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At first attempt, I was able to get the answer but with a NOT so systematic approach. I took choices out because of the Idiomatic Expression. But with reading several techniques, the order to attack SC is grammar first, meaning then concision.

So, just focusing on Parallel Errors.

George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be legitimate subjects for literature AND TO portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.

When we see "AND" or "OR", we try to look for elements in parallel. Focusing on this, we can readily eliminate A,B,C and D.

Then we are left with E...


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. George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.

(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature and portraying them.
(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literature and portray them
(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them


i am confused between A and E. The confusion is ..you consider the rural poor as legitimate or to be legitimate subjects for...
Please could someone throw some light on this ...thanks !
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The answer is E :

1) Expressions such as "to be", "as", "should be" are not required after the verb "Consider", E has the proper idiomatic usage.

2) "to consider" and "to portray" are parallel in E.
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The proper Idiom when we use consider is
Consider X Y (Correct)
Consider X to be Y (Incorrect)
Consider X as Y (Incorrect)
Therefore you'll have to pick E
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Cant use 'these' to stand for nouns. Instead use them: rules out A B
the verb form of portray should be parallel to 'to consider' : to portray: rules out C
D: use of as if they were distorts the meaning of the sentence- as if the author is doubting whether they were

Left with E
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Clearly E.....Parallel structure "to consider" and "to portray"
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+ 1 for E, nice explanation fluke.

All the idioms
consider X as Y
Consider x y
consider X to be Y, are correct.
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George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.

(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
1. Parallelism 'to consider...and to portray' 2. Idiom 'Consider to be' is incorrect
(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
1. Parallelism 'to consider...and to portray' 2. Idiom 'Consider to be' is incorrect
(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature and portraying them
1. Parallelism 'to consider...and to portray' 2. Idiom 'Consider to be' is incorrect
(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literature and portray them
1. Parallelism 'to consider...and to portray' 2. Idiom 'Consider to be' is incorrect
(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them
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Ans - 'E'
Timing - 30 Secs :-)

This one seems to be straight from the OG.
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This is about the idiomatic use of the verb ‘consider’. Consider is a special verb that does not take an accompaniment. The template usage in this case is that you consider x something; expressions such as consider x to be something or consider x as something or consider x should be something are all wrong.

Not only And B but also C and D are all wrong. E is the correct usage


'Consider to be' and 'consider(ed) as' are also acceptable usages. Please go to my link http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/pos ... tml#p60355 for the explanation.
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I picked E for this question:

A. "To be" is wordy and the use of "these" is incorrect because we are referring to the rural pool. Therefore, the pronoun "them" must be used.

B. The use of "these" is incorrect.

C. "As being" is wordy here and parallelism is broken. "To consider...and portraying." This should be "to consider...and to portray."

D. This answer choice distorts the meaning because you are treating the poor "as if they were legitimate subjects." This essentially states that you don't wholeheartedly believe they are legitimate subjects - this is not the correct meaning.

E. Parallelism is maintained between "to consider...and to portray." Also, this answer choice clearly shows the meaning.
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this is a question of idiom. consider can not be accompanied by - to be, as, should. - E is the answer


I don't think this is an idiom question. This is a verb question. There are 3 verb types and 2 sub-types. Knowledge of this helps in understanding why "to consider the poor legitimate subjects" works. It is similar to saying: "to consider the rich selfish people of cities". The other sentences don't transfer the comparison between the verb and the noun phrase correctly.
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this, these are used in spoken english as pronoun but can be only used before a noun in writen english.

this book is nice.

A, B and C are wrong.

consider if, as if is not idiomatic.

E is left.
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George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.

(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature and portraying them
(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literature and portray them
(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them

E is the correct answer. In E, is 'them' used to refer 'legitimate subjects'?
Actually, I got a message from an expert about A and B. S/he says that we are not allowed to use 'these' to refer to 'people'. I did not get WHY s/he discussed about 'these'? Here, there is no people more then two. So, It's not our headache to discuss about 'these' , is not it?
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(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature and portraying them
(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literature and portray them
(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them



George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.

(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these ---->CONSIDER X TO BE ,Unidiomatic.INCORRECT
(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these ---->CONSIDER X SHOULD BE,Unidiomatic.INCORRECT
(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature and portraying them -----> CONSIDER X AS,Unidiomatic.INCORRECT
(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literature and portray them ---->CONSIDER X AS,Unidiomatic.INCORRECT
(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them -------> CONSIDER X Y,Idiomatically CORRECT

CORRECT ANSWER E
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George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.

