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# GMAT 620 (Q 39 V 35) : Knocked over, not knocked out

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GMAT 620 (Q 39 V 35) : Knocked over, not knocked out [#permalink]

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15 Nov 2011, 22:54
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Gave my GMAT today and scored an abysmal 620 (Q 39 V 35)
I was expecting something in the range of 660-690. So when the score of 620 popped up on the screen,it was bit of a rude surprise.
What aggravates me more is the fact that I will not be able to apply for fall 2012 programs.

My scoring debacle made its presence clear from my third MGMAT test. I scored a 550 (Q 34 V 36) on my very first GMAT prep test without any studies.
Here are the results of my MGMAT tests
MGMAT 1 650 ( Q 44 V35)
MGMAT 2 670 ( Q 46 V 35)
MGMAT 3 550 ( Q 33 V 32)
MGMAT 4 640

I have no clue why this started happening but from my third MGMAT test onwards, no matter how much I studied, my quant score continued to slide down.Verbal score has stuck around the same 35 region without any change even with a 3 month preparation time.
BTW I have gone through all the MGMAT math guides more than twice and solved all the OG 12 Quant questions twice till now.
I think my biggest problem with Quant is although I understand the concepts fine, I completely screw it up when I need to apply those to a problem.
Either way, I am going to take a small break from GMAT try hard and find out what is screwing up my quant score, re-evaluate my strategies and hopefully get a better score and apply in 2012.

Any help in re-evaluating my strategies/tips/tricks/prayer and sacrifice ideas for the GMAT devil are highly welcome.
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Re: GMAT 620 (Q 39 V 35) : Knocked over, not knocked out [#permalink]

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16 Nov 2011, 19:25
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@Capricorn369
The verbal split was pretty standard.very similar to what you see in the MGMAT and GMATprep CATS.
I got 4 RCs and two of them were fairly tough.none of them were too long though.
Rest was split between SC and CR
I also got 2 complete the sentence questions and one of them was very difficult.
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Re: GMAT 620 (Q 39 V 35) : Knocked over, not knocked out [#permalink]

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15 Nov 2011, 23:03
Quick de-brief :
Quant : Questions were pretty similar to the ones seen on GMAT and GMAT prep tests.

Verbal : The verbal questions were some of the most difficult ones I have seen on any test.One of the RCs was seriously confusing.It was short but every sentence in that RC was convoluted and the meaning was twisted in such a manner that I had to re-read every sentence slowly to get a gist of what it was trying to say.I had 2 "complete the sentence questions" and one of them was very confusing.I boiled it down to two answer choices and both of them fit perfectly and made perfect logical sense while completing the sentence

Oh and one more thing : I was NOT ALLOWED to write anything on my yellow scratch pads during my break.I started writing the essay templates before the AWA section when the proctor came in and warned me not to write anything on the pad outside my allotted test time
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Re: GMAT 620 (Q 39 V 35) : Knocked over, not knocked out [#permalink]

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16 Nov 2011, 00:02
Every other debrief is shocking .... i guess GMAC has made some changes, and we are still relying on the Old-material .. including OG-12 / GMAT prep software ....
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16 Nov 2011, 00:31
Zynga wrote:
BTW I have gone through all the MGMAT math guides more than twice and solved all the OG 12 Quant questions twice till now.
I think my biggest problem with Quant is although I understand the concepts fine, I completely screw it up when I need to apply those to a problem.

Yes, this is the biggest problem which most of us face while preparing for the GMAT. We know the concepts and we practice a lot of questions, yet when we see a new question which is slightly twisted, it throws us off balance. What is really important is that you should be able to identify the pattern in the questions instead of plainly practicing the questions. Pattern recognition is the way to go on the GMAT.

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Re: GMAT 620 (Q 39 V 35) : Knocked over, not knocked out [#permalink]

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16 Nov 2011, 07:55
shovitdhar wrote:
Zynga wrote:
BTW I have gone through all the MGMAT math guides more than twice and solved all the OG 12 Quant questions twice till now.
I think my biggest problem with Quant is although I understand the concepts fine, I completely screw it up when I need to apply those to a problem.

