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Even their most ardent champions concede that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary before solar cells can meet the goal of providing one percent of the nation’s energy needs.

(A) that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary
(B) that nothing other than a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed
(C) that a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary
(D) the necessity for an occurrence of a technical or scientific breakthrough
(E) the necessity for a technical or scientific breakthrough occurring

In this problem, I chose B, but the OA is C. What makes C better than B?

C is the best choice. The word that functions grammatically to introduce the clause that describes the point that champions of solar cells concede.

Choices A and B needlessly lengthen the statement by expressing the idea through negation: no less than and nothing other than could be dropped without loss of meaning.

In D and E, the preposition for is less idiomatic than of in expressing necessity.

Futhermore, both choices present an awkward and wordy noun-plus-prepositional phrase instead of a that clause that would express meaning more exactly and concisely.

https://www.nytimes.com/1979/12/11/archives/despite-problems-solar-cell-advances-despite-problems-solar-cell.html

Even their most ardent champions concede that nothing short of a materials or manufacturing breakthrough is needed before solar cells can meet President Carter's goal of providing 1 percent of national energy — the equivalent of 500,000 barrels of oil a day — by the end of the century.

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Is the use of "No less than..." always wordy, thus wrong?

C is simple and perfect. Can anyone please explain, Are other options grammatically sound?


"No less than" is not wordy - "No less than the power of 5 horses is required to move this chariot."... correct.

D and E are wrong: concede the necessity is wrong usage.

A is wrong because technical or scientific breakthrough is not a measurable quantity - hence "less than" does not apply.

B is grammatically alright, but in the context of the sentence "nothing other than" is awkward. It implies that there are other things that had some chance to be needed, but ultimately "breakthrough" is the only one that is needed.
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ahh..

this is where i start to lose GMAT.

For me, A and B have different meaning and intention than C.
"no less than A" is not equal to "A" for me. The spirit of the sentence is to impart a sense of urgency and re-iterate the fact that efforts may be put in place, but the efforts will not succed unless they reach a certain level.

On the other hand, C seems to indicate that "a technical breakthrough is necessary", but does not address the fact that there may be efforts in place which may not be classified as technical breakthroughs, and therefore will fail.

anyone else see it this way?
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Struck between A and C

(A) hat no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary (No less than verbose – "necessary" implies it or serves this purpose – Eliminate it)

(B) that nothing other than a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed (needed – Tense Change - Eliminate)

(C) that a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary (Hold it)

(D) the necessity for an occurrence of a technical or scientific breakthrough (Grammatically Correct – But verbose – Eliminate it)

(E) the necessity for a technical or scientific breakthrough occurring (Why to make it a present continuous tense – Eliminate it)
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Can you provide reasons to eliminate options A and B. (I chose option A)

(B) isn't really logical.

    (B) that nothing other than a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed before solar cells can meet the goal ...

The version created via the use of (B) conveys that, before solar cells can meet the goal, nothing other than a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed.

That meaning is a bit off. So, after solar cells can meet the goal, other things will be needed, but before solar cells can meet the goal, only one of two things, a technical breakthrough or a scientific breakthrough, is needed, not water, not air, nothing else is needed?

Regarding (A), I guess it has a few unnecessary words. Do we really need "no less than"? I'm not sure. (A) conveys a meaning a bit different from that conveyed by (C). (A) seems to convey that something as significant as a a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed, while (C) conveys that a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed. Are there other things that might be sufficient? Probably not. So, one could argue that the use of "no less than" is unnecessary and, perhaps, a bit illogical, but really, (C) is not so clearly better than (A), and this question is not very high quality.

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Even their most ardent champions concede that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary before solar cells can meet the goal of providing one percent of the nation’s energy needs.

(A) that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary

(B) that nothing other than a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed

(C) that a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary

(D) the necessity for an occurrence of a technical or scientific breakthrough

(E) the necessity for a technical or scientific breakthrough occurring




In this problem, I chose B, but the OA is C. What makes C better than B?
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B is awkward ans wordy: nothing other is a bad negative form for C, which is plain and has a positive meaning. always prefer positive forms!
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"no less than a scientific break through is necessary" has the same meaning that "a scientific break through is neccessary" has. Why not make the sentence shorter and more concise?
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choices can be narrowed down to AC. C is more succinct. It might appear the C is changing the meaning but in reality its not. When we say ‘no less than’, we are saying ‘equal or more’. The sentence in option C has the correct meaning by removing ‘the more’ part.
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I don't agree that C has different meaning than A and B.

If anything "less than" (A) or "not a" (B) breakthrough is not acceptable, why not just say that in the sentence and concisely state what IS necessary.

I choose C.
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(A) that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary
(B) that nothing other than a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed
(C) that a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary

(A) No less than 100$ is needed
(B) Nothing other than 100$ is needed
(C) 100$ is needed

I think, (B) and (C) convey the same meaning, where as (A) conveys different meaning (anything >= 100$ is fine)

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I'm stuck between A & C.
Logically, in A, 'No less' would mean equal to or greater than.
and in C, it says a technical breakthrough or a scientific breakthrough is needed. (logically implying only equal to.)

Wouldn't that change the meaning?

I agree, TheGuyDangerous. However, you have to keep in mind that all you can take as gospel in a Sentence Correction question is the non-underlined part. In this sentence, we have

Even their most ardent champions concede... before solar cells can meet the goal of providing one percent of the nation’s energy needs.

