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Right now, I just don't even want to think about retaking... I'm just dead tired after almost 3 month of preparation and moreover, I don't think that my family and my friends would be delighted to forget about me the next month or two. But I won't give up and would appreciate any ideas, suggestions etc.
You've been on this forum for quite some time, so you already know that this is not something that is uncommon. The GMAT is far from perfect, but very large score differences (GMAT/GMATPrep) are just not "real". You should ask yourself whether your GMATPrep scores were valid (take into account test conditions and exposure to questions). If they were, it is almost certain that you can do well on the actual GMAT as well. I would also advise you to do what MK1480 said: work on your stamina. The GMAT is a standardized test. It clearly cannot provide a "new" experience to every one of the approximately 250,000 people who take the exam every year. So when you feel that the verbal was "very, very complex and difficult to digest" or that "the questions in the guides and GMATprep are not representative any more", you need to ask yourself whether you were under more pressure or were more tired than normal while taking the exam. If yes, you should feel a lot more confident about a retake.
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I would like to thank all of you for your suggestions and advices. I also think that lack of stamina was my biggest problem on that day and it was what made my verbal score dive down from possible 35 to 24. Futhermore, I was indeed tired on that day as I had slept very badly (my 2 year son was ill, and I had to wake up 2-3 times per night) the whole week prior to my exam and have learned for 13-15 hours a day: burn out. I'm not a kind of person to blame all the other factors for my poor performance, that's why I'll try it one more time. I'll take a couple of days to calm down and will proceed with my preparation for the second attempt.

But what I said about the quant part has nothing to do with my condition on that day, I just didn't have a feeling that the structure and the distribution of questions match what I've done and heared from others before. I had may be 2 Inequalities, 3 geometry, 2-3 coordinate geometry (including some questions about the lines like the distance between a and b is less that....) and the rest --> Word problems. I don't have problems with this type of questions, but I just didn't expect to see so many of that kind on the test day --> I've just exhausted my verbal skills already in the quant part :). Additionally, these word problems were based more on logic and reasoning than on math skills (rate problems, percent problems etc. what one usually can see on that kind of questions).

Hi Rich, below you can find my response regarding your points 1-6:
When you took your CATs:
1) Did you take the ENTIRE CAT (including the Essay and IR sections)?
No, I've always skipped both of them (on the exam I had absolutely no problems with essay, and just answered IR section randomly, I was not interested to have a good score on this part and used it as a rest before the quant part.

2) Did you take them at home? --> Yes
3) Did you take them at the same time of day as your Official GMAT? --> No, I took them randomly during the day
4) Did you ever do ANYTHING during your CATs that you couldn't do on Test Day (pause the CAT, skip sections, take longer breaks, etc.)? --> I've skipped Essay and IR
5) Did you ever take a CAT more than once?
6) Did you take just the one GMAC CAT? --> I took only one GMAC CAT under real test conditions, and several time I made only quant or verbal part.

Thank you guys, I hope next time I'll do much better and my dream to do an MBA comes true !
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Hi BrainLab,

The extra information that you've provided is quite useful, as it helps to define what went wrong on Test Day. In real basic terms, you took your CATs in such a way that you were NOT properly training to face the Official GMAT - so you were not ready to face it on Test Day (not either time). The lack of sleep and the possible burn-out were also likely factors in your performance.

Test Day is a rather specific 'event' - the details are specific and they matter, so you have to train as best as you can for all of them. The more realistic you can make your CATs, the more likely the score results are to be accurate. The more you deviate, the more "inflated" your scores can become - and that's what happened here. By skipping sections, taking the CATs at home, taking them at different times of day, etc., you weren't properly training for the FULL GMAT 'experience.'

Thankfully, this is a relatively easy set of problems to fix. The big question now is "how long will it take you to properly get 'used to' taking the full GMAT in a realistic fashion?" You'll certainly need a new set of practice CATs to work with and you have to put in the necessary time to train your brain (and body) for the FULL GMAT. You might also need to invest in some new GMAT training materials.

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Hi BrainLab,

The extra information that you've provided is quite useful, as it helps to define what went wrong on Test Day. In real basic terms, you took your CATs in such a way that you were NOT properly training to face the Official GMAT - so you were not ready to face it on Test Day (not either time). The lack of sleep and the possible burn-out were also likely factors in your performance.

Test Day is a rather specific 'event' - the details are specific and they matter, so you have to train as best as you can for all of them. The more realistic you can make your CATs, the more likely the score results are to be accurate. The more you deviate, the more "inflated" your scores can become - and that's what happened here. By skipping sections, taking the CATs at home, taking them at different times of day, etc., you weren't properly training for the FULL GMAT 'experience.'

