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Hi EMPOWERgmatRichC

Could you please provide your comments on this.

I want to know what is the issue with option B?


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The argument states that everyone who has graduated from Top Notch High school has an IQ over 120. "B" states that if a person is a high school graduate and has an IQ of 100, he or she could not have been a student at Top Notch High school. The case might be that this student studied in Top Notch High school for a while and the then shifted to some other school from where he graduated. In that case the conclusion does not hold. Hence "B" cannot be a possible answer
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Everyone who has graduated from TopNotch High School has an intelligence quotient (IQ) of over 120. Most students with an IQ of over 120 and all students with an IQ of over 150 who apply to one or more Ivy League universities are accepted to at least one of them.

The statements above, if true, best support which of the following conclusions?

1]Every graduate of TopNotch High School with an IQ of 150 has been accepted to at least one Ivy-League school.
2]If a person is a high-school graduate and has an IQ of less than 100, he or she could not have been a student at TopNotch High School.
3]If a person has an IQ of 130 and is attending an Ivy-League school, it is possible for him or her to have graduated from TopNotch High School.
4]At least one graduate from TopNotch high school who has applied to at least one Ivy-League university has been accepted to one of them.
5]If a high-school graduate has an IQ of 150 and is not attending an Ivy-League school, then he or she did not apply to one of them.


A; wrong, how about if T graduates don't apply?
B; wrong, they can be T student and they may quit in the halfway
C; correct, pay attention to "it is possible"
D; wrong, it can happen that only 5 T graduates with IQ just over 120 apply and none of them is accepted. (pay attention to "most"
E; wrong, it is possible that they are accepted, but they have better choices. So they applied but went to another school.

Correct me if i am wrong.
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Hi EMPOWERgmatRichC

Could you please provide your comments on this.

I want to know what is the issue with option B?


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Hi PathFinder007,

This is an Inference question. To be 100% clear on our assignment with this question, we have to be able to look at the correct option and say, "yup, I know that for an absolute fact."

Let's pull up the salient points:
Everyone who has graduated from TopNotch High School has an intelligence quotient (IQ) of over 120. Most students with an IQ of over 120 and all students with an IQ of over 150 who apply to one or more Ivy League universities are accepted to at least one of them.

The statements above, if true, best support which of the following conclusions?

B) If a person is a high-school graduate and has an IQ of less than 100, he or she could not have been a student at TopNotch High School.

Is it possible that TopNotch could have had STUDENTS (not graduates) with IQs of less than 100? Yes. From the information we're given, we can't rule out that possibility. For all we know, TopNotch could have had a student with a 99 IQ who got booted from the program and never graduated. That means we have to get rid of option B.

Bigger Picture: There's a reason why this question is rated at a 95% difficulty quotient. The granularity of these options, particularly B, reaches an unusual level.
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Contenders are C and D
C]If a person has an IQ of 130 and is attending an Ivy-League school, it is possible for him or her to have graduated from TopNotch High School.
>>> This is possible, and if you assign value of probability , this statement has a chance 1 or 100%

D]At least one graduate from TopNotch high school who has applied to at least one Ivy-League university has been accepted to one of them.
>>> Nothing wrong with the statement, except the probability is less than 1 or 100%
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[], your explanations for this one are great! People still seem a little confused on A and D, so let's look at those one more time.

A) Every graduate of TopNotch High School with an IQ of 150 has been accepted to at least one Ivy-League school.

We can't conclude that every graduate of TopNotch with a 150+ IQ has APPLIED to an Ivy-League school. If they apply, the argument tells us that they will be accepted to at least one, but there's nothing in the prompt to suggest that every 150+ student applies to at least one Ivy.

D) At least one graduate from TopNotch high school who has applied to at least one Ivy-League university has been accepted to one of them.

