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@kinjiGC thanks for the inputs. Is this for few specific schools/ industry or across schools and industry. I have been hearing similar instances from current students ( both internship and full time) across schools.
Do you see this getting better, otherwise with the cost and debt it will be a nightmare.
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Great logical article by Rajat. But on the ground situation is far from logic.

I am not sure whether anybody is in US and is interviewing and I am. Lots of companies have stopped sponsoring who were sponsoring tons of the MBA in the previous years. There are lot of uncertainties with the companies and I have been pulled out of interviews just because of the H1B sponsorship. So I will strongly suggest wait and watch.

theincredible and Rohit6 : Everybody is a looser because of this. But Trump is chosen by the US people and that is what the People want.

Rohit6 : Congrats for Tepper Admit.

@kinjigc.. Thanks a lot for your views. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you for posting the truth on the forum. Coming from someone who is at Tepper, your post illustrates the on ground situation in US. I have been hearing the same from few of my friends in US. I hope this will silence the cacophony of the coaching centers such as e gmat and others who have been trying to paint a rainbow over the dark sky.
I sincerely hope you get a shot at some good interviews and end up getting a top notch job. I am sure there are lots of companies willing to hire a talent such as you. Please keep us updated on the situation as it will help a lot of us take the right step.

Thanks again Kinjal!!

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Great logical article by Rajat. But on the ground situation is far from logic.

I am not sure whether anybody is in US and is interviewing and I am. Lots of companies have stopped sponsoring who were sponsoring tons of the MBA in the previous years. There are lot of uncertainties with the companies and I have been pulled out of interviews just because of the H1B sponsorship. So I will strongly suggest wait and watch.

theincredible and Rohit6 : Everybody is a looser because of this. But Trump is chosen by the US people and that is what the People want.

Rohit6 : Congrats for Tepper Admit.



You make a lot of sense
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And given that you are a part of an elite program and still dealing with those issues, i can't even imagine what would student's from Top 40-50 programs would be going through.

I have talked to a few friends of mine.
While talking to them one thing is pretty clear =>As of now there is no such"BOON" that this article is claiming.

I hope the situation gets eased out.


I have a question for you -> What are the odds of landing a typical Post MBA (say consulting/finance) Job in Europe after a US-MBA
Are any of your classmates thinking about the same.


Also do you have any specific timeline for the "wait and watch" advice.
Do you think the situation can change in the near future say 1-2 years.



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Hi Buddy,
Appreciate your responses and good to see discussion going on this topic.
On the subject itself, I've been actively talking to current students at the school which I'm joining (Kellogg) and I haven't seen any additional nervousness in students. Sure, recruiting for internationals is tough but almost every1 told that it's as tough as it has always been in last few years.

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I'm exploring option of looking jobs in EU/UAE/Asia region post my US-MBA and largely what I'm getting to understand is that it's not an easy sell. Think about it, why wouldn't an EU company not hire from top EU schools instead? A US degree might help in geographies where education system is premature such as in UAE/Asia but again to get a job in any geography takes a lot of time as you'll need to network and make those amazing applications and given the limited time you'll have during/after the MBA program it's more beneficial to focus on only one geography which most logically happen to be US.
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Hi Buddy,
Appreciate your responses and good to see discussion going on this topic.
On the subject itself, I've been actively talking to current students at the school which I'm joining (Kellogg) and I haven't seen any additional nervousness in students. Sure, recruiting for internationals is tough but almost every1 told that it's as tough as it has always been in last few years.


Oh if that is the case with Kellogg, that's awesome. My networks in Kellogg 2 year full time MBA says differently. But its fine, may be its good there.
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That's what I learned from folks whom I talked to over last few days... I have talked to like 5-7 people and also to my admissions director. Having said that, I think it also depends on the industry you're recruiting for. In my experience, Tech. guys seemed much more confident than others.

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Hi Buddy,
Appreciate your responses and good to see discussion going on this topic.
On the subject itself, I've been actively talking to current students at the school which I'm joining (Kellogg) and I haven't seen any additional nervousness in students. Sure, recruiting for internationals is tough but almost every1 told that it's as tough as it has always been in last few years.


Oh if that is the case with Kellogg, that's awesome. My networks in Kellogg 2 year full time MBA says differently. But its fine, may be its good there.
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That's what I learned from folks whom I talked to over last few days... I have talked to like 5-7 people and also to my admissions director. Having said that, I think it also depends on the industry you're recruiting for. In my experience, Tech. guys seemed much more confident than others.