Thankfully, this is a relatively easy set of problems to fix. The big question now is "how long will it take you to properly get 'used to' taking the full GMAT in a realistic fashion?" You'll certainly need a new set of practice CATs to work with and you have to put in the necessary time to train your brain (and body) for the FULL GMAT. You might also need to invest in some new GMAT training materials.

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Hi Rich, first of all, thank you for your time, it's not the first time you make valuable and detailed replies.
1. The big question now is "how long will it take you to properly get 'used to' taking the full GMAT in a realistic fashion?"
2. You'll certainly need a new set of practice CATs to work with and you have to put in the necessary time to train your brain (and body) for the FULL GMAT.
I think I need at least 5-6 CATs under real conditions wihtout skipping any part this time. I've not yet done GMATprep exams 3 and 4.
Question: are there some other comparable CATs one can buy ? I have 3 more MGMAT CATs and several KAPLAN CATs. Problem with MGMAT - Quant is to hard, and currently I don't see any need to invest to much time in basic. KAPLAN Quant is too easy, but verbal part is also harder than that of GMAT.

3. You might also need to invest in some new GMAT training materials
Which material would you suggest at this stage ?

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Hi BrainLab,

The CATs that you currently have access to should be fine - you just have to make sure to use them correctly and make sure to 'match up' the details with what you'll face on Test Day (take the CAT away from your home, at the same time of day as your Official GMAT, etc.). It's possible that you could 'fix' all of these issues on your own. The big drop in score also hints that there might have been some other aspects to your studies that were not ideal.

1) How long did you study? You stated 'almost 3 months', but was that really close to 3 (or closer to 2)? Was it consistent? Were you studying the same general amount each week?
2) What materials did you use?

Thankfully, the GMAT is a predictable, standardized Test, so you can train to score at a higher level.

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Mentioning that the OG quant questions were not representative of the real test hints to me that you're focusing more on the question type and hoping you see the same type of question on the exam rather than simply being able to answer the question on the exam and since they did not sufficiently resemble what you had previously seen, you had difficulties answering them.

In any case, I went through the same thing, I scored high on the verbal and low on the quant, really low, was really frustrated after hoping I'd be done with the GMAT, waited a week and studied for another 8 weeks and brought up my quant to a 47, which I was happy with, giving me a 710.

I think much of the frustration on here comes from people scoring below their CAT tests which seem to basically inflate people's expectations. I personally only did the 2 GMATprep tests in order to get an idea of the format.
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Hi BrainLab,

The CATs that you currently have access to should be fine - you just have to make sure to use them correctly and make sure to 'match up' the details with what you'll face on Test Day (take the CAT away from your home, at the same time of day as your Official GMAT, etc.). It's possible that you could 'fix' all of these issues on your own. The big drop in score also hints that there might have been some other aspects to your studies that were not ideal.

1) How long did you study? You stated 'almost 3 months', but was that really close to 3 (or closer to 2)? Was it consistent? Were you studying the same general amount each week?
2) What materials did you use?

Thankfully, the GMAT is a predictable, standardized Test, so you can train to score at a higher level.

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Hi Rich,

I've studied 25+ hours/each week for 3 Month.
Materials used:
1. Official Guides (og 13, og 16, quant&verbal reviews)
2. Extract from GMATprep 60% of all questions (Accuracy: Verbal sections 80+, quant 85+)
3. MGMAT 8 guides
4. VERITAS DS Guide
5. And many other resources as e-gmat for SC, CR Bible, Kaplan etc. Futhermore I had an errorlog and result matrix.
I think I just need to speed up on verbal and build stamina using CATs.
6. I have analyzed each question - both wrong and correct answers.
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Dear BrainLab,

Sometimes “life happens” and we are not able to get the desired results. You should not think about the last attempt and approach the next one with a positive mindset.

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Hi BrainLab,

The materials that you used are primarily book-based; many Test Takers who take that type of study approach end up getting 'stuck' at a particular score level. That might have also been a factor in your case. Based on everything that you’ve described over these posts, I think that you would find the EMPOWERgmat Total Score Booster to be quite helpful. Most of our clients complete that Study Plan in well under 2 months, so the time commitment wouldn't be that bad. We have a variety of free resources on our site (www.empowergmat.com), so you can 'test out' the Course before setting up an Account.

If you have any additional questions, then you can feel free to contact me directly.

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Hi Rich, Hi Rajat,

apologize for the delay in replying, I had to take a time-out from GMAT and forums. Thanks for your tips and advices, I'll take a look on the courses provided and contact you directly after reviewing each of them. My verbal score needs definitively a booster and I think I won't be able to make it on my own.

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