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# Got 710 on an MGMAT practice test, 5 weeks til GMAT. Advice?

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02 Jun 2007, 01:36
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Hey all,

I'm completing the MGMAT online course today. I think the course is pretty good and has certainly helped in my preparation. More than anything, it's kept me on a study schedule with rigorous homework assignments (worth the price of admission in itself).

Thus far I've taken 3 MGMAT CATs and scored:

590 Q31/V41 (zero prep) - the V was readjusted and probably a 39 or 40
620 Q42/V33 (three weeks of class) - I was rushed and fell I half-asses the verbal
650 Q43/V36 (eight weeks of class but taken fairly cold - no flashcard review, no review of problems I'm missed in the past, no revisiting previous class sessions, etc. I was nervous and edgy too - with a practice test!)

My goal is to get 720 or higher by September so I'm looking for some advice from you guys!

My plan:

1) Review all the prior classes and all the workbooks and make flashcards with stuff that I tend to forget after a few days. This will be study/cram material.
2) Complete all the OG problems, again, and again, and again.
3) Complete the MGMAT question bank problems, again, again, and again.
4) Complete the three remaining MGMAT CATs about 2-3 weeks apart with solid studying before hand (I hate to say "cram" but 1-2 days of intense study before helps keep it fresh).
5) Do the GRE CATs a week or two before the actual GMAT.
6) Get 770 on the GMAT! OK... wishful thinking

I've responded well to study so I really don't think I've reached my actual potential with the CATs. I also find myself making stupid, stupid mistakes when I go back and review them (on the Q of the test I got a 650 on I screwed up the 1st two Q problems which were very, very easy). I'm hoping to rectify this by reminding myself what I already know with the flashcards and to not get so damn nervous.

So thoughts? Any other advice is very much welcome! Thanks!

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04 Jun 2007, 08:43
I'll give this a little bump...

What I've done thus far is to start from square 1. I've rewatched the 1st MGMAT class and I've made flashcards for the memorizable stuff. I'm now running through the 1st workbook again.

So far I like this approach. When I hit the basics of number properties the first time I didn't really understand why we were doing it. Having seen plenty of tough DS questions I know see how this stuff makes a huge impact. Now that I know what I need to know I'm going about trying to know it

The plan for the next two months is essentially to repeat the MGMAT course videos on topics where I'm still not performing as well as I'd like (e.g. my CR and RC are great but my SC needs work). I'll add the MGMAT problem sets plus the relevant OG problems to those particular topics as well.

My three remaining MGMAT practice tests will be spaced out over the next 6 weeks leaving the two GMATPrep (Official) tests for the two weeks before the tests.

Phew, I have a lot of work ahead of me (and a full time job). Any critique to my approach is welcome.

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05 Jun 2007, 09:17
hey, I'm preparing for a GMAT in about 5 weeks as well, and although I scored in the 46-47 range in the only two practice CATs i took, I still feel like the GMATClub Challenges which I just purchased last week are very useful.

They test a lot of difficult concepts, and many people have attested to the benefits of them.

It looks to me like you could use a bit more work on verbal, so it's totally up to you. it looks like if u pushed your verbal score up to the low 40s consistently, you'd have a decent shot at 700+.

Good luck and keep on truckin'

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08 Jun 2007, 14:02
looks like you can defnitely get in the 700 range. Since yo ustill have a bit of time left before your test, you might wnat to think about getting some more material because you should finish all the MGMAT and OG fairly quickly if you are working well. Consider getting Cracking the GMAT by PR, and Manhattan Review's verbal books. There will be new questions and possibly help you to handle the variety that you'll see on the GMAT better. Keep working hard, and take those practice CATs periodically to gauge your improvement!

Good luck~

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08 Jul 2007, 06:45
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First of all, a belated thanks to nickeymickey and plaguerabbit. I took your advice of some additional verbal review and it seems to have paid off.

I just took my 4th MGMAT practice test and got a 710 (Q44, V42). To recap:

1) 590 Q31, V41* (Verbal was readjusted after this test - it's not as high as it says)
2) 620 Q42, V33
3) 650 Q43, V36
4) 710 Q44, V42

Goal: 750 (Q46, V45)

While I'm reasonably happy with my progress, I'm most worried that my Q score has only gone up 1 point each time I've taken it. I've also been really busting my ass on the quant; it comprises at least 90% of my preparation. Something is amiss...

I've got 5 weeks to go (plus another test 4 weeks after that), 1 of which will be pretty unusable from a study perspective. I'll be taking two more MGMAT practice tests plus two official GMAC practice tests. In the meantime I'm doing the GMAC 11th and Quant review 5 problems at a time: checking answers, learning form mistakes. moving to the next five. I'm pouring through the MGMAT Quant books and doing all associated problems. I'll be adding some MGMAT question banks in there as well.

I'd love to hear from anybody with suggestions on how to make strides in Q.

