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Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to acupuncture, some showing increased flexibility, while others did not.

(A) some showing increased flexibility, while others did not

(B) with some showing increased flexibility, while others did not

(C) with some showing an increase in flexibility and others did not

(D) some showing an increase in flexibility, while others not

(E) with some showing increased flexibility and others not

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Solution: E

Explanation: In this type of sentence correction problem you need to focus on parallelism and verb form. At the end of the sentence, if you say “did not” you should ask “did not” what? The general rule is that there needs to be a verb that is being replaced by “did”. In this example, there isn’t a verb, just a participle, so the structure would not be parallel: You cannot say “some showing this, while others did not show this” or “some showing this and others did not show this” As a result, (A), (B), and (C) are all incorrect.

In (D), you would need a complete clause after while with a comma and all you have is “while others not showing”

Only (E) creates a parallel structure with two participles following nouns after the preposition “with” (the second participle is understood): “with some showing this and others not showing this”

Answer is (E).

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/ask-well-do-we-need-to-stretch/

Some have had young, healthy volunteers stretch for 20 minutes or more, others for 5 minutes or less. Still others have used older, stiffer volunteers or people with existing injuries. Not surprisingly, the results have been inconsistent. Even within the same study, people respond quite differently to stretching, with some showing increased flexibility and others not.
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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   20 May 2013, 20:36
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The problem as I see here is not with the use of the prepositional modifier ‘with”. Even an absolute modifier will be good enough and even may be better sometimes because of leanness. For example, the following versions are perfectly acceptable
A. Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to acupuncture, some showing increased flexibility, while others not.(not showing)
D. Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to acupuncture, some showing an increase in flexibility (generally good enough, but not in the given context), while others not.

But the problem with A is with grammar that we are trying to couple a participle with a working verb; this is not parallel. In the case of D, there is distortion of meaning. Increased flexibility is different from an increase in flexibility. An increase in flexibility in some cases may even be an on- going thing, whereas increased flexibility is something that may be already increased and not be increasing any more. This subtlety makes D infidel to the original intent of the text in question. So, A and D are out.
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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   16 May 2013, 07:09
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manu974100 wrote:
Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to acupuncture, some showing increased flexibility, while others did not.


"did not" is incorrect because it is not congruent with "showing", which is a continuous verb form (even if used as a participle here). "Did not" illogically refers to "responded". On this basis we eliminate A, B, and C.

d)some showing an increase in flexibility, while others not.
"Increase in flexibility" is not the same as the original "increased flexibility".
(I am not sure if "with" is needed here as you claim. I would not regard it incorrect. Please explain.)
This AC does not sound idiomatically.
e)with some showing increased flexibility and others not.
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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   29 Jul 2013, 19:27
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vibhav wrote:
pqhai, thanks. Could you elaborate on use of coordinating conjunctions? E-gmat write up says independent clauses should be connected using ,+fanboys construction. (For, and, nor,..)


Hi vibhav

I'm happy to share.

Coordinating conjunctions join equals to one another (words to words / phrases to phrases / clauses to clauses)
For example:
* words to words: I love both POP and Rock music.
* phrases to phrases: Volcanoes are usually be observed near Hawaiian islands or Japanese islands volcanic arc.
* clauses to clauses: What you think and what you do are different.

Subordinating conjunctions join two clauses together, they make one clause dependent (or "subordinate") upon the other.
For example:
I was eating pizza, while my mother was eating noodle.

In short, coordinating conjunctions (FANBOYS) are more flexible than subordinating conjunctions.

Hope it helps a bit.
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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   13 Jun 2013, 04:00
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Hi guys,

I think use of with is not even an issue!

1)clearly "show+ing" increased flexibility & "did not show" are not parallel.
thus we can eliminate the options with "did".

2)D & E are left with us, we cannot eliminate them on the basis of "with".

here I think, there is a small & subtle difference=> "People" is the subject, thus people can show "Flexibility" either increased or decreased or little etc but people cannot show "an increase", this can be shown by a study or a survey or a result.

then, E it is!!!

this is how I interpreted it, please correct me if I am wrong!!

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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   10 Aug 2018, 13:01
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Prateek176 wrote:
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A,B and C are easy to eliminate. Why is choice E preferred over D?? Both seem very similar

From the above explanations, "increased flexibility" seems to be preferred over "increase in flexibility". I don't understand why?

Hi Prateek176!

Happy to help :-) You're right that they are very similar!

