varotkorn wrote:
Dear
VeritasPrepBrian VeritasKarishma VeritasPrepRon AnthonyRitz VeritasPrepHailey VeritasPrepErika VeritasPrepBrandonDear the author of Veritas SC book and all Veritas verbal experts, I have similar problems in the seeming INCONSISTENCY found in Veritas SC book as well.
P. 161 Q. 18 in Veritas SC book:
The following sentence is
WRONG on the grounds that "that" modifies the closest noun "home".
According to the solution:
"Because "that featured..." follows "home," the sentence suggests that the home "featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights," and that is clearly ILLOGICAL"Quote:
John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties in his family home that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guest and late nights.
P. 39 Q. 1 in Veritas SC book:
However, in the same book, the following sentence is
CORRECT with the reasoning that "that" is not restrictive and clearly modifies parties.
According to the solution:
"Here the relative clause that featured clowns, numerous exotic animals, and lots of food is properly modifying "parties." Remember: "That" clauses are not nearly as strict as "which" clauses and can modify a noun that is not directly beside it.Quote:
John held parties for his kids that featured clowns, numerous exotic animals, and lots of food.
P. 39 Q. 2 in Veritas SC book:
the following sentence is
WRONG The solution is not clear to me
According to the solution :
"Here the relative clause that featured clowns, numerous exotic animals, and lots of food is illogically modifying "house"Quote:
John held parties in his house that featured clowns, numerous exotic animals, and lots of food.
If possible, could you please provide official examples for the 3 cases above.Thank you all!
Varotkorn,
These are excellent questions.
I don't happen to have official examples available off the top of my head. That said, I think these Veritas questions are wholly accurate and quite reasonable/authentic relative to the actual GMAT. Furthermore, in my view, there is actually no inconsistency here. Allow me to clarify...
First of all, a disclaimer: The English language is big, complicated, and messy. Rules often have exceptions, and it is quite impractical (and unproductive) to attempt to learn every rule of the language. (If you're a grammar masochist, you can buy the Grammar Desk Reference, by Gary Lutz, and go nuts. But I don't recommend it.) I, frankly, do not know, or even care to know, every rule (and I say this as someone with a 790 GMAT including a 51 on Verbal). Sometimes you just have to know where there may be more or less wiggle room, and then prioritize the issues on which you simply cannot compromise. To highlight the complexity here, note that the word "that" can act as (at minimum) a relative pronoun, a subordinating conjunction, and adjective, and an adverb -- with different rules in each case. I do not purport to offer here the definitive and comprehensive treatise on use of the word "that."
Okay, disclaimer finished. In each of the cases you cite, "that" acts as a relative pronoun. "that" is a more flexible relative pronoun than, for instance, "which," but it still mostly has to be next to what it modifies. The rule, as I teach it, is as follows:
A relative clause almost always modifies the closest noun of the right type to fit the relative pronoun.The key point here is the phrase "right type to fit the relative pronoun." The pronoun "that" generally refers to objects (in rare cases it can refer to people, but it does not usually do so). So it will almost always have to modify the closest *object* in the preceding portion of the sentence.
In the first example, that's "home" -- incorrect, since the "home" is not logically what features the things described in the relative clause. So it's wrong.
In the second example, that's "parties" -- totally correct, since the parties do feature the things described in the relative clause. What about "kids," you say? The "kids" are people, not objects, and thus are not the right type of noun to fit the relative pronoun "that." The relative pronoun therefore ignores the kids, jumps over them, and keeps going to find the next-closest noun (and the closest of the right type): "parties." No error.
In the third example, it's "house" again -- incorrect, since this is again not the logical target of the relative clause. Why can't the "that" jump past this and go to the "parties," you say? Because "house" is an object, and this is the right type of noun to fit the relative pronoun "that." So the "that" can't go past it to get to the more-distant "parties." Not okay.
I hope this clarifies the rule. And, to reiterate, even here there can be some narrow exceptions. But try not to get too stuck on what those may be. Prioritizing the right issues is more important than nitpicking every nuance of every obscure grammar rule, for getting that V51.
P.s. To address the question you posed to another tutor, I will note one more thing:
You said,
varotkorn wrote:
"for his kids" is an adverbial prep phrase here because it modifies "held"
I believe that "for his kids" is actually an adjectival modifier that modifies "parties."