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08 Jul 2007, 10:02
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First of all, a belated thanks to nickeymickey and plaguerabbit. I took your advice of some additional verbal review and it seems to have paid off.

I just took my 4th MGMAT practice test and got a 710 (Q44, V42). To recap:

1) 590 Q31, V41* (Verbal was readjusted after this test - it's not as high as it says)
2) 620 Q42, V33
3) 650 Q43, V36
4) 710 Q44, V42

Goal: 750 (Q46, V45)

While I'm reasonably happy with my progress, I'm most worried that my Q score has only gone up 1 point each time I've taken it. I've also been really busting my ass on the quant; it comprises at least 90% of my preparation. Something is amiss...

I've got 5 weeks to go (plus another test 4 weeks after that), 1 of which will be pretty unusable from a study perspective. I'll be taking two more MGMAT practice tests plus two official GMAC practice tests. In the meantime I'm doing the GMAC 11th and Quant review 5 problems at a time: checking answers, learning form mistakes. moving to the next five. I'm pouring through the MGMAT Quant books and doing all associated problems. I'll be adding some MGMAT question banks in there as well.

I'd love to hear from anybody with suggestions on how to make strides in Q.

I forget which post it was, but it was noted by a Manhattan GMAT instructor that a high V portion will disproportionately bump your total score compared to a high Q portion. In other words, a high V will bump your score more so than a high Q so focusing on your Q score may not be the best use of your time.

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08 Jul 2007, 11:15
Hey mayonnai5e,

Do you know if that applies to the current MGMAT practice tests or just their older ones? On their website they state:

NOTE: On April 23, 2007, at 6 pm EDT, our CAT scoring algorithm was RECALIBRATED based on data gathered since the launch in November, 2006. The purpose of this recalibration was to provide a CLOSER MATCH between CAT performance and GMAT performance. Our analyses showed that on average, our verbal subscore was moderately overshooting the GMAT, particularly at the high end. As a result of the recalibration, this overshoot and high-end skew has been corrected. (The quant subscore had less of an issue but has also been slightly recalibrated.)

I'm curious as to whether this still applies. I plugged my latest score into the 800score calculator and it states a Q44, V42 equates to a 700 so they're not too far off there. I'm just curious as to whether the V42 score itself is an overshoot.

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11 Jul 2007, 03:51
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Hey mayonnai5e,

Do you know if that applies to the current MGMAT practice tests or just their older ones? On their website they state:

NOTE: On April 23, 2007, at 6 pm EDT, our CAT scoring algorithm was RECALIBRATED based on data gathered since the launch in November, 2006. The purpose of this recalibration was to provide a CLOSER MATCH between CAT performance and GMAT performance. Our analyses showed that on average, our verbal subscore was moderately overshooting the GMAT, particularly at the high end. As a result of the recalibration, this overshoot and high-end skew has been corrected. (The quant subscore had less of an issue but has also been slightly recalibrated.)

I'm curious as to whether this still applies. I plugged my latest score into the 800score calculator and it states a Q44, V42 equates to a 700 so they're not too far off there. I'm just curious as to whether the V42 score itself is an overshoot.

I really have no idea. The information I provided you was from a MGMAT instructor so if they're algorithm has been changed because it was overshooting, it may be that what I have told you no longer applies.

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Many people come to GMAT preparation in mortal fear of the quantitative section. Probability! Exponents and roots! The entire section seems like a parade of horribles. Unfortunately, many of these people spend the bulk of their study efforts honing their math skills at the expense of their verbal preparation. Certainly a great performance on each section is ideal, but experience has shown that an excellent verbal performance affects one's overall score more dramatically than does an excellent performance in quantitative.

Let's take a look at what happens at the highest levels of the exam: 700+. A recent test-taker received a scaled score of 45 in verbal (98th percentile) and 40 in quant (66th percentile) and an overall score of 700 (93rd percentile). Notice how much closer the overall percentile is to the excellent verbal percentile. If the overall percentile were simply an average of the individual percentiles, this person would have received about 640. But because the combination of an outstanding verbal performance with a fair quant performance is so rare, the overall percentile and score will be much higher than the lower quant percentile. Another person, who scored 49 in verbal (99th percentile) and 37 in quant (56th percentile), received 710 (95th percentile), even though the quant performance here was a full 10 percentile points lower than that in the previous example. Again, an outstanding performance in verbal significantly offset a middling performance in quant.

Does this work in reverse? That is, will an outstanding performance in quant so dramatically offset a middling performance in verbal? No. This combination is much more common, given the increasing number of international test-takers, who often have excellent math skills but relatively weak command of English. Even among native speakers of English, it is more common to see relatively high quant scores coupled with fair to middling verbal scores. Because these combinations are less rare, they are not rewarded as highly. For example, a test-taker recently received a 50 in quant (97th percentile) and a 37 in verbal (82nd percentile), but "only" a 670 overall (89th percentile). So the truly excellent quant performance was not enough to pull the overall score above 700.

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