(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature and portraying them
(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literature and portray them
(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them

E is the correct answer. In E, is 'them' used to refer 'legitimate subjects'?
Actually, I got a message from an expert about A and B. S/he says that we are not allowed to use 'these' to refer to 'people'. I did not get WHY s/he discussed about 'these'? Here, there is no people more then two. So, It's not our headache to discuss about 'these' , is not it?
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"the rural poor" is a group of people, not a place, and is plural, not singular

here "them" used to refer "the rural people","Them" is used as an object, not a subject

"These" can be used with a subject and identifies which people or items are being referenced.
But here, the antecedent of “these” is not clear

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AbdurRakib wrote:
iMyself wrote:

"the rural poor" is a group of people, not a place, and is plural, not singular

here "them" used to refer "the rural people","Them" is used as an object, not a subject

"These" can be used with a subject and identifies which people or items are being referenced.
But here, the antecedent of “these” is not clear

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the location of 'these' in A and B is the object of ' rural poor'. 'these' can not be the object of people ( rural poor). But, 'these' can indicate people in the starting point of the sentence. So, for that reason A and B can't survive in the competition.
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For further understanding I found below Expert reply useful
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He said,

"A) "...to consider the poor to be subjects for literature and portray these..." - "these" could refer to "poor" or "subjects" - it's unclear what the pronoun "these" refers to

B) "...to consider the poor subjects for literature and to portray them..." - here "them" is set up to clearly refer to "the poor" - partially as a more logical personal pronoun ("these" is more of an adjective...these what?) and also because the "and to portray" is perfectly parallel with "to consider" meaning that the object of both verbs is thus parallel ("to consider the poor _______ and to portray THEM (the poor) ______")"
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I can say,These shoes are expensive.
I can't say "These are expensive." These what? These shoes, these cars, these houses? This is an example of a pronoun that cannot stand by itself. I have to put the noun behind the "these".
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AbdurRakib wrote:
iMyself wrote:
iMyself wrote:

the location of 'these' in A and B is the object of ' rural poor'. 'these' can not be the object of people ( rural poor). But, 'these' can indicate people in the starting point of the sentence. So, for that reason A and B can't survive in the competition.
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I can say,These shoes are expensive.
I can't say "These are expensive." These what? These shoes, these cars, these houses? This is an example of a pronoun that cannot stand by itself. I have to put the noun behind the "these".

I'm just talking about the use of 'these', nothing else. I've already meant it what you wrote in the bold letter.
**When we use the word 'consider' just mean 'to believe' or 'to think of', then we use ''consider XY''
here is example:
I consider my sister (X) meritorious (Y).
I consider my mom (X) the best mom in this world (Y).
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Split1) Parallelism. To consider and To portray are in alignment. A, B, C and D are out.

Split2) words such as "to be", "being" or "as if they" are indirect, creating confusion, awkward. A, C and D are out.

Split3) in B "them" vs "these". You are referring to people, so you should say "them" B is incorrect.
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George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.

(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature and portraying them
(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literature and portray them
(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them


First Glance

Notice that the first word of the underline changes significantly in the answer choice; there maybe Structure, Meaning, or Idiom issues.

Issues

(A) Idiom: consider XY

The answer choices present you with a wide range of choices for words that follow consider. Which ones are idiomatically legal?

If you want to say that someone believes a certain thing to be true, the proper structure is consider X Y, as in: She considers Anya funny.

The Y portion of this structure should not be introduced with to be or as or any other expression. Answers (A), (B), (C), and (D) all insert unnecessary words between the X (the rural poor) and Y (legitimate subjects). Eliminate all four.

(2) Pronoun: these

The pronoun these is a demonstrative pronoun. A simple example of usage might be: She like these apples. In that example, the pronoun refers to the noun apple. What does these refer to in this sentence?

In the original sentence, these refers to legitimate subjects, a noun within the same clause. When these is used as a subject, though, it is not allowed to refer to another noun within the same clause. Answer (B) repeats the error; answers (C), (D), and (E) all replace these with the object them, an acceptable usage. Eliminate answers (A) and (B).

(3) Parallelism: X and Y

The word and indicates parallelism: to consider and portray. Consider is not underlined, so portray must match that form. Either portray or to portray would be acceptable.

Answer (C) changes portray to portraying. This isn't parallel to the non-underlined construction to consider; eliminate answer (C).

Note: It is actually acceptable not to repeat the word to before portray, but when the two parts of the parallel structure are far apart, it's preferable to repeat the full infinitive structure for both.

The Correct Answer

Correct answer (E) fixes the initial idiom error by removing the extraneous words included in the other choices; it also corrects the initial pronoun error by replacing these with them.
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Page: 694

George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.

(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature and portraying them
(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literature and portray them
(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them


A "These" lacks a noun to modify.
B "These" lacks a noun to modify.
C "As being" is wrong. They aren't being considered "as being" legitimate subjects--they are being considered "legitimate subjects."
D "Portray them" is not parallel with "to consider."
E Correct.
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Question No.: SC 119
Page: 694

George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.

(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these

These must refer to rural poor hence wrong

(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these

Same as A. Should distort the meaning

(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature and portraying them
Parallelism Error

(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literature and portray them
Correct

(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them

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