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Ezra Pound, considered by some to be one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the editor who did most of the editing work on T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a little known fact.

A. Ezra Pound, considered by some to be one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the editor who did most of the editing work on T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a little known fact.

B. Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a fact not well known by many.

C. It is little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land

D. It is little known that poet Ezra Pound, considered as one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, edited the majority of T.S Eliot's Waste Land.

E. Ezra Pound, one of the 20th century's foremost poets, did most of the editing work for T.S Eliot's Waste Land, this is a little known fact.

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Is "considered as" a wrong form?
If no then why option D is wrong?

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Yes. - Consider to be and consider as - are both wrong. The correct template idiom is consider X

A. Ezra Pound, considered by some to be one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the editor who did most of the editing work on T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a little known fact. --- consider to be is wrong idiom

B. Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a fact not well known by many. --- The ambiguity of the modifier - a fact not well known by many - is a problem. It should normally modify the noun before, in the case ‘Land’ and it does not stand much logic. Alternatively, it could be that many did not know well that he was he primary editor of T.S Eliot’s wasteland. Alternatively, it could be that he was considered one of the foremost poets was not well known. In any case, the intended meaning is the sufferer.

C. It is little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land--- straight and clear. Correct choice

D. It is little known that poet Ezra Pound, considered as one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, edited the majority of T.S Eliot's Waste Land. --- considered as is wrong. In addition the majority is a poor replacement for most

E. Ezra Pound, one of the 20th century's foremost poets, did most of the editing work for T.S Eliot's Waste Land, this is a little known fact. ---- This is a comma splice run-on.
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Ezra Pound, considered by some to be one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the editor who did most of the editing work on T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a little known fact.

A. Ezra Pound, considered by some to be one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the editor who did most of the editing work on T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a little known fact.

B. Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a fact not well known by many.

C. It is little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land

D. It is little known that poet Ezra Pound, considered as one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, edited the majority of T.S Eliot's Waste Land.

E. Ezra Pound, one of the 20th century's foremost poets, did most of the editing work for T.S Eliot's Waste Land, this is a little known fact.

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Can somebody explain the right usage for considered?
Is "considered as" a wrong form?
If no then why option D is wrong?


Let's Learn;

Consider X to be Y
Consider X Y
Consider X as Y


First two are same in meaning, the last means that we are temporarily considering X as Y.

Idiomatic Use:

Considered as:
Monalisa is considered as the best of all creations of Leonardo da Vinci-STILL CONSIDERED.

Considered :
Hulk Hogan was considered the most famous player during 1990s- NOT NOW

Considered to be:
Lion is considered to be the fieriest beast of the woods.

Here, in (C)
C. It is little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land

Ezra Pound was once considered one among the pioneer poets of 20th century and she was the one who was the prime editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land.

In SC questions, meaning changes with small alterations which is very seriously questioned in GMAT now-a-days.
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C. It is little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land

Could anybody explain why the article "a" is omitted before "little"?
I got confused because of this and made the wrong choice. I thought it had to be like that:
It is a little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land
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Yes, the "a" is required. Seems to be an inadvertent omission.
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The option C uses the correct form considered one and also displays the meaning perfectly.
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Yes. - Consider to be and consider as - are both wrong. The correct template idiom is consider X

A. Ezra Pound, considered by some to be one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the editor who did most of the editing work on T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a little known fact. --- consider to be is wrong idiom

B. Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a fact not well known by many. --- The ambiguity of the modifier - a fact not well known by many - is a problem. It should normally modify the noun before, in the case ‘Land’ and it does not stand much logic. Alternatively, it could be that many did not know well that he was he primary editor of T.S Eliot’s wasteland. Alternatively, it could be that he was considered one of the foremost poets was not well known. In any case, the intended meaning is the sufferer.

C. It is little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land--- straight and clear. Correct choice

D. It is little known that poet Ezra Pound, considered as one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, edited the majority of T.S Eliot's Waste Land. --- considered as is wrong. In addition the majority is a poor replacement for most

E. Ezra Pound, one of the 20th century's foremost poets, did most of the editing work for T.S Eliot's Waste Land, this is a little known fact. ---- This is a comma splice run-on.



Hi Daagh,

Why do I feel that the phrase "It is little known fact" should be "It is a little known fact"? Is it something that I've used wrongly in the past?
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Isn't option C altering the meaning of the sentence? We are assuming that someone who did most of the editing work of work is considered the "primary editor". This is nowhere implied.
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Yes. - Consider to be and consider as - are both wrong. The correct template idiom is consider X

A. Ezra Pound, considered by some to be one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the editor who did most of the editing work on T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a little known fact. --- consider to be is wrong idiom
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E. Ezra Pound, one of the 20th century's foremost poets, did most of the editing work for T.S Eliot's Waste Land, this is a little known fact. ---- This is a comma splice run-on.


