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# GMAT Club Experimental SC 2-1

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Re: GMAT Club Experimental SC 2-1 [#permalink]

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22 Mar 2009, 11:27
sanjay_gmat wrote:
botirvoy wrote:
sanjay_gmat wrote:

After "rise by", I expect a number not a preposition. Does someone else think the same way?

Although "rise by between" reads awkwardly, I don't think there is a better way to show that smth "rise by" a certain range.

"rise by between x and y" can be replaced by "rise between x to y"...

I honestly haven't seen a single sentence with the "rise by between" usage..

I just searched for the sentence:
http://www.economist.com/science/displa ... d=13277407
Have you seen it now?

Although the sentence could be optimised in respects other than the usage of "rise by", because "rise" has many meanings (check here http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rise), I am much more comfortable with "rise by" than just "rise".

For example, "rise", "rise by", "rise to", and "rise at" in most cases have different meaning.

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Re: GMAT Club Experimental SC 2-1 [#permalink]

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22 Mar 2009, 14:00
botirvoy wrote:
botirvoy wrote:
sanjay_gmat wrote:

"rise by between x and y" can be replaced by "rise between x to y"...

I honestly haven't seen a single sentence with the "rise by between" usage..

I just searched for the sentence:
http://www.economist.com/science/displa ... d=13277407
Have you seen it now?

Although the sentence could be optimised in respects other than the usage of "rise by", because "rise" has many meanings (check here http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rise), I am much more comfortable with "rise by" than just "rise".

For example, "rise", "rise by", "rise to", and "rise at" in most cases have different meaning.

My bad, what I meant was that "rise by between x and y" can be replaced by "rise by x to y"...

Botivroy, with due respect, you can find almost anything that you wish to on internet these days. True, that the one that you found is on Economist, but what's the guarantee that it's the right usage. I am a decent reader and this is honestly the first time I came across "the rise by between" usage.

I just found a page for you (on BBC) that uses both "will" and "rise by between" in the same sentence. The best part is that the author is predicting something. So, should we take this as golden and also assume that one can safely use "will" with predict. So many have raised doubts over this too..

take a look at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7349236.stm

and look for the following sentence :

"But by the end of the century, we predict it will rise by between 0.8m and 1.5m".

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22 Mar 2009, 16:03
sanjay_gmat wrote:

My bad, what I meant was that "rise by between x and y" can be replaced by "rise by x to y"...

Botivroy, with due respect, you can find almost anything that you wish to on internet these days. True, that the one that you found is on Economist, but what's the guarantee that it's the right usage. I am a decent reader and this is honestly the first time I came across "the rise by between" usage.

I just found a page for you (on BBC) that uses both "will" and "rise by between" in the same sentence. The best part is that the author is predicting something. So, should we take this as golden and also assume that one can safely use "will" with predict. So many have raised doubts over this too..

take a look at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7349236.stm

and look for the following sentence :

"But by the end of the century, we predict it will rise by between 0.8m and 1.5m".

Assuming we only really care about usage in GMAT world, GMAC edits the sentences it takes even from such sources as New York Times so that those sentences comply with the many nuances of stardardized testing. So, I am not saying that we should take those sentences as absolute.

In general, for us there is no way to determine whether GMAC would use "rise by between" unless someone has actually seen it. All we can do is, make sure that the construction is used in a few instances by respectable sources.

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I just found a page for you (on BBC) that uses both "will" and "rise by between" in the same sentence. The best part is that the author is predicting something. So, should we take this as golden and also assume that one can safely use "will" with predict. So many have raised doubts over this too..

Actually, I think you use, in gmatland, "will" with "predict" as long as "predict" is in present tense

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Re: GMAT Club Experimental SC 2-1 [#permalink]

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24 Oct 2009, 09:07
This question is a good one but seems to be easier than the real GMAT because the trick here is too common

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09 Dec 2011, 00:04
Almost everybody got this incorrect and fell into the trap. This is definitely a 750+

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09 Dec 2011, 03:21
I got the trap tense in the initial presuppose that made its prediction is too long. But the problem in tense is more severe. Nice one.
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09 Dec 2011, 07:44
A really good question...I was confused a bit between A and B, coz we need 'would' for referring to future in past. Also, 'lacking' rhymes with 'behaving' (||ism). Others cant be correct because 'would' is mandatory here.
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