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Hi Buddy,
Appreciate your responses and good to see discussion going on this topic.
On the subject itself, I've been actively talking to current students at the school which I'm joining (Kellogg) and I haven't seen any additional nervousness in students. Sure, recruiting for internationals is tough but almost every1 told that it's as tough as it has always been in last few years.


Oh if that is the case with Kellogg, that's awesome. My networks in Kellogg 2 year full time MBA says differently. But its fine, may be its good there.


Nice, I am recruiting for Tech. I have been in Tech industry for 9 years before coming to Tepper. I interned at Tech.

I guess Kellogg might be good. All the best :)
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Hi Everyone, the more I am talking to Indian students and alumni across schools in US, the more negative statements I am receiving, and everyone is suggesting to wait and watch and let go this year's admit or request for deferral.
There seems to be uncertainty and struggle for Internships and full time opportunities, and with expected developments ( from Trump) it might get worse.
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Hi Everyone, the more I am talking to Indian students and alumni across schools in US, the more negative statements I am receiving, and everyone is suggesting to wait and watch and let go this year's admit or request for deferral.
There seems to be uncertainty and struggle for Internships and full time opportunities, and with expected developments ( from Trump) it might get worse.
What do you guys suggest.


3 of my friends are doing their MBA/MS from US and they all suggested me to defer. Even they are facing issues while find a job. I am not sure what is going to happen. :(
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Hi Everyone, the more I am talking to Indian students and alumni across schools in US, the more negative statements I am receiving, and everyone is suggesting to wait and watch and let go this year's admit or request for deferral.
There seems to be uncertainty and struggle for Internships and full time opportunities, and with expected developments ( from Trump) it might get worse.
What do you guys suggest.


3 of my friends are doing their MBA/MS from US and they all suggested me to defer. Even they are facing issues while find a job. I am not sure what is going to happen. :(

I am in the same boat, unable to decide. Do you mind sharing which schools are your friends from..And also what are your thoughts
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Hi Everyone, the more I am talking to Indian students and alumni across schools in US, the more negative statements I am receiving, and everyone is suggesting to wait and watch and let go this year's admit or request for deferral.
There seems to be uncertainty and struggle for Internships and full time opportunities, and with expected developments ( from Trump) it might get worse.
What do you guys suggest.


3 of my friends are doing their MBA/MS from US and they all suggested me to defer. Even they are facing issues while find a job. I am not sure what is going to happen. :(

I am in the same boat, unable to decide. Do you mind sharing which schools are your friends from..And also what are your thoughts


They are from Tepper, USC and University of Utah respectively.

I am myself confused on what is going to happen. Still need to think/make a decision about it.
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Buddy,
I'm myself worried as well.
But I would not suggest a defer. Look all the Trump policies will be clear (hopefully) in next 6-12 months. May be they won't be implemented in this time frame but the direction and details will be clear once the authorities submit there recommendations to the administration. If you're doing a 2Y MBA, you'll start recruiting later this year which is 6-8 months ahead. Hence, I don't see how you can justify going next year vs this year. Consider deferring only if you're unsure about MBA itself or about going to US. If you're damn sure you have to do a US-MBA then just be aware of the risk, have good backup plans and move ahead (or not, as you decide)

That's my opinion and that's what I'm doing myself. I'm going for a 1Y MBA hence an even bigger risk and spending the same $$ as any1 would in 2Y. :lol:

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Hi Everyone, the more I am talking to Indian students and alumni across schools in US, the more negative statements I am receiving, and everyone is suggesting to wait and watch and let go this year's admit or request for deferral.
There seems to be uncertainty and struggle for Internships and full time opportunities, and with expected developments ( from Trump) it might get worse.
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Buddy,
I'm myself worried as well.
But I would not suggest a defer. Look all the Trump policies will be clear (hopefully) in next 6-12 months. May be they won't be implemented in this time frame but the direction and details will be clear once the authorities submit there recommendations to the administration. If you're doing a 2Y MBA, you'll start recruiting later this year which is 6-8 months ahead. Hence, I don't see how you can justify going next year vs this year. Consider deferring only if you're unsure about MBA itself or about going to US. If you're damn sure you have to do a US-MBA then just be aware of the risk, have good backup plans and move ahead (or not, as you decide)

That's my opinion and that's what I'm doing myself. I'm going for a 1Y MBA hence an even bigger risk and spending the same $$ as any1 would in 2Y.

