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For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =

A. -ab + 3
B. ab + 3
C. -ab + 2b + 3
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3
E. ab + 2b + 3

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Such Question require an intense observation of the given Information step-by-step

Observation-1: |a – b| = b – a

which is possible only when signs of a and b are Same
Since Given a > 0
so we figure out that a and b are both positive

Observation-2: |a – b| must be Non-Negative and so should be the value of b-a which is possible only when absolute value of b is greater than or equal to absolute value of a

Now you may choose the values of a and b based on above observations

e.g. b = 3 and a=1 and check the value of given functions and options

|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| = |1 + 3| + |-3| + |3 – 1| + |1*3| = 12


A. -ab + 3 = -1*3 + 3 = 0 not equal to 12 hence, INCORRECT
B. ab + 3 = 1*3 + 3 = 6 not equal to 12 hence, INCORRECT
C. -ab + 2b + 3 = -1*3+2*3+3 = 6 not equal to 12 hence, INCORRECT
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3 = 1*3 + 2*3 - 2*1 - 3 = 4 not equal to 12 hence, INCORRECT
E. ab + 2b + 3 = 1*3 + 2*3 + 3 = 12 CORRECT

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Bunuel wrote:
For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =

A. -ab + 3
B. ab + 3
C. -ab + 2b + 3
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3
E. ab + 2b + 3

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Such Question require an intense observation of the given Information step-by-step

Observation-1: |a – b| = b – a

which is possible only when signs of a and b are Same
Also, Since Given a > 0 so we figure out that a and b are both positive

Observation-2: |a – b| must be Non-Negative and so should be the value of b-a which is possible only when absolute value of b is greater than or equal to absolute value of a

Now you may choose the values of a and b based on above observations

e.g. b = 3 and a=1 and check the value of given functions and options

|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| = |1 + 3| + |-3| + |3 – 1| + |1*3| = 12


GMATinsight, the text in red above is not necessarily true.

|a-b| = b-a ONLY when a-b <0 or b>a . now b > a by being (3,-1) (opposite signs) or by (-4,-2) or by (3,1) (in these 2 cases, same signs)
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GMATinsight wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =

A. -ab + 3
B. ab + 3
C. -ab + 2b + 3
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3
E. ab + 2b + 3

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Such Question require an intense observation of the given Information step-by-step

Observation-1: |a – b| = b – a

which is possible only when signs of a and b are Same
Also, Since Given a > 0 so we figure out that a and b are both positive

Observation-2: |a – b| must be Non-Negative and so should be the value of b-a which is possible only when absolute value of b is greater than or equal to absolute value of a

Now you may choose the values of a and b based on above observations

e.g. b = 3 and a=1 and check the value of given functions and options

|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| = |1 + 3| + |-3| + |3 – 1| + |1*3| = 12


GMATinsight, the text in red above is not necessarily true.

|a-b| = b-a ONLY when a-b <0 or b>a . now b > a by being (3,-1) (opposite signs) or by (-2,-4) or by (3,1) (in these 2 cases, same signs)



a and b will always have same sign for |a – b| = b – a to be true for given a >0

The word "also" was disturbing the meaning probably, so removed it.

and b may have opposite sign only when a is negative which was out of question due to given information a>0
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GMATinsight, the text in red above is not necessarily true.

|a-b| = b-a ONLY when a-b <0 or b>a . now b > a by being (3,-1) (opposite signs) or by (-2,-4) or by (3,1) (in these 2 cases, same signs)

a and b will always have same sign for |a – b| = b – a to be true for given a >0

The word "also" was disturbing the meaning probably, so removed it.

and b may have opposite sign only when a is negative which was out of question due to given information a>0


Yes, exactly. To me, you were mentioning about a>0 as an additional information after the statement. This seemed incorrect. Thanks for the clarification.
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For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =

A. -ab + 3
B. ab + 3
C. -ab + 2b + 3
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3
E. ab + 2b + 3

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|a-b| = -(a-b), which means that a-b is <=0.
Since a>0, then b>a>0.

let a = 1 and b = 2

|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| = 4+2+1+2 = 9

Sub the value of a and b in answer options

E. 9

Hence Option E
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GMATinsight wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =

A. -ab + 3
B. ab + 3
C. -ab + 2b + 3
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3
E. ab + 2b + 3

Kudos for a correct solution.


Such Question require an intense observation of the given Information step-by-step

Observation-1: |a – b| = b – a

which is possible only when signs of a and b are Same
Also, Since Given a > 0 so we figure out that a and b are both positive

Observation-2: |a – b| must be Non-Negative and so should be the value of b-a which is possible only when absolute value of b is greater than or equal to absolute value of a

Now you may choose the values of a and b based on above observations

e.g. b = 3 and a=1 and check the value of given functions and options

|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| = |1 + 3| + |-3| + |3 – 1| + |1*3| = 12


GMATinsight, the text in red above is not necessarily true.

|a-b| = b-a ONLY when a-b <0 or b>a . now b > a by being (3,-1) (opposite signs) or by (-2,-4) or by (3,1) (in these 2 cases, same signs)


Hi Engr2012,
I can understand that both should have the same signs. But I think the example of negative signs should be revered. i.e. (-2,-4) to (-4,-2) to satisfy that b>a as -2>-4. I think there is a typo.
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Bunuel wrote:
For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =

A. -ab + 3
B. ab + 3
C. -ab + 2b + 3
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3
E. ab + 2b + 3

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800score Official Solution:

We know that |a – b| = b – a, so b – a > 0, or b > a. We also know that a > 0, so b > 0.

