EMPOWERgmatVerbal wrote:
Tracy95 wrote:
Dear
GMATNinja EMPOWERgmatVerbal I have concern over the use of "many times as rare as" and "many times more rare than". I hope you could help enlighten me.
As far as I know, it's okay to say "this road is three times as long as that road". Thus I think it's also okay to say "leopards are many times as rare as pandas".
So either "many times more rare than" or "many times as rare as" is grammartically correct. Is my thinking correct?
Thank you
Hi
Tracy95!
You are correct that using the phrases "as rare as" or "as long as" are grammatically correct.
However, they are not ALWAYS correct. It depends on what the meaning you're trying to convey.
The phrases "as rare as" or "as long as" are ONLY used to say that the 2 items are the same. If you're trying to say the 2 items are different, you cannot us "as many as" or "as long as."
So for this question, here is what we're dealing with:
"many times as rare as" =
WRONG (The phrase "as rare as" would mean the 2 items are the same, but we start with "many times," which is a clue that the 2 items are not the same level of rare.)
"many times more rare than" =
CORRECT (The phrase "more rare than" makes it clear to readers that the 2 items are different - one of them is many times MORE rare than the other.)
As for your other example:
As far as I know, it's okay to say "this road is three times as long as that road".NO, this is not grammatically correct. If you say that there is a 3x difference between the two roads, you CANNOT use "as long as." Remember - "as X as Y" only works if the 2 items are the same - and these two roads are different lengths. You must say "This road is three times longer than that road."
I hope that helps clear things up!
I stand to be corrected, but I'm reasonably confident this advice is incorrect. You absolutely CAN say "three times as long as".
Edit: Here's an example from an OG: https://gmatclub.com/forum/dirt-roads-may-evoke-the-bucolic-simplicity-of-another-century-but-fi-252671.html#p480035I think the confusion may have come from the fact that 'as many as' is used for equalities, and 'more/less than' for comparatives, BUT, "three times as long as", IS an equality. This is an easy mistake that I guess even experts can make!
A is as long as B: The responder says these things have to be equal, which is true. You could write this as "the length of A is equal to the length of B".
The responder missed, however, that either side can be modified so that both sides are equal. For example, the length of A is equal to three times the length of B. This sentence IS an equality. Likewise,
A is three times as long as B, is totally fine.
"This road is three times as long as that road" is totally fine because you are comparing two equal things. The first equal thing is
"this road", and the second equal thing is
triple "that road".
Tracy95 - the difference between your two examples ("this road is three times as long as that road" vs "leopards are many times as rare as pandas") is that the road lengths are equal, as just discussed, BUT the rarity of the pandas are
not equal. In this case you need to use a comparative, as the responder said, because you don't have a firm comparison of two equal things.
To clarify: Road A
= 3 x Road B. Rarity of leopard
> Rarity of panda. This is not equal, all we know is that the rarity of the leopard is MORE than the rarity of the panda.
If the sentence was: "leopards are five times as rare as pandas", this would also be completely fine. In that case, we are still talking about two equal things, not about a greater than or less than.
I hope that helps!
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