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Hi Everyone, the more I am talking to Indian students and alumni across schools in US, the more negative statements I am receiving, and everyone is suggesting to wait and watch and let go this year's admit or request for deferral.
There seems to be uncertainty and struggle for Internships and full time opportunities, and with expected developments ( from Trump) it might get worse.
What do you guys suggest.

Rohit, thanks for sharing your point of view.

In my view the value proposition of doing US MBA is two fold, one the learning during MBA and secondly the career opportunities post MBA. The cost is time, money, and the overall opportunity cost.

However, due to uncertainty​ the career opportunities is a big question mark, and repercussions of same is visible in current internship and recruiting cycle ( based on my interactions with students and alumni across school).

In 6-12 months if the policies get clear, we will have a better picture whether the job opportunities in US will be there or not, and does the huge investment / debt ($$$) makes sense or not. As the core issue is not having desired internship and recruiting opportunities, along with the debt which I cannot pay while working in India. In such a scenario the US MBA will be a downward jump, and the opportunity cost would be extremely negative.

Thus the whole point of deferment is having more clarity with respect to policies, because as per steps by trump and it's effect on ground ( based on interactions with students and alumni) there is a huge possibility that 2 years down the line I am with an US MBA and INR 1Cr. Debt and no US job to repay the debt. The increasing probability of this scenario is what frightens me.
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In such a scenario the US MBA will be a downward jump, and the opportunity cost would be extremely negative.

I would say in that case it makes sense to defer. It'll all about ur personal preferences and where you are in your life. In my case I'm ready to take the risk, no matter what. My only option was ISB which I decided to turn down for a US MBA.

PS: A bit about myself. Back in 2014 I was in a similar fix when I got offer from NUS for there MSc program. I was working in Reliance in India as a Manager, had good ratings and would have been promoted 1-2 years later. Singapore on the other hand was a risk given it's a small market and 1-year MSc program couldn't have hugely changed my profile. When I look back, everything worked well. I got a job 4 months before graduation, got decent hikes in my job, saved quite a bit of $$ and my experience eventually helped me in my MBA applications. A US MBA for us is like high-risk high-gain and it's an absolutely personal decision. I think there's no right or wrong here :-D

PM me sometime, lets discuss and share opinions :-D
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I am not sure how many of you have read this.
Not a positive news coming from Wisconsin.

Source =>White House Website
Link to the entire article => https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of ... tive-order



Trump's response to the H1visa issue/reforms ==>
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Together, we’re going to do everything in our power to make sure that more products are stamped with those wonderful words: "Made in the USA." (Applause.) In the old days, we used to use it. We don't use it so much anymore. We're going to start using it again -- Made in the USA.

For too long, we’ve watched as our factories have been closed and our jobs have been sent to other faraway lands. We've lost 70,000 factories since China joined the World Trade Organization. And you’ve seen that and you’ve heard about it -- 70,000. The World Trade Organization -- another one of our disasters. But this election, the American people voted to end the theft of American prosperity. They voted to bring back their jobs -- and to bring back their dreams into our country.

That’s why I’m here today. In just a few moments, I will be signing a Buy American and Hire American executive order. You haven't heard about that in a long time in this country. With this action, we are sending a powerful signal to the world: We’re going to defend our workers, protect our jobs, and finally put America first. (Applause.) I see all the "Make America Great Again" hats, so it's a good crowd. Those are good hats.

Through the years, Snap-On tools have been at the center of our industrial life. Your tools have fixed the cars our families depend on. They’ve sailed with the fleets that patrol the oceans. They’ve fixed the planes that cross our skies. And Snap-On tools have reached the heights of space, used by astronauts in orbit to carry out their very, very important work. And I don’t know if you noticed, recently I signed a very big order: We're going to spend again on the NASA space program, and that's something we need, and we also need it psychologically. (Applause.) But it's going to be very exciting.

For decades, this company has served the needs of American workers. It’s time we had a federal government that does the same. The “Buy and Hire American” order I'm about to sign will help protect workers and students like those of you in the audience today. This historic action declares that the policy of our government is to aggressively promote and use American-made goods and to ensure that American labor is hired to do the job. It's America first, you better believe it. (Applause.) It's time. It's time, right? It's time.

First, we will fully monitor, uphold and enforce our Buy American laws -- which we haven’t done. Buy American laws require that when the federal government buys, builds or funds a project, domestic goods and products should be used. But over the years, these Buy American standards have been gutted by excessive waivers and reckless exemptions. The result has been countless jobs and countless contracts that have been lost to cheap, subsidized, and low-quality foreign goods.