Knowing that both a and b are positive we can easily simplify:
|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =
a + 3 + b + b – a + ab =
ab + 2b + 3

The right answer is choice (E).
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Hi Engr2012,
I can understand that both should have the same signs. But I think the example of negative signs should be revered. i.e. (-2,-4) to (-4,-2) to satisfy that b>a as -2>-4. I think there is a typo.


Yes, thanks. It was a typo.
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Hi All,

While this prompt looks complex, it can be solved rather easily by TESTing VALUES.

We're told that |A-B| = B-A. While there are LOTS of values that will fit this equation, the easiest 'option' is to make A=B. We're also told that A > 0.

IF...
A=1
B=1

We're asked for the value of |A+3| + |-B| + |B-A| + |AB|...

|1+3| +|-1| + |0| + |1| = 6

Answer A: -AB + 3 = 2 NOT a match
Answer B: AB + 3 = 4 NOT a match
Answer C: -AB + 2B + 3 = 4 NOT a match
Answer D: AB + 2B – 2A – 3 = -2 NOT a match
Answer E: AB + 2B + 3 = 6 This IS a MATCH

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Bunuel wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =

A. -ab + 3
B. ab + 3
C. -ab + 2b + 3
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3
E. ab + 2b + 3

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800score Official Solution:

We know that |a – b| = b – a, so b – a > 0, or b > a. We also know that a > 0, so b > 0.

Knowing that both a and b are positive we can easily simplify:
|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =
a + 3 + b + b – a + ab =
ab + 2b + 3

The right answer is choice (E).


Hi All,

This explanation is not completely correct. A and B can be the SAME value. Be mindful of these types of Number Property details that you might miss - while it would not impact your solution to this particular question, it could cost you points in other areas (especially in DS).

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Bunuel wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =

A. -ab + 3
B. ab + 3
C. -ab + 2b + 3
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3
E. ab + 2b + 3

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800score Official Solution:

We know that |a – b| = b – a, so b – a > 0, or b > a. We also know that a > 0, so b > 0.

Knowing that both a and b are positive we can easily simplify:
|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =
a + 3 + b + b – a + ab =
ab + 2b + 3

The right answer is choice (E).


Hi All,

This explanation is not completely correct. A and B can be the SAME value. Be mindful of these types of Number Property details that you might miss - while it would not impact your solution to this particular question, it could cost you points in other areas (especially in DS).

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Hi EMPOWERgmatRichC

Thank you for your solution.

But I have a question about your statement "A and B can be the SAME value".

IMHO, this is not true. We have been given that |a – b| = -(a-b) . This is similar to |x| = -x for all x<0. We do not include equality with the negative value. Please clarify.
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Hi Engr2012,

The easiest way to prove the point is to TEST values for A and B that are the SAME.... You can either use physical values or substitute in a new variable....

IF...
A=B=2

|A-B| = B-A
|2-2| = 0
2-2 = 0
0 = 0

Thus, we have proof that A CAN = B

Or, using a variable....
A=B=X

|X-X| = X-X
|X-X| = 0
X-X = 0
0 = 0

Again, proof that A CAN = B

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Hi balamoon, I have a ques on the step below:
Solution -
Given that |a – b| = b – a, so b – a > 0, or b > a. Also given that a > 0, so b > 0.

|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =
a + 3 + b + b – a + ab =ab + 2b + 3

here |-b| becomes just b. How did that happen? The rest of the modulus openings retained thier signs but here it changed. Can anyone explain how?

Thank you !

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Bunuel wrote:
For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =

A. -ab + 3
B. ab + 3
C. -ab + 2b + 3
D. ab + 2b – 2a – 3
E. ab + 2b + 3

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Solution -
Given that |a – b| = b – a, so b – a > 0, or b > a. Also given that a > 0, so b > 0.

|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =
a + 3 + b + b – a + ab =ab + 2b + 3
ANS E


why b-a>0
Please help me to understand
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Hi balamoon, I have a ques on the step below:
Solution -
Given that |a – b| = b – a, so b – a > 0, or b > a. Also given that a > 0, so b > 0.

|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =
a + 3 + b + b – a + ab =ab + 2b + 3

here |-b| becomes just b. How did that happen? The rest of the modulus openings retained thier signs but here it changed. Can anyone explain how?

Thank you !

ANS E


This is because b>a>0; If b = 3, -b = -3 & |-3|= 3
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Re: For any a and b that satisfy |a – b| = b – a and a > 0, then |a + 3| + [#permalink]
I interpreted it like this:

|a-b|= b-a

This can also be written as:
|b-a|= b-a

That means b-a is positive. (a>0)
b-a>0
b>0

Rest is same.
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For any a and b that satisfy \(|a – b| = b – a\) and \(a > 0\), then \(|a + 3| + |-b| + |b – a| + |ab| =\)


A. \(-ab + 3\)

B. \(ab + 3\)

C. \(-ab + 2b + 3\)

D. \(ab + 2b – 2a – 3\)

E. \(ab + 2b + 3\)


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Given |a-b| = b - a
b>a, for |a-b| = positive
a>0
therefore, a+3>0

Let a = 1, b=2
4+ 2 + 1 + 2 = 9
ab + 2b + 3 = 2+4+3 = 9

Therefore, (E) ab + 2b + 3
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