Let's say that every TopNotch graduate who applies to an Ivy-League school has an IQ between 120 and 150 (so nobody with a 150+ IQ applies). We only know that MOST students with a 120+ IQ who apply to an Ivy-League school are accepted to at least one. Therefore, there exists the possibility that nobody from TopNotch would be accepted to an Ivy, so D has to be eliminated.

Hope that helps for those two choices!


I am trying to understand why D) is incorrect.
We know that "Most students with an IQ of over 120 who apply to one or more Ivy League universities are accepted to at least one of them"
say 10 students from TopNotch high school (120<IQ<150) applied to one or more IVY league Universities, since most of them are accepted to at least one of them, we can expect at least 6(i.e. most of them) get accepted to one of the IVY leagues.
I see that C is a clear answer. But I am not able understand why D is wrong.
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I am trying to understand why D) is incorrect.
We know that "Most students with an IQ of over 120 who apply to one or more Ivy League universities are accepted to at least one of them"
say 10 students from TopNotch high school (120<IQ<150) applied to one or more IVY league Universities, since most of them are accepted to at least one of them, we can expect at least 6(i.e. most of them) get accepted to one of the IVY leagues.
I see that C is a clear answer. But I am not able understand why D is wrong.


Here is why:

Argument:
Everyone who graduates from topnotch high school has IQ > 120.
Most > 120 IQ and all > 150 IQ students who apply get accepted to at least one Ivy league university.


4]At least one graduate from TopNotch high school who has applied to at least one Ivy-League university has been accepted to one of them.
Not necessary. It is possible that no student from top notch has IQ > 150 or even if there are students with IQ > 150, they may not have applied. We know that most students with IQ > 120 who apply get accepted but it is possible that all those who applied from top notch (and hence had IQ>120) got rejected. (Number of people who applied from top notch could be a very small % of the total number of people with IQ > 120 who applied)

Say this year 1000 students with IQ greater than 120 applied to Ivy League universities. Say only 20 of them did not get accepted to any university so most got accepted.
It is possible that all students of Top Notch who applied fall in this 20. What if only 5 of Top Notch had applied and all 5 are in this 20? Then (D) is not true.
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What I understood from this question is below.
I narrowed down to option C and D.

So Lets talk about option C.
(C) If a person has an IQ of 130 and is attending an Ivy-League school, it is possible for him or her to have graduated from TopNotch High School.
Person has IQ score 130...ok
And he is attending Ivy-League school..ok
then probably he might be graduated from Top Notch High school....Absolutely true....It is possible.
So option C is aligned with given argument.

Now lets breakdown option D.
(D) At least one graduate from TopNotch high school who has applied to at least one Ivy-League university has been accepted to one of them.
At least one graduate from TN high school.....He must have IQ score >120...this is given in stimulus as every graduate from TN has IQ score>120
Who has applied to at least one Ivy League university....Now look the statement given in stimulus...Most student having IQ score > 120 who applied to Ivy League university ...here "most students" may not contain student from TN school. so this option shatters at this point.

So option C wins over D.

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Everyone who has graduated from TopNotch High School has an intelligence quotient (IQ) of over 120. Most students with an IQ of over 120 and all students with an IQ of over 150 who apply to one or more Ivy League universities are accepted to at least one of them.

The statements above, if true, best support which of the following conclusions?

(A) Every graduate of TopNotch High School with an IQ of 150 has been accepted to at least one Ivy-League school.

(B) If a person is a high-school graduate and has an IQ of less than 100, he or she could not have been a student at TopNotch High School.

(C) If a person has an IQ of 130 and is attending an Ivy-League school, it is possible for him or her to have graduated from TopNotch High School.

(D) At least one graduate from TopNotch high school who has applied to at least one Ivy-League university has been accepted to one of them.

(E) If a high-school graduate has an IQ of 150 and is not attending an Ivy-League school, then he or she did not apply to one of them.


I have a query regarding the type of question?

The question asks us to find the option that BEST SUPPORT which of the following conclusion. So,is it possible that all five options supports the conclusion in one way or another and we have to find the best possible answer to the solution ?

