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New post 05 Nov 2008, 10:50
ryguy904 wrote:

Just got back from my Duke visit and I'll post more in that specific thread when I get some more time. However, Duke and Darden are on par for workload. Also, I don't think this is really out there because everyone thinks "Team Fuqua" when they think of Duke, but Fuqua is VERY HEAVY on the case method. Not 100%, but darn near close to HBS and Darden. So if one is saying to him/herself, "I'll choose Darden over Duke because I prefer case method" (or I hate case method, so I'll choose Duke), this should not be a deciding factor because the two schools are very similar in this regard.


Actually I did know that several classes at Duke used the case-method. but i dint know that it was closer HBS and Darden. This has been a good discussion. Glad that I started this thread. Now, waiting to be accepted by both the programs to start scratching my head to pick one of them.
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New post 05 Nov 2008, 10:53
Terp: one drives the other.

I understand that the analyst and associate recruiting are different beasts. But it is the same HR team/same school team that does recruiting for both analyst and associates (as an analyst I helped recruit associates).

My point was that stronger undergrad can have an impact on the MBA program's reach. If year by year Goldman recruited 10 more people from Duke than UVA out of undergrad, then over the years Goldman will be filled with many more Dukies. That means Goldman will have a ton more support for Duke.. Don't forget that the Duke undergrads who stay with the firm will drive recruiting and build the Duke brand name within the firm.
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foodstamp wrote:
Terp: one drives the other.

I understand that the analyst and associate recruiting are different beasts. But it is the same HR team/same school team that does recruiting for both analyst and associates (as an analyst I helped recruit associates).

My point was that stronger undergrad can have an impact on the MBA program's reach. If year by year Goldman recruited 10 more people from Duke than UVA out of undergrad, then over the years Goldman will be filled with many more Dukies. That means Goldman will have a ton more support for Duke.. Don't forget that the Duke undergrads who stay with the firm will drive recruiting and build the Duke brand name within the firm.


That is a good point. However, the caliber of kids at Fuqua is very different from the caliber of kids at Duke undergrad. The same thing can be said for many business schools and their respective students.
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New post 05 Nov 2008, 11:00
One other thing that I remember:
Because there are so many Duke alumni, some banks have school specific events such as lunches/dinners etc. Duke definitely had a series of events at my firm, while Darden was lumped into the "Other" category because it wasn't a target core school.

Regardless of whether the firm has a strong undergrad or grad presense... the brand is built and both undergrads and grads benefit.

Additional:
Out of the summer associate class, there were 3 Duke people while only 1 Darden (the class had about 20-22 people total).
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terp06 wrote:
foodstamp wrote:
Terp: one drives the other.

I understand that the analyst and associate recruiting are different beasts. But it is the same HR team/same school team that does recruiting for both analyst and associates (as an analyst I helped recruit associates).

My point was that stronger undergrad can have an impact on the MBA program's reach. If year by year Goldman recruited 10 more people from Duke than UVA out of undergrad, then over the years Goldman will be filled with many more Dukies. That means Goldman will have a ton more support for Duke.. Don't forget that the Duke undergrads who stay with the firm will drive recruiting and build the Duke brand name within the firm.


That is a good point. However, the caliber of kids at Fuqua is very different from the caliber of kids at Duke undergrad. The same thing can be said for many business schools and their respective students.


Yeah I agree with you there. Although Fuque kids benefit from what Duke undergrads have built.
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The heavy on case method part was also surprising......(Can't believe I ovrlooked this part in Duke)....... Maybe you can elaorate on that ry ???

I'll provide a recap on my trip (in the Duke thread) in a little bit. I'm catching up on some work after being "sick" the last two days. ;)
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New post 05 Nov 2008, 11:39
terp06 wrote:
From what I know:

Analyst recruiting: Duke > UVA
Associate recruiting: Darden > Duke


terp, where are you getting your numbers?

Fuqua 2007-08 employment report:
http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/mba_recruitin ... report.pdf

Darden 2007-08 employment report:
http://www.darden.virginia.edu/uploaded ... al0708.pdf

Fuqua full-time IB = 12% of 377 = 45
Darden full-time IB = 15% of 280 = 42

If we are basing this comparison just on number of students placed (which I don't think proves a whole lot), then they are practically equal.
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New post 05 Nov 2008, 12:10
maverick2011 wrote:
terp06 wrote:
From what I know:

Analyst recruiting: Duke > UVA
Associate recruiting: Darden > Duke


terp, where are you getting your numbers?

Fuqua 2007-08 employment report:
http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/mba_recruitin ... report.pdf

Darden 2007-08 employment report:
http://www.darden.virginia.edu/uploaded ... al0708.pdf

Fuqua full-time IB = 12% of 377 = 45
Darden full-time IB = 15% of 280 = 42

If we are basing this comparison just on number of students placed (which I don't think proves a whole lot), then they are practically equal.


I think people use finance generally to mean i-banking. As far as that goes, my friend who is a 1Y at Duke told me that there were 43 people "truly interested" in investment banking and of those, 41 got internships at i-banks (these folks are now 2Y's who interned this past summer). Again, I will post more later, but banking is alive and well at Duke. I'm not sure how many offers will be made, but the big banks (or whomever is left: UBS, CS, Citi, GS, MS, JPM, etc.) are all recruiting Dukies. According to my friend, BofA and JPM sent "armies" to Duke for the information sessions.
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New post 05 Nov 2008, 12:27
maverick2011 wrote:
terp06 wrote:
From what I know:

Analyst recruiting: Duke > UVA
Associate recruiting: Darden > Duke


terp, where are you getting your numbers?