You have to ask yourself, what is being conceded, exactly? Compare the two answer choices in question:

(A) that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary
(C) that a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary

The phrasing is identical, except for the highlighted part in (A), which you have already noted. Now you have to consider whether it is absolutely necessary for no less than to be included to convey the vital meaning that it would take a breakthrough to meet the goal... You should be able to see that although the extra phrase adds emphasis, similar to what you might see in a stylized headline, it does not add anything necessary to understand the point that its stripped-down counterpart does not. I would expect to see a generic, none-too-helpful "wordy" given as an explanation in the OG, but what it really comes down to is expression of vital information. Choice (C) is simply better to that end.

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I will go for A. but C is more precise and slightly changes the meaning of the sentence..

After all, on the D Day, What ever it is, Gmat is correct
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I will go for A. but C is more precise and slightly changes the meaning of the sentence..

After all, on the D Day, What ever it is, Gmat is correct


Сorrect !

this question is from OG 10th. #242.

Explanations:
C is the best choice. The word that functions grammatically to introduce the clause that describes the point that champions of solar cells concede. Choices A and B needlessly lengthen the statement by expressing the idea through negation: no less than and nothing other than could be dropped without loss of meaning. In D and E, the preposition/or is less idiomatic than o/in expressing necessity. Furthermore, both choices present an awkward and wordy noun-plus-prepositional phrase instead of a that clause that would express meaning more exactly and concisely.

One thing what I du not understand is it necessary to use "for" aftrer the word "necessary" in C?

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Even their most ardent champions concede that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary before solar cells can meet the goal of providing one percent of the nation’s energy needs.

(A) that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary

(B) that nothing other than a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed

(C) that a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary

(D) the necessity for an occurrence of a technical or scientific breakthrough

(E) the necessity for a technical or scientific breakthrough occurring




In this problem, I chose B, but the OA is C. What makes C better than B?
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Its C !!

Reasoning as follows :

first deconstruct the sentence in its smaller dependent clauses or independent clauses

Dependent Clause 1 - Even their most ardent champions concede < Subject is their, Verb is Conceded >

Dependent Clause 2 - that no less < that subject ...Verb - absent >

Dependent Clause 3 - than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary[/u] before solar cells can meet the goal of providing one percent of the nation’s energy needs. < Subject - A technical & scientific breakthrough, Verb - is necessary >

Now Structure of Complete sentence is DC1+DC2+DC3 = 1 IC

In this DC2 : lacks verb because of which it is wrong in A & B

In C : 2 Dc are connected by that , to make 1 IC, thus most appropiate andwer.

Tip : In case of confusion, always deconstruct sentence into its main & sub clauses.

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Is the use of "No less than..." always wordy, thus wrong?

C is simple and perfect. Can anyone please explain, Are other options grammatically sound?
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Even their most ardent champions concede that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary before solar cells can meet the goal of providing one percent of the nation’s energy needs.

(A) that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary
(B) that nothing other than a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed
(C) that a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary
(D) the necessity for an occurrence of a technical or scientific breakthrough
(E) the necessity for a technical or scientific breakthrough occurring


Answer ExplanationC is the best choice.

The word that functions grammatically to introduce the clause that describes the point that champions of solar cells concede.

Choices A and B needlessly lengthen the statement by expressing the idea through negation: no less than and nothing other than could be dropped without loss of meaning.

In D and E, the preposition for is less idiomatic than of in expressing necessity. Futhermore, both choices present an awkward and wordy noun-plus-prepositional phrase instead of a that clause that would express meaning more exactly and concisely.
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this is where i start to lose GMAT.

For me, A and B have different meaning and intention than C.
"no less than A" is not equal to "A" for me. The spirit of the sentence is to impart a sense of urgency and re-iterate the fact that efforts may be put in place, but the efforts will not succed unless they reach a certain level.

On the other hand, C seems to indicate that "a technical breakthrough is necessary", but does not address the fact that there may be efforts in place which may not be classified as technical breakthroughs, and therefore will fail.

anyone else see it this way?


While I ended up choosing C based on grammar, I do see your point my friend!

Usually, such issues are more common among non-official questions, but as it seems even the GMAC is prone to create such potentially confusing questions.
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Even their most ardent champions concede that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary before solar cells can meet the goal of providing one percent of the nation’s energy needs.

Can you please help me to understand whether the use of "no less than" is incorrect in the question statement?
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Even their most ardent champions concede that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary before solar cells can meet the goal of providing one percent of the nation’s energy needs.

(A) that no less than a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary
(B) that nothing other than a technical or scientific breakthrough is needed
(C) that a technical or scientific breakthrough is necessary
(D) the necessity for an occurrence of a technical or scientific breakthrough- idiom issue - the necessity of
(E) the necessity for a technical or scientific breakthrough occurring - idiom issue - the necessity of

The explanation provided is-"Choices A and B needlessly lengthen the statement by expressing the idea through negation: no less than and nothing other than could be dropped without loss of meaning." ---> I don't think 'no less than A or B' is the same as 'A or B '.
Can you provide reasons to eliminate options A and B. (I chose option A)

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nahid78 wrote:
Is the use of "No less than..." always wordy, thus wrong?

C is simple and perfect. Can anyone please explain, Are other options grammatically sound?


"No less than" is not wordy - "No less than the power of 5 horses is required to move this chariot."... correct.

D and E are wrong: concede the necessity is wrong usage.

A is wrong because technical or scientific breakthrough is not a measurable quantity - hence "less than" does not apply.

B is grammatically alright, but in the context of the sentence "nothing other than" is awkward. It implies that there are other things that had some chance to be needed, but ultimately "breakthrough" is the only one that is needed.


Hi sayantanc2k correct me if i'm wrong but less than is correctly used with an uncountable noun. I used this post for reference: https://gmatclub.com/forum/fewer-vs-less-180587.html.

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