I don't believe "consider to be" is idiomatically wrong. There are official questions which have "consider to be" correct. I wish i had am official question handy to prove it
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I don't believe "consider to be" is idiomatically wrong. There are official questions which have "consider to be" correct. I wish i had am official question handy to prove it


"Consider to be" is not idiomatically wrong, but is SUSPECT to be so.

From Manhattan GMAT Sentence Correction:

CONSIDER:

RIGHT: consider x y --> I consider her a friend / I consider illegal the law
SUSPECT: consider x to be y --> The judge considers the law to be illegal
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consider x as (or as being) y
consider x should be y
consider x as if it y
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Very much agreed.
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I don't believe "consider to be" is idiomatically wrong. There are official questions which have "consider to be" correct. I wish i had am official question handy to prove it

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B. Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a fact not well known by many. --- The ambiguity of the modifier - a fact not well known by many - is a problem. It should normally modify the noun before, in the case ‘Land’ and it does not stand much logic. Alternatively, it could be that many did not know well that he was he primary editor of T.S Eliot’s wasteland. Alternatively, it could be that he was considered one of the foremost poets was not well known. In any case, the intended meaning is the sufferer.


Here is the correct choice again.

1/Ezra Pound, 2/considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, 3/was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land, 4/a fact not well known by many.
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I am bit confused on your above explanation. You're going to say that part 4/ modifies either part 2/ or part 3/, right?
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Mr. daagh, a well known retired moderator in GMAT Club, is going to help million students in this forum, a fact not well known by many.
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I'm very curious to know the facts, actually.
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I don't know why "consider to be" is wrong. The renowned Cambridge Dictionary uses the phrase "consider to be" in its various examples. So, why it is considered as wrong in GMAT?
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B Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a fact not well known by many.

C. It is little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land


B and C are better among 5.

Considered is preferred to "Considered to be." Another reason which i am leaning more towards is that C is more straighforward. C makes it clear that "X is little known fact"


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I don't know why "consider to be" is wrong. The renowned Cambridge Dictionary uses the phrase "consider to be" in its various examples. So, why it is considered as wrong in GMAT?
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Very bad question.

The lack of an indefinite article for "fact" makes it sound CLEARLY wrong. We can take out the adjective phrase "little known" and the "considered one...20th century" clause for clarity, which gives us:

"It is fact that Ezra Pound was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land."

"It is fact that" is clearly ungrammatical, as fact is a noun.
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Bad question
Exhibit A : in choice C , we need "a" before "little ".

Exhibit B: choice B is perfectly fine as there is no ambiguity in absolute modifier. The "one of the most" is an inessential modifier , which is explicitly inserted in commas so the absolute modifier is modifying the main clause.

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B Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a fact not well known by many.

C. It is little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land


B and C are better among 5.

Considered is preferred to "Considered to be." Another reason which i am leaning more towards is that C is more straighforward. C makes it clear that "X is little known fact"


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I don't know why "consider to be" is wrong. The renowned Cambridge Dictionary uses the phrase "consider to be" in its various examples. So, why it is considered as wrong in GMAT?
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Hi harvard2019,
I did not write the above words just to legitimate choice A where "considered to be" has been used; I'm just saying why "considered to be" is not okay in GMAT (I'm not talking about choice A; I am talking all GMAT related SC question) though "considered to be" is used in "Cambridge Dictionary"?
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B Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land, a fact not well known by many.

C. It is little known fact that Ezra Pound, considered one of the foremost poets of the 20th century, was the primary editor of T.S Eliot's Waste Land


B and C are better among 5.

Considered is preferred to "Considered to be." Another reason which i am leaning more towards is that C is more straighforward. C makes it clear that "X is little known fact"


AsadAbu wrote:
I don't know why "consider to be" is wrong. The renowned Cambridge Dictionary uses the phrase "consider to be" in its various examples. So, why it is considered as wrong in GMAT?
Here you go for Cambridge Dictionary's screenshot-->
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Hi harvard2019,
I did not write the above words just to legitimate choice A where "considered to be" has been used; I'm just saying why "considered to be" is not okay in GMAT (I'm not talking about choice A; I am talking all GMAT related SC question) though "considered to be" is used in "Cambridge Dictionary"?


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"GMAT SCs tend to follow certain style "patterns"; one of those patterns is that, in general, if two answers APPEAR to be correct, then the shorter answer tends to be the correct one. Now, THAT rule is still based on the idea that the GRAMMAR is correct. If the grammar is incorrect, then it doesn't matter how long or short an answer is.

In the case of "considered" vs. "considered to be", either one is acceptable. The good news is that if this issue occurred on a GMAT SC, then there would be other grammar rules that you could use to determine which answer is correct. Ultimately, you won't be left with ONLY this rule to help you find the correct answer, so you shouldn't worry about it. "

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