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i agree with B

But can someone explain why not E?

Because if the students do not pay the loan then the for -profit organization would go into debts and it is a disadvantage for for -profit organization


E is irrelevant to the topic and it doesn't make any contribution to the conclusion. Whether the students will default or not default doesn't make a pinch to the conclusion, which says for profit colleges enrolls higher proportion of economically backward people than the other colleges, and also a person is defaulter or not doesn't tell anything about the probable financial situation at the time of admission..
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I faced similar question in MGMAT CAT,but over there the Q was in evaluate the argument format. Somehow attempting the question above(find the assumption) was easier than evaluate the argument, pasted below. Also, one reason I didn't choose option B was because I thought it is too extreme of an option. :x

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For-profit colleges serve far fewer students than either public or private non-profit colleges. At the same time, relative to non-profit colleges, for-profit colleges draw a disproportionate share of federal and state financial aid, such as tuition grants and guaranteed loans, for their students. It must be, then, that for-profit colleges enroll a greater proportion of financially disadvantaged students than do non-profit colleges.

In assessing the argument above, it would be most useful to compare


1.the proportion of financially disadvantaged students served by public and private non-profit colleges

2.the extent to which for-profit and non-profit colleges engage in fraudulent practices in helping their students obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid

3.the number of students receiving federal and state financial aid at for-profit colleges and non-profit colleges

4.the quality of education received by financially disadvantaged students at for-profit colleges and non-profit colleges

5.the rates of default on loan repayments among graduates of for-profit and non-profit colleges
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The argument concludes that for-profit colleges enroll a greater proportion of
financially disadvantaged students than do non-profit colleges.

This conclusion is based on the fact that students at for-profit colleges draw a disproportionate
share of federal and state financial aid.

The argument assumes a link between the proportion of aid received and the proportion of financially disadvantaged
students enrolled.

In so doing, it assumes that there are not other possible reasons for the disproportionate aid distribution.

(A) The conclusion makes a claim about the differences between for-profit and non-profit colleges. Differences among non-profit colleges – such as public vs private – are irrelevant to the argument.

(B) CORRECT. One alternative reason that might explain the disproportionate aid distribution is that for-profit colleges engaged in fraudulent practices to obtain unneeded financial assistance for their students.

If this were true, then much of the aid was distributed based not on the actual financial situation of the students but on the ability of colleges to defraud federal and state governments.

This answer choice asserts that this was NOT in fact the case, thereby eliminating this alternative explanation and highlighting a key assumption upon which the argument rests.

(C) The argument's claim is centered on proportions.

The actual number of students receiving aid at for-profit vs. non-profit colleges is irrelevant to the conclusion.

(D) The relative educational quality of for-profit vs. non-profit colleges lies outside the scope of the argument, which is focused solely on differences in financial aid distribution.

(E) The issue addressed by the argument is the amount of financial aid distributed to students at two types of institutions. Whether students successfully repay their loans after college is immaterial to the claim made in the argument.


I got a lot more confused between options B and C.
I could not understand B properly and took C.
Thanks (along with kudos) agourav for the explanation. I just rearranged your explanation in a readable format.
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For-profit colleges serve far fewer students than either public or private non-profit colleges. At the same time, relative to non-profit colleges, for-profit colleges draw a disproportionate share of federal and state financial aid, such as tuition grants and guaranteed loans, for their students. It must be, then, that for-profit colleges enroll a greater proportion of financially disadvantaged students than do non-profit colleges.

The conclusion above depends on which of the following assumptions?

A. Public non-profit colleges and private non-profit colleges enroll a similar proportion of financially disadvantaged students.
B. For-profit colleges do not engage in fraudulent practices in helping their students obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid.
C. The number of students receiving federal and state financial aid at for-profit colleges is greater than the number of students receiving federal and state financial aid at non-profit colleges.
D. For-profit colleges are of similar educational quality as non-profit colleges.
E. The majority of students at for-profit colleges do not default on repayment of their loans after they complete college.


