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Apart from GMAT Prep can anyone suggest me which of the above mentioned are the best to take mock tests, I would like to take up atleast 4 Full Mock Tests.

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23 Aug 2013, 18:35
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Apart from GMAT Prep can anyone suggest me which of the above mentioned are the best to take mock tests, I would like to take up atleast 4 Full Mock Tests.

and as you might find out after going through the above link... mgmat is the closest to gmat. you get 6 tests. and you can get them for free when you buy any of their guides. I would suggest Sentence Correction as they are the best in that space and that only \$18

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26 Aug 2013, 20:33
Can one get a 60..?

Say if someone is able to complete the test in 45 minutes, getting all answers correct...?

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26 Aug 2013, 20:59
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Can one get a 60..?

Say if someone is able to complete the test in 45 minutes, getting all answers correct...?

One day yes, but now - I don't believe so. 51 is Max and other scores are reserved for future use per the GMAC.
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29 Aug 2013, 22:32
Thanks Bunuel for this awesomeness...! +1M from me.
Do we have anybody reported any of these scenarios in REAL GMAT till date?

But just a thought - I think GMAC is pretty well aware of this demystification of GMAT, so don't you think they'll probably do more modification in its REAL GMAT algorithm in order to invalidate these scenarios ?

However,still I'd say that some of these scenarios will hold good (with a caveat that the person is as smart as the one who has demystified it) as you've depicted some absolute cases where someone attempts first 10 correctly and next 9 or so guess and then again some correct attempt...No guarantee that the correct attempts will be 100% right under test condition as not everybody taking the test is either bb or Bunuel So this could be a relaxing point for GMAC not worrying too much about modification of REAL GMAT algorithm.
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07 Sep 2013, 05:24
Hi bb/Bunuel,
In a PRACTICE test other than GMAT Prep, can you please let me know if I answer 22 questions correct and 15 incorrect as per the following segregation what should be the expected Quant score?

First 10--> C- 7; I-3

Second 10--> C- 7; I-3

Third 10--> C- 4; I-6

Last 7--> C- 4; I-3

P.S: It's NOT MGMAT test, so we can assume that the difficulty level is NOT extremely high.
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10 Sep 2013, 12:28
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Hi bb/Bunuel,
In a PRACTICE test other than GMAT Prep, can you please let me know if I answer 22 questions correct and 15 incorrect as per the following segregation what should be the expected Quant score?

First 10--> C- 7; I-3

Second 10--> C- 7; I-3

Third 10--> C- 4; I-6

Last 7--> C- 4; I-3

P.S: It's NOT MGMAT test, so we can assume that the difficulty level is NOT extremely high.

Hey Guys,
Any thoughts on the above?

Looking forward to hear from you...!
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11 Sep 2013, 04:07
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Hi bb/Bunuel,
In a PRACTICE test other than GMAT Prep, can you please let me know if I answer 22 questions correct and 15 incorrect as per the following segregation what should be the expected Quant score?

First 10--> C- 7; I-3

Second 10--> C- 7; I-3

Third 10--> C- 4; I-6

Last 7--> C- 4; I-3

P.S: It's NOT MGMAT test, so we can assume that the difficulty level is NOT extremely high.

Hey Guys,
Any thoughts on the above?

Looking forward to hear from you...!

Hard to say, depends on the questions you answer correctly and incorrectly... But it looks like case #4, so the score should be 45-48.
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14 Sep 2013, 23:31
Hi All,

First of all... great analysis. But I have some doubts of my own

Day before yesterday I gave my GMAT prep and I must say I am shocked. Let my present a few stats -

GMAT Prep 1 - 760 (9th Sep, 2013). Q50 V43

Q - 8 Questions wrong (2,3,20,31,34,35,36)
V - 9 Questions wrong (13,15,20,21,29,31,32,35,40)

Here I must admit that the scores are a bit distorted. One of the RC passage was as is from OG Verbal Review so I almost, somehow, knew the answers. Plus, I had seen 2-3 CR questions in some forums or PDF's so knew the answers. This helped me save quite some time and I completed the section with 2 minutes in hand.

