important: Having been through the B-school admission process, then the B school life, the anxiety/stress of the job search and now a couple of years into my first job, I feel a moral responsibility to highlight the most important (and much underestimated and neglected) consideration (in my opinion) while choosing your b-school. When you choose a business school in another country, you not only choose a school but you choose the country you (most likely) will live for the rest of your life in (or at least a significant portion of your life). When I was applying to B-schools, I was obsessed about the schools in the US. I was told that US is a land of opportunities and other countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Europe do not have opportunities any near compared to the US. Yes that’s very true, but the one thing no one told me (and I so wish I would have known then) is this – the skilled immigration system in the US is totally messed up.

The plight of skilled immigrants in America: Skilled immigrants with advanced degrees (weather you attend MIT or Harvard or Yale and weather you end up working for Mckinsey, BCG, Google or Facebook) currently face anywhere from 20 to 80 years of Green card wait time (per different estimates). This means that for the rest of your life you will be stuck in paperwork and job switch restrictions (by the way if you didn’t know, you don't qualify for about 95% job openings in the US if you don’t have a Green card or US citizenship). Your peers (from different countries or US citizens and Green card holders) will be easily able to change jobs and progress in their careers and you will be unable to make changes, take promotions, start a new company or even join a startup for the risk of being laid off and sent back home. Refer to the information below if you need more to trust me.

Join the Facebook group "SkilledImmigrantsinUS"
Watch the movie/trailer: "for here or to go"
Search for "regulations gov i140 ead rule federal register read comments" on google and read the 20k painful comments of people stuck in backlogs!
Search for 'immigrationgirl' on google and read her post about the true green card wait!

To sum up – I am not building a case against coming to the US. I would just like to ask you to choose your future country wisely. It’s a one-time choice and may get very difficult to make amends later! Feel free to comment or IM me if you need any further information.
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Hi TheOrdinaryGuy,
First of all, Thanks a lot for bringing out this issue.
I started applying to US schools in October last year and my starting point was not the schools I can get into but the immigration policies in US. I presently live in Singapore (as an immigrant) and face the exact same issues. Hence I didn't wanted to repeat the same mistake.

Moreover, whomsoever I talk to about this: my family members, friends, and even current students and recent alums all say "You're thinking too far". I mean common, I have faced this for last 3 years in Singapore and it's obvious I'll face this for years after my graduation in US. We can't just delay the inevitable.

To my best experience of talking to my peers there thought process is like "we'll manage somehow, first do the MBA". This though process to me is amateurish and naive. But it is how it is.

Having said that I always wonder why people don't come back to there home countries or move around to some other country if they aren't happy with the immigration policy? You yourself had a scholarship, so I assume you weren't in huge debt after your MBA. Why not move to your home country or any other developed country? I myself am considering coming to US for MBA but I'll be more than happy to leave US right after my MBA and go to my home country or some place like Singapore. US education and experience is well recognized globally.


Short answer - Because salaries aren't as high in the rest of the developed world and cost of living often tends to be greater. So you won't get a good ROI. Good luck going back to India and trying to pay off your MBA loans
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Agree...That's what I guessed...Something I've learnt in life is that there's no perfect place/country/job...There's always a trade-off. It's all about making the right trade-offs and maximizing your happiness :-D

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Short answer - Because salaries aren't as high in the rest of the developed world and cost of living often tends to be greater. So you won't get a good ROI. Good luck going back to India and trying to pay off your MBA loans
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Hi TheOrdinaryGuy, Thanks for the detailed info.
As most MBA grads take a leadership position after they graduate, i am hoping that they will be eligible for EB1 process. Do you have any thoughts on whether companies apply Green Card through EB1?



You do not get qualified for EB1 based on your school but program. EB1 is for research scholars and you need a Phd to qualify for that. Infact even a Phd do not guarantee you EB1 you need to have patents and the job you are doing is closely related to your past research work. Hope this helps.
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Rohit6 wrote:
Agree...That's what I guessed...Something I've learnt in life is that there's no perfect place/country/job...There's always a trade-off. It's all about making the right trade-offs and maximizing your happiness :-D


Perfectly put, Rohit. Despite the Trumpmania and H1B lottery and the insane GC wait for Indians, America can still be the best place for a lot of people. Hope the new administration cracks down on the abuses by the Indian IT firms and makes the system fairer for truly deserving candidates.
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