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20 Feb 2013, 11:30
I went in for C too , but after reading in the responses.. alright B it is. But, isn't it easy to justify an answer when u know it is right ? I m so worried coz i would any day pick C . No ways i would pick the B on my exam
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09 Aug 2013, 01:47
I thought it would be C...but then going through the posts here B looks like the winner..
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09 Aug 2013, 10:42
grepro wrote:
Ellen: All three of Shirley's children have the measles!
Lois: As a matter of fact, all three of Shirley's children are fine!

Accepting the assumption that nobody who has measles is fine, which of the following must be true about this exchange?

(A) It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are right about Shirley's children.
(B) It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are mistaken about Shirley's children.
(C) Either Ellen is right about Shirley's children, or Lois is right about them, but they cannot both be right.
(D) Ellen and Lois might both be right about Shirley's children, and they might both be wrong about them.
(E) None of these alternatives correctly identifies the possibilities for this scenario.

If there is an answer choice 'Ellen' is wrong and Lois is right... should it be the correct answer? Please help me understand.
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09 Aug 2013, 10:49
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grepro wrote:
Ellen: All three of Shirley's children have the measles!
Lois: As a matter of fact, all three of Shirley's children are fine!

Accepting the assumption that nobody who has measles is fine, which of the following must be true about this exchange?

(A) It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are right about Shirley's children.
(B) It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are mistaken about Shirley's children.
(C) Either Ellen is right about Shirley's children, or Lois is right about them, but they cannot both be right.
(D) Ellen and Lois might both be right about Shirley's children, and they might both be wrong about them.
(E) None of these alternatives correctly identifies the possibilities for this scenario.

If there is an answer choice 'Ellen' is wrong and Lois is right... should it be the correct answer? Please help me understand.

no that will be wrong option .

here question is MUST BE TRUE.

see option B covers every possibility.

b) It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are mistaken about Shirley's children.
it says that it is POSSIBLE (means not 100 %) that both are mistaken.
POSSIBLE ==>plays the key role.
it covers: both are wrong
both are right
or either one is wrong and either one right ..hence this is true.

as per your choice:
'Ellen' is wrong and Lois is right.==>you are giving only one case....==>you are leaving the remaining possiblity.

hope i made it clear.
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30 Oct 2013, 07:50
Question stem states this: nobody who has measles is fine (Implying, people with measles are not fine.). We have to contradict this.

Ans. B - Children don,t have measles and they are not fine. (Contradiction that we are looking for!) correct Ans.

Ans. C - (Both of this support the assumption)
1. Children have measles and are not fine. or
2. Children don,t have measles and are fine.

Correct Ans. Choice - B
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30 Oct 2013, 10:11
Imo B, for the following reason:

The cases that are presented for the children are that they either A) have measels or B) are fine. All we are told is that children cannot be fine AND have measels. The important information is what is NOT said. It does not qualify what is entailed in being "fine" other than that one cannot be fine and have measels. It follows, then, that it is possible to not be fine but also not to have measels. That is how both ladies could be wrong. C is not a good answer because of the possibility that the children could be not fine for some other reason but could also not have measels.

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30 Oct 2013, 10:18
Definitely B.

The assumption says "anybody who has measles is not fine". However, it doesn't mean that anybody who does not have measles is fine. He/she may have some other disease.
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11 Nov 2013, 11:57
went with C......but after reading the comments B is indeed correct...
quite a tricky question.....would have picked C in the exam without second thoughts.
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21 Nov 2013, 08:51
grepro wrote:
Ellen: All three of Shirley's children have the measles!
Lois: As a matter of fact, all three of Shirley's children are fine!

Accepting the assumption that nobody who has measles is fine, which of the following must be true about this exchange?

(A) It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are right about Shirley's children.
(B) It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are mistaken about Shirley's children.
(C) Either Ellen is right about Shirley's children, or Lois is right about them, but they cannot both be right.
(D) Ellen and Lois might both be right about Shirley's children, and they might both be wrong about them.
(E) None of these alternatives correctly identifies the possibilities for this scenario.

Good One what about the Shirley' have more than three children. Say He/ she have 6 children then both E& L were right at the same time ?

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11 Dec 2013, 01:21
Initially picked C but later understood the possibility that if either one or two of the children have measles, then both E and L's statements could be wrong. Hence B is my second pick.

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13 Dec 2013, 07:03
Lets see what can be the different cases in such scenario-
case 1 : all three have measles -> Ellen is true and Lois is false
case 2 : all three dont have measles and no other disease -> Lois is true and Ellen is fase
case 3: All three or some have disease other than measles, then they (or those some) are not fine. -> both Ellen and Lois are false
Both cant be true at the same time for sure.
Only option B suggest this. I am though little skpetical about option E. But somehow go with B because this option entails the scenario that can be correct. However, this option do not covers all scenario.. I think thats why the option starts with "It is possible" that makes B a strong contender over E.
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20 Feb 2014, 12:54
c first ..then b ...

the childeren may have some other illness rather than measles.. which makes them both wrong/
coz of this possibility , c is deadly wrong
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01 Mar 2014, 07:54
How do we know both El & Lois are talking about the same Shirley? It is possible that they know two Shirleys and BOTH are right... hence A.
BUT this is a "must be true" question, so B seems right. Good explanations everybody.
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25 Oct 2015, 05:29
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b).It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are mistaken about Shirley's children.

1.Ellen: All three of Shirley's children have the measles!----> If this is true then the children are not fine.Then Lois is false
2.Ellen: All three of Shirley's children have the measles!----> If this is false then the children are fine.Then Lois is true
3.Lois: As a matter of fact, all three of Shirley's children are fine!--->If this is true then the children don't have measles.Then Ellen is false
4.Lois: As a matter of fact, all three of Shirley's children are fine!--->If this is false then the children may have measles or they are not fine because of some other reason.Still Ellen can be false. So the best possibility is they both can be wrong.
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04 Dec 2015, 02:47
B is the correct answer.Because if we assume that 02 or 01 of the children have measles then other options will break except B which is always ture.
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04 Dec 2015, 02:57
B is the correct answer.Because if we assume that 02 or 01 of the children have/has measles then other options will break except B which is always ture.
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06 Dec 2015, 09:38
B must be correct.
Suppose, all three of Shirley's children have Malaria.
Now, try all the options. Only B still holds. C falls apart.

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30 Jan 2016, 06:03
OA B is Right. OA says "there is a possibility that both are wrong". Yes there is a possibility. Consider all 3 children may not have measles but are not fine due to other reasons. Where as C is not willing to take this into consideration. C says one of them has to be correct which is not true.
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26 Jun 2016, 02:38
I went with D. Assumption = They both might be talking about 2 different Shirley's, both of whom have 3 children.

Is this a GMAT question at all? If yes, what's wrong with my assumption since it is not clearly mentioned.

grepro wrote:
Ellen: All three of Shirley's children have the measles!
Lois: As a matter of fact, all three of Shirley's children are fine!

Accepting the assumption that nobody who has measles is fine, which of the following must be true about this exchange?

(A) It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are right about Shirley's children.
(B) It is possible that both Ellen and Lois are mistaken about Shirley's children.
(C) Either Ellen is right about Shirley's children, or Lois is right about them, but they cannot both be right.
(D) Ellen and Lois might both be right about Shirley's children, and they might both be wrong about them.
(E) None of these alternatives correctly identifies the possibilities for this scenario.
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