GMAT Prep 2 - 690 (13th Sep). Q50 V32

Q - 4 Questions wrong (1,26,36,37)
V - 11 Questions wrong (1,2,14,22,23,24,26,28,32,34,38)

Here, I had seen none of the questions previously anywhere. I got 4 wrong in each CR and RC, and 3 in SC.

Is it because of the importance of first 10 Ques ? But then again I got 17/20 in both my mocks for the first 20 Questions.

V32 was a shocker. And, the bigger shocker was that I got only 2 more wrongs than my previous mock and my score fell by 11 points. Damn..!!

Additional Info - I had given GMAT prep on 8th August as well. Somehow, my laptop crashed which was having the GMAT prep software and hence I had to download the software again on a different laptop. On this test, which was given with much lesser practice, following were the stats to the best of my knowledge.

Score - 690. Q48 V37.
15 Questions were wrong each in Quant and Verbal.

As the time left for GMAT is thinning fast, these results have left me jilted. Please guide as to where do I need to improve. Is it a software scoring issue because such massive variations over 2 question is illogical.
Is it because of the importance of 1st 10 Questions?
Or, is it because I got back to back wrongs (22,23,24 in GMAT prep 2) ..??

Any help in this regard is highly appreciable. Please guide..

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15 Sep 2013, 00:25
I am not sure what we can tell you except that you are wasting your valuable time on guessing while it seems the software has pinpointed your score quite well at 690. You should probably spend time on figuring out why you made the mistakes and how not to make them again.

On the GMAT, it is about how many hard questions you answer correctly, not about the total number of questions. There is little correlation between the total number of questions answered correctly and the final score due to the fact that a third of all questions (12 in quant and 14 in verbal) are not scored. I assume you know this basic thing which should provide clarity why your question cannot be answered.
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07 Oct 2013, 11:47
Wow!! what an analysis by Bunuel and Veracules. I'm sure this would be helpful to all GMAT aspirants to understand nature of GMAT.Best of its kind.
Thanks a ton!

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08 Oct 2013, 11:22
Hi Vercules,

Can you please share Verbal guessing strategy as well?
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08 Oct 2013, 14:15
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Hi Vercules,

Can you please share Verbal guessing strategy as well?

Vercules did not guess on any verbal questions - he purposefully answered them wrong. There is no guessing strategy there... the best guessing strategy is not to guess.
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Hi All,

First of all... great analysis. But I have some doubts of my own

Day before yesterday I gave my GMAT prep and I must say I am shocked. Let my present a few stats -

GMAT Prep 1 - 760 (9th Sep, 2013). Q50 V43

Q - 8 Questions wrong (2,3,20,31,34,35,36)
V - 9 Questions wrong (13,15,20,21,29,31,32,35,40)

Here I must admit that the scores are a bit distorted. One of the RC passage was as is from OG Verbal Review so I almost, somehow, knew the answers. Plus, I had seen 2-3 CR questions in some forums or PDF's so knew the answers. This helped me save quite some time and I completed the section with 2 minutes in hand.

GMAT Prep 2 - 690 (13th Sep). Q50 V32

Q - 4 Questions wrong (1,26,36,37)
V - 11 Questions wrong (1,2,14,22,23,24,26,28,32,34,38)

Here, I had seen none of the questions previously anywhere. I got 4 wrong in each CR and RC, and 3 in SC.

Is it because of the importance of first 10 Ques ? But then again I got 17/20 in both my mocks for the first 20 Questions.

V32 was a shocker. And, the bigger shocker was that I got only 2 more wrongs than my previous mock and my score fell by 11 points. Damn..!!

Additional Info - I had given GMAT prep on 8th August as well. Somehow, my laptop crashed which was having the GMAT prep software and hence I had to download the software again on a different laptop. On this test, which was given with much lesser practice, following were the stats to the best of my knowledge.

Score - 690. Q48 V37.
15 Questions were wrong each in Quant and Verbal.