Yes, this is the biggest problem which most of us face while preparing for the GMAT. We know the concepts and we practice a lot of questions, yet when we see a new question which is slightly twisted, it throws us off balance. What is really important is that you should be able to identify the pattern in the questions instead of plainly practicing the questions. Pattern recognition is the way to go on the GMAT.

" pattern recognition" means , question is from geometry => related to circles => applying circle properties
or Question from SC => //ism is tested =>
or does it mean something else. can you please explain it in detail, if possible with example
THanks
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Re: GMAT 620 (Q 39 V 35) : Knocked over, not knocked out [#permalink]

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16 Nov 2011, 12:05
shrive555 wrote:
Every other debrief is shocking .... i guess GMAC has made some changes, and we are still relying on the Old-material .. including OG-12 / GMAT prep software ....

this is not what I meant to say.
The current material is more than enough to fully prepare you for the GMAT.
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Re: GMAT 620 (Q 39 V 35) : Knocked over, not knocked out [#permalink]

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16 Nov 2011, 18:26
Zynga wrote:
shrive555 wrote:
Every other debrief is shocking .... i guess GMAC has made some changes, and we are still relying on the Old-material .. including OG-12 / GMAT prep software ....

this is not what I meant to say.
The current material is more than enough to fully prepare you for the GMAT.

@Zynga - Sorry to hear about you score bro. As everyone said, implementing a concept into real questions is challenge for everyone. We need to do more practice, i guess.

Can you provide more details about your verbal part? What was the split for SC/CR/RC? How many RC did you get and the difficulty level for each of SC/CR/RC compared to GMATPrep and MGMAT?
I'm taking my GMAT tomorrow. Any insight will be truly appreciated.

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16 Nov 2011, 19:42
Zynga wrote:
@Capricorn369
The verbal split was pretty standard.very similar to what you see in the MGMAT and GMATprep CATS.
I got 4 RCs and two of them were fairly tough.none of them were too long though.
Rest was split between SC and CR
I also got 2 complete the sentence questions and one of them was very difficult.

Thank you Zynga for the quick response. Kudos to you!
btw, how was SC? I understand that idioms have been removed from SC but how was the difficulty level of SC?
I only need V36

Cheers!
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Re: GMAT 620 (Q 39 V 35) : Knocked over, not knocked out [#permalink]

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16 Nov 2011, 21:27
It's pretty weird that they are coming out with these fill the blank verbal questions. I think you're right in re-evaluating your strategy and giving it another try in the future. Good luck!

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16 Nov 2011, 21:40
Capricorn369 wrote:
Thank you Zynga for the quick response. Kudos to you!
btw, how was SC? I understand that idioms have been removed from SC but how was the difficulty level of SC?
I only need V36

Cheers!

To be honest with you, I never tried to memorize all the idioms.I mostly went by my ear.I thought the SCs were a fair mix.So decently easay and some tough.
I thought I did horribly in my verbal and still ended up scoring 35.
So V36 should not be a problem for you
All the best
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16 Nov 2011, 21:49
Bummer. I would recommend the MGMAT Math Foundations.

there is also a new book from MGMAT - GMAT Plan. It is not anything top secret but a great collection of GMAT advice and common sense that sometimes we don't quite apply to our prep.

I would bet you could get 700 with just those 2 books (the GMAT Plan one is pretty casual)
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16 Nov 2011, 23:13
Zynga wrote:
Capricorn369 wrote:
Thank you Zynga for the quick response. Kudos to you!
btw, how was SC? I understand that idioms have been removed from SC but how was the difficulty level of SC?
I only need V36

Cheers!

To be honest with you, I never tried to memorize all the idioms.I mostly went by my ear.I thought the SCs were a fair mix.So decently easay and some tough.
I thought I did horribly in my verbal and still ended up scoring 35.
So V36 should not be a problem for you
All the best

Thanks Bro.
My 2 cents - to improve quant, you might want to consider Knewton course (\$350 value). My verbal improved a lot and i think, quant is also pretty good.
Cheers!
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17 Nov 2011, 00:12
Thanks bb and Capricorn369.
I will surely look into the Knewton Course and the MGMAT - GMAT Plan book
Cheers
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17 Nov 2011, 14:47
@bb:
I tried searching for MGMAT -GMAT plan book, but didn't find anything.
Are you referring to the MGMAT - GMAT Roadmap book ?
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