wow..one of the questions that I read it and got everything right from the first try..
A - doesn't help at all, as neither of the colleges presented is contrasted to FPC.
B - aha, if FPC engage in fraudulent practices to obtain in unneeded fed+state aid then they would receive this aid for those who are not financially disadvantaged, thus, the conclusion breaks apart and is no longer true. B looks good.
C - we know that FPC enrolls fewer students but a greater % of enrolled students receive loans/grants - we speak about proportions...nothing about the absolute value..so no.
D - quality of education is out of scope.
E - this looks like a suggestion why FPC receive more loans..but it is definitely not an assumption. since this one talks about only loans...one more reason to dismiss this answer.
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2) For-profit colleges receive more money in the form of federal and state financial aid.

the above statement is nowhere given in the passage. It is said as "disproportionate", not 'more' or 'less'.

This is my doubt. Please explain.
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B is right answer.

Answer choice C compares number of students; however the argument clearly states proportion of students. Hence even if number of students in for-profit schools are fewer than that in other schools, the proportion of students getting financial aid would be high
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For-profit colleges serve far fewer students than either public or private non-profit colleges. At the same time, relative to non-profit colleges, for-profit colleges draw a disproportionate share of federal and state financial aid, such as tuition grants and guaranteed loans, for their students. It must be, then, that for-profit colleges enroll a greater proportion of financially disadvantaged students than do non-profit colleges.

The conclusion above depends on which of the following assumptions?

A. Public non-profit colleges and private non-profit colleges enroll a similar proportion of financially disadvantaged students.
B. For-profit colleges do not engage in fraudulent practices in helping their students obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid.
C. The number of students receiving federal and state financial aid at for-profit colleges is greater than the number of students receiving federal and state financial aid at non-profit colleges.
D. For-profit colleges are of similar educational quality as non-profit colleges.
E. The majority of students at for-profit colleges do not default on repayment of their loans after they complete college.



This was a pain to solve. I intentionally eliminated B because a "for-profit college" exists to generate profit. The fact that they take a disproportionate amount of money from financially disadvantaged students shows, in itself, that these institutions take advantage of students by charging exuberant costs and expect the federal government to pay for them. That is why, even though for-profit colleges have fewer students, there is a disproportionate share of federal and state financial aid funneling to these institutions.
Thus, B would be the exact opposite of what is mentioned in the passage.

Please refute my logic so I can truly understand how B is the correct answer.
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Hi Experts,

Please share your thoughts on the quality of the question.

I marked B because that seemed like the best option to go with. However, Whether For profit college obtain funds in a fraudulent way or not has no bearing to the proportion of students who are at a financial disadvantage. It is a college's decision to use which method seems likely to get funds.
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Hi Experts,

Please share your thoughts on the quality of the question.

I marked B because that seemed like the best option to go with. However, Whether For profit college obtain funds in a fraudulent way or not has no bearing to the proportion of students who are at a financial disadvantage. It is a college's decision to use which method seems likely to get funds.


Hi Ishan,

Please do read choice B one more time.

B. For-profit colleges do not engage in fraudulent practices in helping their students obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid.

If the funds are actually NOT needed by the students of these colleges, then can the author conclude that these students are from financially poor backgrounds? The answer is NO, right?

So, basically choice B tries to defend the argument against a situation that could break it.

Hope this helps! :)

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IshanVirdhi wrote:
Hi Experts,

Please share your thoughts on the quality of the question.

I marked B because that seemed like the best option to go with. However, Whether For profit college obtain funds in a fraudulent way or not has no bearing to the proportion of students who are at a financial disadvantage. It is a college's decision to use which method seems likely to get funds.


Hi Ishan,

Please do read choice B one more time.

B. For-profit colleges do not engage in fraudulent practices in helping their students obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid.

If the funds are actually NOT needed by the students of these colleges, then can the author conclude that these students are from financially poor backgrounds? The answer is NO, right?

So, basically choice B tries to defend the argument against a situation that could break it.

Hope this helps! :)

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Thanks a Lot :) . That unneeded changed everything. Didn't see it the first time.
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IshanVirdhi wrote:
Hi Experts,

Please share your thoughts on the quality of the question.

I marked B because that seemed like the best option to go with. However, Whether For profit college obtain funds in a fraudulent way or not has no bearing to the proportion of students who are at a financial disadvantage. It is a college's decision to use which method seems likely to get funds.