As the time left for GMAT is thinning fast, these results have left me jilted. Please guide as to where do I need to improve. Is it a software scoring issue because such massive variations over 2 question is illogical.
Is it because of the importance of 1st 10 Questions?
Or, is it because I got back to back wrongs (22,23,24 in GMAT prep 2) ..??

Any help in this regard is highly appreciable. Please guide..

Going by the 'First 6 incorrect' scenario and the fact that I fluffed my first few initial questions on my real exam yesterday, I can tell for sure that getting Q-(1,2) wrong set you up perfectly for a lower score than your V43 you got by getting the first 12 right.

In my case, I know that I'm not a Verbal stud and I got an RC way too early in the test. Q-(4,5,6) and I had a gut feeling that I fluffed all the 3 questions there, and viola, I could never recover from that.

Did some soul searching yesterday over a peg of scotch and some self introspection today and registered for the retake already. Looking to ace it this time. Now that I've seen this thread, I know what to do with Verbal. I was an idiot for missing such an important thread. You have so many insights and so much useful information here on how to fine tune your strategy for Verbal.

Get the first 6-7 in Verbal correct and then try to make as mistakes as infrequently as possible and dare I say you can easily hit the 80%-85%ile mark. And if you can repeat your performance from your Prep1 and get the first 12 correct and then make a few mistakes here and there after that, you can still end up with a 95%ile. That's a kick ass score in Verbal.

This is what I intend to do from now on for Verbal. Take more time, use your head wisely for the first 12-15 questions. Taking 30-35 mins for the first 15 questions should be okay IMO especially if you are stuck with a complex RC passage and you need to get your head around it.

I wish I had an idea of this before I took my test. I rushed through the RC set that I got up front and man, I just could not recover ever. I loathed myself so much after seeing my score yesterday. I felt like punching a wall and breaking a window. Damn!

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vivek1303 wrote:
Hi All,

First of all... great analysis. But I have some doubts of my own

Day before yesterday I gave my GMAT prep and I must say I am shocked. Let my present a few stats -

GMAT Prep 1 - 760 (9th Sep, 2013). Q50 V43

Q - 8 Questions wrong (2,3,20,31,34,35,36)
V - 9 Questions wrong (13,15,20,21,29,31,32,35,40)

Here I must admit that the scores are a bit distorted. One of the RC passage was as is from OG Verbal Review so I almost, somehow, knew the answers. Plus, I had seen 2-3 CR questions in some forums or PDF's so knew the answers. This helped me save quite some time and I completed the section with 2 minutes in hand.

GMAT Prep 2 - 690 (13th Sep). Q50 V32

Q - 4 Questions wrong (1,26,36,37)
V - 11 Questions wrong (1,2,14,22,23,24,26,28,32,34,38)

Here, I had seen none of the questions previously anywhere. I got 4 wrong in each CR and RC, and 3 in SC.

Is it because of the importance of first 10 Ques ? But then again I got 17/20 in both my mocks for the first 20 Questions.

V32 was a shocker. And, the bigger shocker was that I got only 2 more wrongs than my previous mock and my score fell by 11 points. Damn..!!

Additional Info - I had given GMAT prep on 8th August as well. Somehow, my laptop crashed which was having the GMAT prep software and hence I had to download the software again on a different laptop. On this test, which was given with much lesser practice, following were the stats to the best of my knowledge.

Score - 690. Q48 V37.
15 Questions were wrong each in Quant and Verbal.

As the time left for GMAT is thinning fast, these results have left me jilted. Please guide as to where do I need to improve. Is it a software scoring issue because such massive variations over 2 question is illogical.
Is it because of the importance of 1st 10 Questions?
Or, is it because I got back to back wrongs (22,23,24 in GMAT prep 2) ..??

Any help in this regard is highly appreciable. Please guide..

Going by the 'First 6 incorrect' scenario and the fact that I fluffed my first few initial questions on my real exam yesterday, I can tell for sure that getting Q-(1,2) wrong set you up perfectly for a lower score than your V43 you got by getting the first 12 right.

In my case, I know that I'm not a Verbal stud and I got an RC way too early in the test. Q-(4,5,6) and I had a gut feeling that I fluffed all the 3 questions there, and viola, I could never recover from that.