The problem with D is not "increase in flexibility", it is "while". "While" is a subordinating conjunction, so it needs to be followed by a clause (subject + verb). Here, we have "while others not", which is not a complete clause, since there is no verb. If we don't have a complete clause, then we need to use a coordinating conjunction ("and", "but", "yet", "for", "so"...) instead. Since E uses "and", which is a coordinating conjunction and so does not need to be followed by a clause, it is correct :-)

Hope that helps! :-)
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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   28 Jul 2013, 07:40
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Guys, the OE says: ' Explanation: In this type of sentence correction problem you need to focus on parallelism and verb form. At the end of the sentence, if you say “did not” you should ask “did not” what? The general rule is that there needs to be a verb that is being replaced by “did”. In this example, there isn’t a verb, just a participle, so the structure would not be parallel: You cannot say “some showing this, while others did not show this” or “some showing this and others did not show this” As a result, (A), (B), and (C) are all incorrect. In (D), you would need a complete clause after while with a comma and all you have is “while others not showing” Only (E) creates a parallel structure with two participles following nouns after the preposition “with” (the second participle is understood): “with some showing this and others not showing this” Answer is (E). '

Any idea whats the logic of while and comma need a clause?
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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   10 Jun 2015, 02:51
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a)some showing increased flexibility, while others did not (showing increased flexibility) --- Not parallel and awkward

b)with some showing increased flexibility, while others did not (showing increased flexibility) --- Not parallel and awkward

c) with some showing an increase in flexibility and others did not (showing increased flexibility) --- Not parallel and awkward

d)some showing an increase in flexibility, while others not. (showing an increase in flexibility) > this correct but meaning changed

>Intended meaning --- some people have shown increased flexibility { Let's say flexibility increased by 50%) and others haven't

>Distorted meaning in option "D" --- some people are showing an increase {ongoing} but this is not the intended meaning

e)with some showing increased flexibility and others not. (some showing increased flexibility)
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Prateek176 wrote:
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A,B and C are easy to eliminate. Why is choice E preferred over D?? Both seem very similar

From the above explanations, "increased flexibility" seems to be preferred over "increase in flexibility". I don't understand why?


D) some showing an increase in flexibility, while others not.

There is an issue with "increase in flexibility" in D.

"some" is plural".

"an increase in flexibility" is singular.

So, if read literally, D conveys that multiple people, "some", showed ONE increase in flexibility, as if a bunch of people shared this one increase in flexibility.

To make sense, D would have to use the plural "increases" and say, "some showing increases in flexibility".

E) with some showing increased flexibility and others not.

In E, this issue is avoided, as "increased flexibility" is not countable. So, there is no plural version, and thus, "increased flexibility" is fine with "some".

Also, the meaning conveyed by "increased flexibility" is probably a bit more appropriate than the meaning conveyed by "an increase in flexibility". I doubt that the speaker means to convey that some people showed "an increase", in other words, "one increase", in flexibility. Probably the point is that with acupuncture, maybe multiple treatments, people showed "increased flexibility".

Originally posted by MartyTargetTestPrep on 10 Aug 2018, 15:30.
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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   29 Jul 2013, 01:35
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vibhav wrote:
Guys, the OE says: ' Explanation: In this type of sentence correction problem you need to focus on parallelism and verb form. At the end of the sentence, if you say “did not” you should ask “did not” what? The general rule is that there needs to be a verb that is being replaced by “did”. In this example, there isn’t a verb, just a participle, so the structure would not be parallel: You cannot say “some showing this, while others did not show this” or “some showing this and others did not show this” As a result, (A), (B), and (C) are all incorrect. In (D), you would need a complete clause after while with a comma and all you have is “while others not showing” Only (E) creates a parallel structure with two participles following nouns after the preposition “with” (the second participle is understood): “with some showing this and others not showing this” Answer is (E). '

Any idea whats the logic of while and comma need a clause?


Hi vibhav.

In this question, WHILE is "subordinating conjunction". Subordinating conjunctions join two clauses together. Thus, if you use "while", two clauses are required to make a sentence grammatical. Otherwise, you should use "coordinating conjunction" (and, but, so, yet, for...). Thus E is better than D, and is correct.

Hope it's clear.
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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   22 Apr 2017, 11:45
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Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to acupuncture, some showing increased flexibility, while others did not.

A) some showing increased flexibility, while others did not.
B) with some showing increased flexibility, while others did not.
C) with some showing an increase in flexibility and others did not.
D) some showing an increase in flexibility, while others not.
E) with some showing increased flexibility and others not.


Can anyone please explain the use of "with" in SC?


"With" is used to introduce a prepositional phrase modifier.Prepositional phrase modifiers can be used in 2 ways:
1. Noun modifier: Chicken with rice is my favorite food.
2. Verb modifier: I cannot repair this table, at least with this tool.
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Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to acupuncture, some showing increased flexibility, while others did not.

a)some showing increased flexibility, while others did not.

b)with some showing increased flexibility, while others did not.

c) with some showing an increase in flexibility and others did not.

d)some showing an increase in flexibility, while others not.

e)with some showing increased flexibility and others not.