Because in this question, if my understanding is correct, all five options supports the conclusion in one way or the another but C I think is the best answer among them
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(A) Every graduate of TopNotch High School with an IQ of 150 has been accepted to at least one Ivy-League school.
only the ones who applied

(B) If a person is a high-school graduate and has an IQ of less than 100, he or she could not have been a student at TopNotch High School.
he or she could well be a student there ... but not be able to graduate

(C) If a person has an IQ of 130 and is attending an Ivy-League school, it is possible for him or her to have graduated from TopNotch High School.

ture

(D) At least one graduate from TopNotch high school who has applied to at least one Ivy-League university has been accepted to one of them.

if no one with an IQ of 150 applied ..

(E) If a high-school graduate has an IQ of 150 and is not attending an Ivy-League school, then he or she did not apply to one of them.

not any high-school
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Everyone who has graduated from TopNotch High School has an intelligence quotient (IQ) of over 120. Most students with an IQ of over 120 and all students with an IQ of over 150 who apply to one or more Ivy League universities are accepted to at least one of them.

The statements above, if true, best support which of the following conclusions?

(A) Every graduate of TopNotch High School with an IQ of 150 has been accepted to at least one Ivy-League school.

(B) If a person is a high-school graduate and has an IQ of less than 100, he or she could not have been a student at TopNotch High School.

(C) If a person has an IQ of 130 and is attending an Ivy-League school, it is possible for him or her to have graduated from TopNotch High School.

(D) At least one graduate from TopNotch high school who has applied to at least one Ivy-League university has been accepted to one of them.

(E) If a high-school graduate has an IQ of 150 and is not attending an Ivy-League school, then he or she did not apply to one of them.


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Since the passage contains information about both TopNotch High School graduates and those accepted by Ivy League universities, a valid conclusion must contain information that does not contradict either situation. In addition, a valid conclusion should be based directly on the information given in the passage. Be careful not to make unwarranted assumptions: for example, a person who attends a school does not necessary graduate from it, a person who graduates from high school does not necessarily apply to a university, and a person who is accepted by a university does not necessarily attend it.

(A) The passage states that every student with an IQ of 150 who applies to the Ivy League will be accepted by at least one of the universities. However, it is possible that a graduate of TopNotch High with an IQ of 150 did not apply, and thereby was not accepted, to any of the schools. Hence, this conclusion is not valid.

(B) The passage states that every graduate of TopNotch High has an IQ of over 120. The conclusion only states that the student is a high school graduate and that he has an IQ of less than 120. It does NOT state that he or she was a graduate of TopNotch High. It is possible, however, that after attending TopNotch High for a period of time, he or she graduated from another high school. If this is the case, the situation does not contradict the passage, but contradicts the conclusion (he or she was a student at TopNotch High). Hence, this conclusion is not valid.

(C) CORRECT. This choice presents a possibility, as opposed to a certainty: is it possible that a person with a 130 IQ and attending an Ivy League university previously graduated from TopNotch High School? This does fit the stated facts in the argument: TopNotch graduates all have IQs over 120, and it is possible for TopNotch graduates to gain acceptance to Ivy League universities.

(D) The conclusion states that most, but not necessarily all, of the graduates from TopNotch High with IQ of 120 who apply to the Ivy League are accepted by at least one of the schools. The conclusion, however, does not state positively that any of the TopNotch High graduates had an IQ of over 150. Hence, even if it is unlikely, it is possible that none of the TopNotch graduates had IQs of over 150, and, of the remaining graduates who applied to the Ivy League, none were accepted by an Ivy League university. This conclusion is thereby not valid.

(E) The passage states that any student with an IQ of 150 who applies to one or more Ivy League universities will be accepted by at least one of them. It is possible, however, that some of those who had applied and been accepted to an Ivy League university chose not to attend. Hence, this conclusion is not valid.
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