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Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.

(A) so as not directly to be competitive against
(B) in order for them not to have direct competition with
(C) so that they do not compete directly with
(D) in order that they are not directly competitive against
(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with

Hi Friends, can someone please tell me whether the 'they' in the official answer is questionable. I eliminated this choice because I was not sure if they referred to stores or manufacturers and hence chose E which eliminates this ambiguity. Kindly explain me your approach.
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Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.

(A) so as not directly to be competitive against
(B) in order for them not to have direct competition with
(C) so that they do not compete directly with
(D) in order that they are not directly competitive against
(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with

Hi Friends, can someone please tell me whether the 'they' in the official answer is questionable. I eliminated this choice because I was not sure if they referred to stores or manufacturers and hence chose E which eliminates this ambiguity. Kindly explain me your approach.



The question is a bit confused, so when I m a bit confused I forget the rules of grammar (in first instance9 and rely heavily on meaning.

First of all here the subject are the stores (plural)

A ) ackward clearly

B) in order for them is wrong

D ) is the tough of the bill because we have they are not directly competitive against is convoluted and distort a bit the meaning see C in comparison

E) is miles away from the truth

C is the best
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Hi Friends, can someone please tell me whether the 'they' in the official answer is questionable. I eliminated this choice because I was not sure if they referred to stores or manufacturers and hence chose E which eliminates this ambiguity. Kindly explain me your approach.
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Hi Friends, can someone please tell me whether the 'they' in the official answer is questionable. I eliminated this choice because I was not sure if they referred to stores or manufacturers and hence chose E which eliminates this ambiguity. Kindly explain me your approach.



Hi,

But here there isn't ambiguity. Clearly, They refer to stores. Morover, manufactures is placed in an incidenta phresa that in turns out modify the stores...........so is not amboguos.

In gmat land when the contest is clear should not be the problem of pronoun reference
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Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.

(A) so as not directly to be competitive against
(B) in order for them not to have direct competition with
(C) so that they do not compete directly with
(D) in order that they are not directly competitive against
(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with

Hi Friends, can someone please tell me whether the 'they' in the official answer is questionable. I eliminated this choice because I was not sure if they referred to stores or manufacturers and hence chose E which eliminates this ambiguity. Kindly explain me your approach.

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None of the answer choices are making sense except C ... & the + point with C is that "They" is not creating the ambiguity ... So that's Y C must be the answer ...........
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C is the best option. Please look at the meaning of the sentence -

Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.

Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.

Looking at the second sentence, it clearly gives you the idea that the latter half of the sentence refers to the stores when it uses "they"

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Hi Friends, can someone please tell me whether the 'they' in the official answer is questionable. I eliminated this choice because I was not sure if they referred to stores or manufacturers and hence chose E which eliminates this ambiguity. Kindly explain me your approach.


hi charu,
i am not an expert but i will share my thoughts.

first of all i will say never eliminate a choice only on the basis of pronoun ambiguity because it is only the preferred rule and one must always use in the last when you are stuck in 2 answer choces if no other errors are present.

secondly the gmat will usually tolerate pronoun ambiguity if:

1. if the context is obvious.
2. the pronoun is parallel to intended noun.
3. the pronoun is not parallel to other noun.

in this case 2nd one comes in to action:the pronoun is parallel to intended noun.

for clarifying this i will give one example:

take the pizza out of the box and put it.
action noun prepn. noun conj. action pronoun
(verb) (verb)
in this case as per parallel structure rule "it " is clearly refering to "the pizza"

now in our case in this sentence:
Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so that they do not compete directly with department stores in the same trading area.

factory outlet stores verb========they verb ....here by seeing you can say verb is followed by noun manufacturers but logically it is not as it is acting as appositive .

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more to add , in option E

(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with====>Here the meaning of original sentence is changed...for the purpose indicates that the purpose of factory outlet stores was not to compete with department stores.
so for the purpose is wrongly intending something else.
and moreover" for the purpose of not competing directly with" is not clear what is this modifying....

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Excellent question, Charu i faced same problem and got stumped. But yes later i realized that gmat is lenient with such pronoun errors.

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Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.

(A) so as not directly to be competitive against
(B) in order for them not to have direct competition with
(C) so that they do not compete directly with
(D) in order that they are not directly competitive against
(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with

Hi Friends, can someone please tell me whether the 'they' in the official answer is questionable. I eliminated this choice because I was not sure if they referred to stores or manufacturers and hence chose E which eliminates this ambiguity. Kindly explain me your approach.


Is the idiom compete with instead of compete against?
Anybody know this?

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Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.
(A) so as not directly to be competitive against
(B) in order for them not to have direct competition with
(C) so that they do not compete directly with
(D) in order that they are not directly competitive against
(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with


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(A) so as not directly to be competitive against ---‘So as --- not to be’ is unidiomatic; ‘ so as --- not to verb’ is acceptable
(B) in order for them not to have direct competition with --- unidiomatic
(C) so that they do not compete directly with --- correct
(D) in order that they are not directly competitive against --- In order that is unconcise, when compared to in order to
(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with --- When you want to express purpose , we should put it in the infinitive.
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so as not directly to be competitive against ---‘So as --- not to be’ is unidiomatic; ‘ so as --- not to verb’ is acceptable



thanks daagh..

'be' is also a verb? Ex: I want to be happy..

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be is indeed the basic form of the is, was and were series. Yet 'to be' becomes passive; 'so as not be competitive', that uses an adjective in the form of ' competitive' is inferior to the use of 'to compete', which is direct and dynamic; Hence the problem of using 'so as .... not to be'
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Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.

(A) so as not directly to be competitive against
(B) in order for them not to have direct competition with
(C) so that they do not compete directly with
(D) in order that they are not directly competitive against
(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with

Although I am not an expert, I would say that it is clearly logical that stores competes against another stores..I think GMAC added stores to remove ambiguity.
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Option C is the correct answer.
' compete with ' is the correct usage
All other choices are ambiguous or grammatically incorrect choices

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Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.

(A) so as not directly to be competitive against
(B) in order for them not to have direct competition with
(C) so that they do not compete directly with
(D) in order that they are not directly competitive against
(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with

Hi Friends, can someone please tell me whether the 'they' in the official answer is questionable. I eliminated this choice because I was not sure if they referred to stores or manufacturers and hence chose E which eliminates this ambiguity. Kindly explain me your approach.


it takes me a few ten minutes to figure why b is wrong.

honestly, i dislike "in order for them not to...". but we have no reason to consider the phrase wrong.

"them" in b can be considered ambiguous, referting to stores or manufacturers. in this respect, "they in c is better because they refers to the subject of previous clause. more logic.

b can be considered wordy. have competition with. is longer than "compete with".

so, we have 2 clears reasons to eliminate B. we do not need to consider "in order for them " .
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Factory outlet stores, operated by manufacturers, are usually located miles from downtown and regional shopping centers so as not directly to be competitive against department stores in the same trading area.

(A) so as not directly to be competitive against
(B) in order for them not to have direct competition with
(C) so that they do not compete directly with
(D) in order that they are not directly competitive against
(E) for the purpose of not competing directly with

Hi Friends, can someone please tell me whether the 'they' in the official answer is questionable. I eliminated this choice because I was not sure if they referred to stores or manufacturers and hence chose E which eliminates this ambiguity. Kindly explain me your approach.



"They" in Option E is not questionable because "Factory outlets" is the subject of the sentence and "they" is referring to this subject

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