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C is out because of illogical meaning of growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment

Typically, you don't grow something naturally. they grow themselves - this is what D is saying.

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c1 : To meet the rapid rising market demand for fish and seafood
c2 : suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate
c3 : cutting their feed allotment by nearly half
c4: and raising them on special diet.

Also note 1) Suppliers is the subject , are is the verb .
2) Pronoun "Their natural growth rate" , " Their feed allotment " Who's is this their is not clear ?

Does it refer to the suppliers or fish ? However since all answers have this ambiguity ( Looks like pronoun ambiguity is allowed )

Options B , E can be eliminated due to parralelism .
Option C : suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally ??? Doesnt make sense .

Would go with option D since it makes the best sense .

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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.
A their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
B their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
C growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
D they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
E they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut.

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c1 : To meet the rapid rising market demand for fish and seafood
c2 : suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate
c3 : cutting their feed allotment by nearly half
c4: and raising them on special diet.

Also note 1) Suppliers is the subject , are is the verb .
2) Pronoun "Their natural growth rate" , " Their feed allotment " Who's is this their is not clear ?

Does it refer to the suppliers or fish ? However since all answers have this ambiguity ( Looks like pronoun ambiguity is allowed )

Options B , E can be eliminated due to parralelism .
Option C : suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally ??? Doesnt make sense .

Would go with option D since it makes the best sense .

Can you please help me if my understanding is correct ie the clauses/ split and S-V pairs ? Also if there is better solution to this problem .

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It seems you didn’t quite understand how to split a sentence into its clauses. I would strongly recommend you to revisit the basics of clauses and get a firm grasp on identifying clauses before proceeding any further.

Having said that, let me break the given sentence for you.
To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are
o growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate,
o cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and
o raising them on special diets.

The given sentence contains only a single clause. However it contains a list as shown.

Now let's discuss the errors in this sentence:
Error 1
Now observe this sentence.
Suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate.
This sentence has incorrect elliptical usage. This sentence can actually mean either of the following two:

a. Suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as suppliers are growing their natural growth rate.
b. Suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate is growing fish.

But both these sentences do not make sense and are illogical.

Consider the following simple examples to get an idea on ellipsis.
i. Mike runs faster than a horse (Mike runs faster than a horse runs)
ii. George likes milk better than coffee. (George likes milk better than he likes Coffee)

Now compare these correct usages with the incorrect elliptical usages of the given sentence mentioned above. You can clearly see that the ellipsis used in the given sentence doesn’t make sense. This is a major error in the given sentence.

Error 2
Also, there is another usage error in the sentence.
Observe that “growth rate” is described as “fast”
Let us take a parallel for better understanding

Rate = speed
Now which one of the following do you think is correct?
    Speed is fast. OR
    Speed is more/higher.
Saying “speed is fast” is definitely incorrect.
“Speed is more than something” or “Speed is higher than something” is appropriate
On similar lines, growth rate cannot be faster. Growth rate can be higher.
This is another error in the given sentence.

Error 3
Coming to the pronoun ambiguity, lets first apply our pronoun framework:

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

1: What is the logical antecedent of "their", "they"?
Logically these pronouns must refer to "fish".

2: Are there any other nouns in plural (since the pronouns are plural), that could be referred to by these pronouns?
Yes, these pronouns could refer to "suppliers". Thus, there appears to be ambiguity.

3: Is there any answer choice that solves this ambiguity?
No, all answer choices have similar structure.

Thus, in this question, pronoun ambiguity is acceptable to a certain degree. This question exemplifies the fact that pronoun ambiguity rules are hazy and we must not eliminate answer choices right away based on this error. We must first eliminate the answer choices based on other more definite error types - SV, verb, parallelism, modifiers

You can read the framework for “Pronoun Ambiguity” here.
You can find references to OG Questions dealing with Pronoun ambiguity in the following links
Link 1, Link 2

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Your explanations for eliminating the other options can be less ambiguous and more detailed. So with the above sentence structure in mind, I would like you to solve the question again and come up with the solution.

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OA D...

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish (twice as fast as their natural growth rate, )cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

'twice as fast as they grow naturally' - is the perfect fit.

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(A) their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
(B) their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
(C) growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
(D) they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
(E) they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut

growing, cutting and raising - parallel so B & E are out.

left w/ A, C, D
A) fast as rate? rate can be high not fast -OUT
C) growing them naturally - illogical - OUT

Left w/ D!
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Comparison in C is not logical.

To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment

In nature fish grow by themselves suppliers do not grow them naturally. Therefore C is not logical.

suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as (rate) fish grow naturally.

Suppliers are trying to grow fish at double rate, the rate at which fish grow naturally.