With this order, I am directing every single agency in our government to strictly uphold our Buy American laws, to minimize the use of waivers, and to maximize Made in America content in all federal projects. (Applause.) It's time. And for the first time ever, we are going to crack down on foreign bidders that used dumped steel and other subsidized goods to take contracts from workers like you. They take them away, and they've been doing it for a long time. Not going to happy anymore. (Applause.)

We are finally standing up for our workers and for our companies. In short, this order declares that American projects should be made with American goods. No longer are we going to allow foreign countries to cheat our producers and our workers out of federal contracts. Everyone in my administration will be expected to enforce every last Buy American provision on behalf of the American worker, and we are going to investigate every single trade deal that undermines these provisions.

Secondly, we are going to enforce the Hire American rules that are designed to protect jobs and wages of workers in the United States. We believe jobs must be offered to American workers first. Does that make sense? (Applause.) Right now, widespread abuse in our immigration system is allowing American workers of all backgrounds to be replaced by workers brought in from other countries to fill the same job for sometimes less pay. This will stop. American workers have long called for reforms to end these visa abuses. And today, their calls are being answered for the first time. That includes taking the first steps to set in motion a long-overdue reform of H1B visas.

Right now, H1B visas are awarded in a totally random lottery -- and that's wrong. Instead, they should be given to the most-skilled and highest-paid applicants, and they should never, ever be used to replace Americans. No one can compete with American workers when they're given a fair and level playing field, which has not happened for decades.

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I am not sure how many of you have read this.
Not a positive news coming from Wisconsin.

Source =>White House Website
Link to the entire article => https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of ... tive-order



Trump's response to the H1visa issue/reforms ==>
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Together, we’re going to do everything in our power to make sure that more products are stamped with those wonderful words: "Made in the USA." (Applause.) In the old days, we used to use it. We don't use it so much anymore. We're going to start using it again -- Made in the USA.

For too long, we’ve watched as our factories have been closed and our jobs have been sent to other faraway lands. We've lost 70,000 factories since China joined the World Trade Organization. And you’ve seen that and you’ve heard about it -- 70,000. The World Trade Organization -- another one of our disasters. But this election, the American people voted to end the theft of American prosperity. They voted to bring back their jobs -- and to bring back their dreams into our country.

That’s why I’m here today. In just a few moments, I will be signing a Buy American and Hire American executive order. You haven't heard about that in a long time in this country. With this action, we are sending a powerful signal to the world: We’re going to defend our workers, protect our jobs, and finally put America first. (Applause.) I see all the "Make America Great Again" hats, so it's a good crowd. Those are good hats.

Through the years, Snap-On tools have been at the center of our industrial life. Your tools have fixed the cars our families depend on. They’ve sailed with the fleets that patrol the oceans. They’ve fixed the planes that cross our skies. And Snap-On tools have reached the heights of space, used by astronauts in orbit to carry out their very, very important work. And I don’t know if you noticed, recently I signed a very big order: We're going to spend again on the NASA space program, and that's something we need, and we also need it psychologically. (Applause.) But it's going to be very exciting.

For decades, this company has served the needs of American workers. It’s time we had a federal government that does the same. The “Buy and Hire American” order I'm about to sign will help protect workers and students like those of you in the audience today. This historic action declares that the policy of our government is to aggressively promote and use American-made goods and to ensure that American labor is hired to do the job. It's America first, you better believe it. (Applause.) It's time. It's time, right? It's time.

First, we will fully monitor, uphold and enforce our Buy American laws -- which we haven’t done. Buy American laws require that when the federal government buys, builds or funds a project, domestic goods and products should be used. But over the years, these Buy American standards have been gutted by excessive waivers and reckless exemptions. The result has been countless jobs and countless contracts that have been lost to cheap, subsidized, and low-quality foreign goods.

With this order, I am directing every single agency in our government to strictly uphold our Buy American laws, to minimize the use of waivers, and to maximize Made in America content in all federal projects. (Applause.) It's time. And for the first time ever, we are going to crack down on foreign bidders that used dumped steel and other subsidized goods to take contracts from workers like you. They take them away, and they've been doing it for a long time. Not going to happy anymore. (Applause.)

We are finally standing up for our workers and for our companies. In short, this order declares that American projects should be made with American goods. No longer are we going to allow foreign countries to cheat our producers and our workers out of federal contracts. Everyone in my administration will be expected to enforce every last Buy American provision on behalf of the American worker, and we are going to investigate every single trade deal that undermines these provisions.