Did some soul searching yesterday over a peg of scotch and some self introspection today and registered for the retake already. Looking to ace it this time. Now that I've seen this thread. I was an idiot for missing such an important thread. There is so much information and insights here on how to fine tune your strategy for Verbal.

Get the first 6-7 in Verbal correct and then try to make as mistakes as infrequently as possible and dare I say you can easily hit the 80%-85%ile mark. And if you can repeat your performance from your Prep1 and get the first 12 correct and then make a few mistakes here and there after that, you can still end up with a 95%ile. That's a kick ass score in Verbal.

This is what I intend to do from now on for Verbal. Take more time, use your head wisely for the first 12-15 questions. Taking 30-35 mins for the first 15 questions should be okay IMO especially if you are stuck with a complex RC passage and you need to get your head around it.

I wish I had an idea of this before I took my test. I rushed through the RC set that I got up front and man, I just could not recover ever. I loathed myself so much after seeing my score yesterday. I felt like punching a wall and breaking a window. Damn!

Thanks dude..!!

Anyhow, I am over GMAT now (atleast for the time being...maybe I might take one again next year)
I scored a V36 and I was very dissatisfied (my good Quant score saved the day though)
I was doing very well in the initial questions...was almost striking gold till the 26th Ques. I can say that with confidence because I was getting fully underligned SC questions. 27th Ques. was a long RC....5 paras that totally stumped me. It was followed by another small RC but equally tricky. I messed my time and was left with only 12 minutes to solve the last 8 questions. Rushed and s#!t.
Got 40th ques. as a BF. I think I messed that as well.

Anyway, Best of luck to you....!!!

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Thanks dude..!!

Anyhow, I am over GMAT now (atleast for the time being...maybe I might take one again next year)
I scored a V36 and I was very dissatisfied (my good Quant score saved the day though)
I was doing very well in the initial questions...was almost striking gold till the 26th Ques. I can say that with confidence because I was getting fully underligned SC questions. 27th Ques. was a long RC....5 paras that totally stumped me. It was followed by another small RC but equally tricky. I messed my time and was left with only 12 minutes to solve the last 8 questions. Rushed and s#!t.
Got 40th ques. as a BF. I think I messed that as well.

Anyway, Best of luck to you....!!!

As I said, V36 is still 80%ile which is not bad but it isn't great either especially for someone who is looking for a 740. But the flip side is that, you end up at 720 and you can still apply to schools and have a good chance if you ace your essays.

On the other hand, if you end up at V30 after bombing the first few questions, your score isn't good enough to even apply.

**** me, I'm still hating myself for that performance.

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24 Oct 2013, 22:44
Do I get penalty if I didn't answer all verbal questions?

I saw you got painful result if you do that in Q but how about V?

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Do I get penalty if I didn't answer all verbal questions?

I saw you got painful result if you do that in Q but how about V?

Definitely yes, you get big penalty if you miss questions towards both quant and verbal.
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29 Oct 2013, 08:09
Could we add two more experiments (for quant - should be repeated for verbal too I suppose for 6 and 11 questions).

It would be nice to verify that scenario 1 will result in a higher score than scenario 2.
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04 Nov 2013, 14:37
Hey guys!! First of all, thanks for the amazing work you’ve been doing.

Is it possible to test these scenarios with the new exam pack released by Gmac????
Browsing in this forum (and others) I’ve seen that people have experienced scores not in line with the scenarios in this thread. And most importantly, it looks like they’ve had more problems with the second test they’ve taken; that is, lower scores with more questions answered correctly ( I know the importance of the order in the algorithm). As if the questions pool isn’t big enough to sustain two tests at high scores.

Also, I have a question for Bunuel and Vercules.
Have you resetted the software each time you have tried a scenario??? Or did you do so every 2 scenarios you have tried???
I wonder if the question pool has influenced the score. Of course there would be no such problem on the real test, as the question pool is way bigger.

It’s just that the new exam pack is the closest thing to the real test and it would be great to know as much as possible about it.
So?? What do you think???

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