Fuqua 2007-08 employment report:
http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/mba_recruitin ... report.pdf

Darden 2007-08 employment report:
http://www.darden.virginia.edu/uploaded ... al0708.pdf

Fuqua full-time IB = 12% of 377 = 45
Darden full-time IB = 15% of 280 = 42

If we are basing this comparison just on number of students placed (which I don't think proves a whole lot), then they are practically equal.


Based on the data for 2007-08, 49 students at Duke were placed in IB related fields. I m not counting companies such as Amex in this list. The finance recruitment should be better.
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OMG fury of Pelihu.... 8-) ..... Revenge of the Sith....... :P

Originally posted by devansh_god on 05 Nov 2008, 19:48.
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rhyme, you remind me that I should visit the forum more often.
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New post 05 Nov 2008, 20:53
ROFL.... great comment rhyme

i agree

Uchicago > everything
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New post 05 Nov 2008, 23:12
Just to help promote this discussion :)

Was checking US News specialty rankings .

Finance - Duke rated 12 and Darden 21.
Management - Duke 8, Darden 7

Although these rankings dont seem accurate because it rates Duke and Haas above Cornell (i know Terp06 would have something to say abt this).

in my opinion, both the schools are very similar in terms of their finance and GM placements and standing at least in NY and other surrounding regions. Its the international placements and reputation that I am more worried about.
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New post 06 Nov 2008, 05:58
foodstamp wrote:
Pelihu,

I apologize if I offended you, but I think choosing Darden over Duke for finance is absolutely insane. This is my opinion and I am sure that there are others who will agree with me. Again, I am not affiliated with Duke by any means.

I know this isn't what you wanted to hear but don’t shoot the messenger…


I'm not offended because of your conclusion, I'm offended because you are spreading lies based on invalid logic. You say you know nothing about IB recruiting, yet you draw your conclusions based on just your limited knowledge of S&T recruiting at the college level.

1) For example, you say "What I can tell you is that every bulge bracket bank has its own set of recruiting schools known as the core. About 95% of available seats get filled up by students from these schools. Duke is almost always part of this core (I've seen the recruiting process at several banks), while Darden isn't on every list that Duke is on." then draw the conclusion that banks recruit more at Duke than Darden. Wrong, because you know nothing about investment bank recruiting and are basing your thoughts solely on undergrad S&T placements which are a very small part of the finance world.

2) You say you know nothing about IB recruiting, then conclude that that Duke is more highly regarded on Wall Street? How can you possibly conclude this. By and large, when people talk about Wall Street here they are talking about Investment Banking. When people talk about S&T they say so specifically. An to conclude that S&T = Finance as you have is just stupid.

So, I'm not angry at you because you've reached a different conclusion. I am mad at you because you are spreading lies based on faulty logic.
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New post 06 Nov 2008, 11:26
Also, if you go to Duke, you run the risk of being associated, however loosely, with the Cameron Crazies, college basketball's least photogenic (yet most filmed) fans. Irony...

Lastly, Durham has got to be in the running for worst city in America.
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My 2 cents in this splitting-your-hair argument.

i) UVa and Duke almost get equal recognition for analyst recruiting. McIntire is #2 on BW but then Duke is a higher ranked school.

ii) Darden is not an 'other' school by any definition. It is very much a network school and will get your foot in the door in finance (both IB and S&T).
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New post 06 Nov 2008, 22:45
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I think you are both wrong, and you should just go to Chicago.

Here's a list of firms that hired from Chicago this year:

1. "Joe's Crab Shak and Steakhouse", located on the first floor of the Lehman Brothers Building
2. "Equities in Dallas", a strip joint located on i-95 near Chase Manhattan's nighttime IT operations building.
3. "Barbarians At The Gate", a street ice cream vendor located just off fifth street near BOA.
4. "Brokers' R uS", a low volume broker-dealer with two offices in Tajikistan and southern new guinea.
5. "Gordon Gecko", a discount pet store in Austin, TX.

You shouldn't be wasting your time with these other "wannabe" programs. As we say round here,

If you wanna get down with the WACC
the only place to be
is at the mother (!@#(!@ GSB!


Haha, I was never considering Chicago GSB...until now.
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Originally posted by lordw on 08 Jan 2010, 03:17.
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New post 08 Jan 2010, 08:47
Wow. I missed this back in the day.

Foodstamp may be right at UG level , and is certainly right that they pick people from all sorts of ridiculous backgrounds to go into S&T and then try and teach a history major how to do math.

That said, I don't think Duke has anywhere near the big deal with getting MBA's into S&T. I wouldn't know whether to say it is better or worse than Darden (from my personal experience Darden seemed about more, but Duke's people were always way more fun and less serious). Mind, doing an MBA to get into S&T is a strange fish - I always got the feeling Darden was a priority over Duke.

That said, I rarely met any people from Chicago as they were all to busy feeding roosters and working the grind in Gary, Indiana.
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Duke is a virtual unknown in undergraduate business rankings. The suggestion that Duke is more highly regarded that UVA McIntire on Wall Street is ludicrous. Absolutely insane.

Just to clarify, Duke does not have a business undergraduate program. However, Duke UG is a core school for IB recruitment, like much of the Ivies. I don't know enough about UVA UG to speak.

Either way, we are comparing apples to oranges. UG != MBA. At the MBA level, Fuqua and Darden are about equal for IB recruitment. But I mean, if you really want to go to IB, probably better to go to one of the more quant schools. The general interest in IB at Fuqua just isn't as high as it is in schools like Booth, which probably explains the lower placement.
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