Secondly, we are going to enforce the Hire American rules that are designed to protect jobs and wages of workers in the United States. We believe jobs must be offered to American workers first. Does that make sense? (Applause.) Right now, widespread abuse in our immigration system is allowing American workers of all backgrounds to be replaced by workers brought in from other countries to fill the same job for sometimes less pay. This will stop. American workers have long called for reforms to end these visa abuses. And today, their calls are being answered for the first time. That includes taking the first steps to set in motion a long-overdue reform of H1B visas.

Right now, H1B visas are awarded in a totally random lottery -- and that's wrong. Instead, they should be given to the most-skilled and highest-paid applicants, and they should never, ever be used to replace Americans. No one can compete with American workers when they're given a fair and level playing field, which has not happened for decades.

Stonecold thanks for the link..And this Tuesday action is one of the reason of seeking advice from everyone... The words and tone seems the things are going to be even worse, and this is the reason I am unable to understand whether I should defer and wait and watch, or take the plunge.
I am even hearing from international students in schools ranked 5-10 facing difficulty in getting jobs ( typically for the industries which recruit in March and April).
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In such a scenario the US MBA will be a downward jump, and the opportunity cost would be extremely negative.

I would say in that case it makes sense to defer. It'll all about ur personal preferences and where you are in your life. In my case I'm ready to take the risk, no matter what. My only option was ISB which I decided to turn down for a US MBA.

PS: A bit about myself. Back in 2014 I was in a similar fix when I got offer from NUS for there MSc program. I was working in Reliance in India as a Manager, had good ratings and would have been promoted 1-2 years later. Singapore on the other hand was a risk given it's a small market and 1-year MSc program couldn't have hugely changed my profile. When I look back, everything worked well. I got a job 4 months before graduation, got decent hikes in my job, saved quite a bit of $$ and my experience eventually helped me in my MBA applications. A US MBA for us is like high-risk high-gain and it's an absolutely personal decision. I think there's no right or wrong here :-D

PM me sometime, lets discuss and share opinions :-D

Rohit, as you rightly said it's basically the evaluation of opportunity cost and risk appetite. I am still at crossroads and unable to make up my mind on either direction.
Let's take this discussion further through PM, and best of luck for Kellogg 1 Yr.
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So, Summary thus far ->

2 Bills Presented to amend H1B process
-> Both recommend removing special visas for master degree. Problematic for MBA Grads
-> Both recommend increasing the minimum wage for H1b exempt filing Visas. One says to increase to roughly $130K and other one to $100k.
==> Bill with minimum wage of $100k problematic as the recommendation is for everybody applying.
==> The one with $130k recommends so for only IT Workers. (as per the OP. I haven't checked personally)
-> As per current norms, International Students HAVE to get employed by March 1 to apply for H1B. (Something doesn't fit rightly here)
-> Save for students at a few selected schools, companies are reluctant to hire international students everywhere.
-> Trump signed an executive order for H1B. Though it doesn't hurt an honest H1B applicant, it does mean that applications may get scrutinized more strictly and immigration offices at airports may become a more troublesome.
-> "Buy American. Hire American". I don't know about you but this "Hire American" slogan gave me a little chill when I read it. A sentiment like this rose in Australia about 10 years ago and a lot of Indians faced racial attacks in the months that followed.

Long Story short, I have decided to deffer my enrollment at WashU's Olin and while I wait, I'll take another shot at GMAT.

P.S. In that speech posted above, I saw hints of Trump thinking about removing the exempt filing route for H1Bs, a gravely problematic step for every international applicant to American universities.
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Mo2men wrote:
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P.S. In that speech posted above, I saw hints of Trump thinking about removing the exempt filing route for H1Bs, a gravely problematic step for every international applicant to American universities.



Can you elaborate about what you mentioned exempt filing route for H1Bs and why is it problem?

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You can check out the exempt filing for H1B in the First Post of this thread by Payal in Section 2.2. My intuition is because of the highlighted part in stonecold post above.
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A quote from a MS student in the US=>


Current scenario in US:
You must be hearing daily news for H1B, OPT extension or hate crimes is US that makes you think twice about your decision to pursue MS in US. As I said rather than qualifications your visa status matters & that is the fact that US has lottery based system not merit based system. Right now the problem is that no decision over H1B is being made. Daily new bills, some executive order are being introduced, so its reality that most employers are on hiring freeze for us as they simply don’t know what will happen further, decision would be in the favor or not. The week after I landed in US, the stem extension was cancelled in August 2015, but again made it again for 24 months after few months. So it’s totally depends. Currently you have to live under daily uncertainty until anything permanent get passed.

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