With is required in the answer choice, so A D are removed.
While is required for contrast, so i removed C E out of the remaining and was left with B as the answer choice
IMO the answer should be B

Can you please post the OE and the source of the problem ...


I got E... but it was really tough.

I eliminated A and D for the same reason you did.

I then eliminated B and C because an ING form + and =/ did.
(others did not showing ... doesn't make sense... however simply having "others not showing" works)

I think the contrast is nice but not necessary.
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I do not know whether i am correct or not but i feel that .......
The underlined portion is a modifier modifying the verb "reponded", hence a preposition phrase or clause must be used...hence B,C and E remains...."did " is past form but showing is not a past form, hence eliminate B and C
E is the best answer

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why do we need "with"?

I do not think we need "with"

this is a tough and unofficial question. study with caution.
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Re: Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to [#permalink] New post   08 Aug 2015, 09:12
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vibhav wrote:
Guys, the OE says: ' Explanation: In this type of sentence correction problem you need to focus on parallelism and verb form. At the end of the sentence, if you say “did not” you should ask “did not” what? The general rule is that there needs to be a verb that is being replaced by “did”. In this example, there isn’t a verb, just a participle, so the structure would not be parallel: You cannot say “some showing this, while others did not show this” or “some showing this and others did not show this” As a result, (A), (B), and (C) are all incorrect. In (D), you would need a complete clause after while with a comma and all you have is “while others not showing” Only (E) creates a parallel structure with two participles following nouns after the preposition “with” (the second participle is understood): “with some showing this and others not showing this” Answer is (E). '

Any idea whats the logic of while and comma need a clause?


Hi vibhav.

In this question, WHILE is "subordinating conjunction". Subordinating conjunctions join two clauses together. Thus, if you use "while", two clauses are required to make a sentence grammatical. Otherwise, you should use "coordinating conjunction" (and, but, so, yet, for...). Thus E is better than D, and is correct.

Hope it's clear.



Can you elaborate bit more why E is better.

Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to acupuncture, some showing an increase in flexibility, while others not [showing increase in flexibility]

It has clause on both side, isn't it ?


Please note that the ones you pointed out are NOT clauses but phrases.

A clause should contain a" working" verb and a subject.
Do not mistake the -ing form of verb for a "working" verb.

Here showing is used as an adjective , that is, a modifier - giving extra info. about some and others...

A clause would look like the following-

some showed an increased in flexibility , while others did not ( show ).

Here, showed is past form of the verb show. BUT such usage in the above sentence would require a conjunction before some.

Hope the above helps.

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The group of words after "While" is not a clause - Clause requires sub and verb. "Showing" is not a verb as it is not preceded by is, am,are etc.
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A,B and C are easy to eliminate. Why is choice E preferred over D?? Both seem very similar

From the above explanations, "increased flexibility" seems to be preferred over "increase in flexibility". I don't understand why?
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Tamalmallick13 First, not all -ing words are gerunds. A gerund is an -ing word used as a noun, and "showing" is not a noun here. Rather, it's a present participle serving to modify "some." Using -ing words to modify nouns in this way is quite common:

I ran down the street, with my dog running behind me.
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Hello experts,
A prompt question about answer choice B , I was wondering how is the proper way of doing the test of replacing the "did" , to see if the sentence makes sense.
"While others did not respond" OR "while others responded not" so the correct way of conducting the test is by replacing did with the verb or by putting it next to did ?

Hello again, UNSTOPPABLE12. Of the two choices you listed, unless you are speaking or writing in a stylistic manner for some purpose (perhaps imitating Yoda-speak), there would be no context in which you would use the latter construct. If you work around did in choice (B), you get the following:

Even within the same study, people responded quite differently to acupuncture, with some showing increased flexibility, while others did not show increased flexibility.

You cannot eliminate did and retain the negation of the sentence within the while construct, unless you changed the sentence a bit: while others showed no such increase (or something similar). Otherwise, you could replace did in the following manner:

... with some showing increased flexibility, with others not [showing increased flexibility].

English is atypical among world languages in its adoption of a separate verb, to do, to negate an original action. It does not really make sense to do so, but that is what history has passed down to us.

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No, that proposed rule is not a thing. Here's an official example where the construction they're decrying is used correctly: https://gmatclub.com/forum/starfish-wit ... l#p1084777

As for D, it definitely won't fly. After "while," we need an action. We can't just say "while others not." Although "while" certainly does not always refer to two actual simultaneous actions--sometimes it just shows contrasting ideas--it is still used grammatically as if the two things described are both events.
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