Hi Ishan,

Please do read choice B one more time.

B. For-profit colleges do not engage in fraudulent practices in helping their students obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid.

If the funds are actually NOT needed by the students of these colleges, then can the author conclude that these students are from financially poor backgrounds? The answer is NO, right?

So, basically choice B tries to defend the argument against a situation that could break it.

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers!

Thanks a Lot :) . That unneeded changed everything. Didn't see it the first time.


Thought so. :)

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I suppose we need a defender assumption. So I'll go with B. But can someone explain me when to choose defender and when to choose supporter assumptions.

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B. For-profit colleges do not engage in fraudulent practices in helping their students obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid

For profit colleges if engage in fraudulent practices than they do not require any financial aid from outside.So it breaks our conclusion.
Answer is B
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Conclusion:- “for-profit colleges enroll a greater proportion of financially disadvantaged students than do non-profit colleges.”
Negating answer choice B:-
“For-profit colleges do not engage in fraudulent practices in helping their students obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid”.
As colleges are getting engaged in fraudulent practices to get financial aid this concludes that students are not financially disadvantaged contradicting the conclusion. Hence choice B is correct.
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still have doubts about option c.
argument say for -profit sever far fewer students - suppose 10 vs 20 ( not for profit)
option c says: students receiving aid are more in for profit - suppose 5 vs 2( not for profit).We can conclude 5/10 > 2/20 i.e proportion is more for- profit than for non-profit
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For-profit colleges serve far fewer students than either public or private non-profit colleges. At the same time, relative to non-profit colleges, for-profit colleges draw a disproportionate share of federal and state financial aid, such as tuition grants and guaranteed loans, for their students. It must be, then, that for-profit colleges enroll a greater proportion of financially disadvantaged students than do non-profit colleges.

The conclusion above depends on which of the following assumptions?

A. Public non-profit colleges and private non-profit colleges enroll a similar proportion of financially disadvantaged students.

B. For-profit colleges do not engage in fraudulent practices in helping their students obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid.

C. The number of students receiving federal and state financial aid at for-profit colleges is greater than the number of students receiving federal and state financial aid at non-profit colleges.

D. For-profit colleges are of similar educational quality as non-profit colleges.

E. The majority of students at for-profit colleges do not default on repayment of their loans after they complete college.


The argument concludes that for-profit colleges enroll a greater proportion of
financially disadvantaged students than do non-profit colleges.
This conclusion is
based on the fact that students at for-profit colleges draw a disproportionate
share of federal and state financial aid. The argument assumes a link between
the proportion of aid received and the proportion of financially disadvantaged
students enrolled. In so doing, it assumes that there are not other possible
reasons for the disproportionate aid distribution.

(A) The conclusion makes a claim about the differences between for-profit and
non-profit colleges. Differences among non-profit colleges – such as public vs.
private – are irrelevant to the argument.

(B) CORRECT. One alternative reason that might explain the disproportionate
aid distribution is that for-profit colleges engaged in fraudulent practices to obtain
unneeded financial assistance for their students. If this were true, then much of
the aid was distributed based not on the actual financial situation of the students
but on the ability of colleges to defraud federal and state governments. This
answer choice asserts that this was NOT in fact the case, thereby eliminating this
alternative explanation and highlighting a key assumption upon which the
argument rests.

(C) The argument's claim is centered on proportions. The actual number of
students receiving aid at for-profit vs. non-profit colleges is irrelevant to the
conclusion.

(D) The relative educational quality of for-profit vs. non-profit colleges lies outside
the scope of the argument, which is focused solely on differences in financial aid
distribution.

(E) The issue addressed by the argument is the amount of financial aid
distributed to students at two types of institutions. Whether students successfully
repay their loans after college is immaterial to the claim made in the argument.
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sidagar You're right that C strengthens the argument, but that's not what we're looking for. We're looking for an assumption, which means a missing piece that is required for the argument to work.

As a side note, notice that even with C inserted, the argument is still making the assumption described in B. We don't know whether a larger proportion of students receiving aid indicates that more students in those schools actually need aid.
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