This is a GMATPrep question and OA is D. C is wrong.
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I answered my own Q. It has to be parallel. Sub Verb as .. As Sub Verb

Has to be C

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the answer of this question cannot be C !! if u read C literally, which in fact u should, then u will realize that its meaning is nonsensical .i will explain why is C wrong

C says : To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment......

the bold portion in C gives a notion that suppliers are growing the fish naturally !! this is never possible . fish "themselves" grow naturally .no one but GOD can grow fish naturally .yes u can increase the growth rate of fish "artificially" but u can never grow fish "naturally"

there are other errors in C as well. i can elaborate if u want

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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

A. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
B. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
C. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
D. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
E. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut


clever trick.
I got stuck between C and D, and unfortunately I fell in the trap of grammar!
while over and over it is emphasized that meaning first, grammar second!
in D, it seems that they refers to suppliers, base on parallelism structure. but this is illogical parallelism.
C is the correct answer.

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in D, it seems that they refers to suppliers, base on parallelism structure. but this is illogical parallelism.

Absolutely agree, but this only corroborates the point that has been made umpteen times before: do not eliminate an answer choice based upon pronoun ambiguity.

To summarize, an ambiguous pronoun (a pronoun with multiple antecedents) is acceptable on GMAT; an orphan pronoun (a pronoun with no antecedent) is not.

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C is the correct answer.

D is the OA actually, for the reason cited above that C introduces an illogical meaning.

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Where is plural fishes....like wise for their ?? :|

I am hoping your question is of a general academic interest, and not specific to this question, since all the options in this question refer to fish as plural, so whether fish is singular or plural, is a moot point here.

This approach is actually important, because one needs to have an eye for the various differences in the options, to quickly figure out what the SC is testing. Clearly fish being singular or plural is not being tested here.
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

A. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment fish is the object. needs an object pronoun "they"
B. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut needs object pronoun "they". Violates parallelism ---> "cutting" and "raising"
C. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotmentsounds awkward when used with the sentence
D. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment Correct. Uses object pronoun "they" and is good in parallelism
E. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cutViolates parallelism

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A. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment fish is the object. needs an object pronoun "they"
D. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment Correct. Uses object pronoun "they" and is good in parallelism

Perhaps you wanted to say subject pronoun (and not object pronoun).

Also, as noted in my post above, the use of they is at best ambiguous in option D (since, from a parallelism perspective, they seems to be referring to suppliers, while the intent is obviously that they should refer to fish).
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Can u please point out exactly what is wrong in A? I find the usage of "their" and "they" in option A and option D respectively, both ambiguous.
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A says: suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate

That is incorrect, because in comparisons, rate is fast is not a valid usage.

For example, following is incorrect:

Rate of growth of crop X is faster than rate of growth of crop X.

Following would be correct:

Rate of growth of crop X is twice the rate of growth of crop X.
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The faulty comparison here is between "growth rate" of the fish and the fish "growing".
The point is that the 2 are different.
Eliminate A and B.
Not sure what specific rule E is violating but the ", with" just feels way out of place in the sentence.
I can't think of a specific reason for eliminating C except that D looks better...

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Not sure what specific rule E is violating but the ", with" just feels way out of -place in the sentence.

suppliers are growing fish twice as fast by doing two things:

i) cutting their feed allotment and
ii) raising them on special diets

So, cutting and raising need to have a similar structure. Since raising is in the non-underlined portion, we need to have cutting in the underlined portion.

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I can't think of a specific reason for eliminating C except that D looks better...

growing them naturally is incorrect. No one can grow anyone naturally; the very fact that growth is natural, implies that they grown on their own.
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

A. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
B. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
C. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
D. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
E. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut


The answer is indeed D. Here are the important takeaways:

1) Here fast is an adverb modifying verb grow. Since fast is a determinant adverb used in comparison, make sure it modifies a verb in the other part of comparison. Here growth rate is not a verb but a noun.
2) Growth rate is a rate which can high or low but cannot be fast or slow.
3) Here growing them naturally doesn't make sense. Natural growth is something in which nobody has to do anything. So you cannot "grow" something naturally. So make sure things make logical sense.
4) Note that both fish and seafood are plural forms. Fishes is often used to denote species of fish.
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

A. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
B. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
C. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
D. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
E. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment cut

Can anyone explain why fish is used with a plural pronoun They/their?



check the last part of the sentence :

raising them on special diets --them refers to fish


Thanks for the reply.
What I meant was why Fish, which I think is singular, used with a plural pronoun?
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To meet the rapidly rising market demand for fish and seafood, suppliers are growing fish twice as fast as their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment by nearly half and raising them on special diets.

a. their natural growth rate, cutting their feed allotment
b. their natural growth rate, their feed allotment cut
c. growing them naturally, cutting their feed allotment
d. they grow naturally, cutting their feed allotment
e. they grow naturally, with their feed allotment


Im stuck between C and D.
Cant we say suppliers are
    growing fish twice as fast as
    growing them(fish)

Subject is suppliers first and then we shift it to fish saying they grow naturally.

Please explain.

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The comparison marker "twice as fast as" can be used to compare two clauses (verbs) with different subjects. Here the clauses compared are:
1. Suppliers are growing fish.
2. they grow naturally.

(The verbs "are growing" and "grow" are correctly compared.)

C is wrong because the verb "are growing" is wrongly compared to present participle "growing".
If you consider that the second "growing" is also a verb with its helping verb "are" omitted in the second element of comparison, then the meaning would be problematic - the farmers are growing fishes, yet the same fishes grow naturally: this does not make sense.

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