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Experts’ Topic of the Week, 5/1/17: using LSAT for GMAT RC & CR

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New post 21 Feb 2018, 21:55
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Can you address few additional queries regarding usage of LSAT:

a. Do you recommend to time one self while attempting LSAT Qs?
You mentioned 80% accuracy in an hour here
Any opinion on no of qs here?

b. Out of below two situations:
1. A students in mid 20s score in verbal after exhausting
OG and QP turning to LSAT for additional practice.
2. A student in 40s, attempting for an elite score of 45+ after ensuring 70% + accuracy in
700 level OG qs

Is LSAT ideally suited for (2)?

Eagerly waiting to hear your views for above.
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Pretty much all of the "10 LSAT PrepTests" books are the same. I guess I'd mildly recommend one of the slightly older ones, since they don't include those comparative reading RC passages -- so anything before PrepTest #60 or so. The Next 10 Actual, Official LSAT PrepTests is my default (tests #29-38), but you can't go wrong with any of them.

Out of curiosity, are you finding those LSAT Hacks explanations useful?


Hi GMATNinja

I have exhausted all OG and MG Guide/PowerScore questions but there is no marked improvement. My accuracy rate is barely 60%
I cant go back to doing these questions again since i tend to remember the answers.
I have LSAT prepTests from #1 to #60 (only the questions). I solved RC questions from #29 and they seemed very GMAT-y. So yay for that!

Do you think solving LSAT Logical Reasoning would help me improve my accuracy rate? If not, then what would? :(

Also, your detailed explanations on SC qotds have helped me understand certain concepts so well! A BIG thank you for that!
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Hi GMATNinja

I have exhausted all OG and MG Guide/PowerScore questions but there is no marked improvement. My accuracy rate is barely 60%
I cant go back to doing these questions again since i tend to remember the answers.
I have LSAT prepTests from #1 to #60 (only the questions). I solved RC questions from #29 and they seemed very GMAT-y. So yay for that!

Do you think solving LSAT Logical Reasoning would help me improve my accuracy rate? If not, then what would? :(

Also, your detailed explanations on SC qotds have helped me understand certain concepts so well! A BIG thank you for that!

Glad to hear that the SC QOTDs are helping!

On one hand, if you've already exhausted the official GMAT questions, then LSATs are likely to be your best bet for CR, too. As explained in the original article, LSAT CRs ("logical reasoning" in LSAT-speak) aren't EXACTLY like GMAT CRs, but the skills you need to be successful on them are essentially the same. With only very rare exceptions, we've found that our students' LSAT results correlate very strongly with their GMAT results.

On the other hand, I'm worried that just doing more practice will miss the point in your case. In general, LSAT CRs are more difficult than the average GMAT OG CR question, so if you're at 60% in the OG, the LSATs might be demoralizing. You could give them a try, and see how you do -- they'll feel hard, but if you see some improvement over time, then keep going with them.

It's also possible that the real issue is something else: maybe you're struggling to be precise in your reading, or maybe the issue has something to do with your approach to questions, or your grasp of the underlying logic. Obviously, I don't really know what, exactly, is holding you back -- but take a look at this article if you haven't already, and see if that helps you think a bit about what the real issue might be.

Bottom line: more practice is generally good and LSATs are probably your best bet, but if you're doing exactly the same thing over and over -- without addressing the underlying problem -- then you might just see the same results over and over.

Sorry, that probably wasn't terribly satisfying, but I hope that it helps a little bit!
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The beginner's guide helped me find the problem at least - I think i fall in love with the first answer that kind of/sort of strikes me as correct and from there on its me defending that answer against others. And you very rightly pointed it out here,"And if you’re struggling on CR, I’ll bet that you’re missing those little modifiers more often than you’d like."

It's a very good post. Need to spend more time on it.

Thank you so much GMATNinja!
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The beginner's guide helped me find the problem at least - I think i fall in love with the first answer that kind of/sort of strikes me as correct and from there on its me defending that answer against others. And you very rightly pointed it out here,"And if you’re struggling on CR, I’ll bet that you’re missing those little modifiers more often than you’d like."

It's a very good post. Need to spend more time on it.

Thank you so much GMATNinja!

Awesome, I'm glad that the post got you somewhere!

One last thought: if you do decide to jump into the LSATs, one goal should be to have your RC results roughly match your CR ("logical reasoning") results, both in terms of accuracy and timing. My bet is that the "falling in love" and "missing modifier" issues are hurting you more on CR than on RC. Once you've mostly fixed those issues, your results should look basically the same on RC and CR.

Good luck with your studies!!
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Hello everyone,

does any of you have the pdf/link for Lsat practice RC passages.

I found only 3 rc's on their website
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Hello everyone,

does any of you have the pdf/link for Lsat practice RC passages.

I found only 3 rc's on their website


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Here you go: https://gmatclub.com/forum/lsat-rc-coll ... 50720.html

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