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# Has anyone taken the Veritas Prep's GMAT Simulator CAT exams

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22 Dec 2012, 10:08
I just took the Veritas Free CAT Test and have some observations. Would anyone concur / disagree

- Quant seem's too easy - I scored a 51. No question seemed like a 750 question. Much in contrast with the MGMAT Tests.

- The order of questions in Verbal seemed quite off. A string of SC questions. All three Social RC's (Ugh). No science passage.

Scored a 660 (Q-51, V-32). How close is this to real GMAT? Any opinions?
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06 Jan 2013, 01:27
I took the test today..
scored a 660.. ( Q 45 , V 38 )

Missed 8 questions in quant , yet ended up with only 45

and isn't 45 in Q and 38 in V supposed to be 680?
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17 Apr 2013, 00:42
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Hi all,

My first post on GMAT Club (I think ). I took the GMAT in 2006 and score 660. Don't remember the scaled scores. I'm taking it again next Saturday (August 14) and here are my recent practice test scores:

1st GMAT attempt - 2006 - 660
Test 1 - Veritas Prep - 800 Score - 630
Test 2 - Veritas Prep - 800 Score - 540
Test 3 - Veritas Prep - 800 Score - 720
Test 4 - GMAT Prep 1 - 660
Test 5 - Veritas Prep - 800 Score - 680
Test 6 - Veritas Prep - 800 Score - 630
Test 7 - Veritas Prep - GMAT Simulator - 570
Test 8 - Veritas Prep - GMAT Simulator - 630
Test 9 - Veritas Prep - GMAT Simulator - 650

GMAT Simulator quant section is definitely easier but verbal section is way tougher, in my opinion. I was average scaled score of 36 in Quant - and in my first GMAT Simulator test, I started at 40 scaled score in Quant. Au contraire, my lowest verbal scaled score prior to GMAT Simulator had been 40 -- and I started with a scaled score of 26 with this test.

To sum it up -- verbal: tougher, quant: easier. Having said that, these tests are giving me confidence and making me work better under pressure. I'm also solving a lot of problems (even though a level easier than the actual GMAT). Hoping that all this practice will help me next week in my 2nd stab at the GMAT!

Hi ,

How did you write a lot of veritas prep tests ? I have access to only one free veritas prep tests. I finished my preparations now i want to write many practice tests but i don't have have resources. can you please help me out. Already finished princeton and 800 scetional tests.Need new resources..

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12 May 2013, 12:06
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I have taken Veritas Prep today. Even though I was terribly hangovered and a bit sad, I decided to take the test as I still have one GMAT, one Manhattan, Kaplan and Princeton Preps to do and only two more weekends until my real GMAT Test (27.05). I simply decided to treat the achieved score, whatever it would be, as the forecast for the lowest score to be expected. I took full test (incl. AWA and IR), wanted to take a break multiple times (head was killing me no less than my sullenness), but the feel of obligation was pushing harder. I was quite resigned few times, especially when seeing very doable problems that I was unable to resolve this morning. I didn't finish Quant in time and had 13 incorrect answers plus 8 without answer. In Verbal, I made 12 mistakes but finished in time. The score kicked me like ACDC would: 730, 96 Percentile (V 42, Q 48). I'd love to ask you Veritas Experts: is my score that good or is your algorithm lacking something? In my first prep test (GMAT Prep), which I took ab. 3 weeks ago, I scored 660, and I've been preparing for ab. half a year now.
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13 May 2013, 13:06
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Thank you for trying out the new test and posting your feedback! And congratulations on the score – while on the surface it may seem a little high (and I probably wouldn’t use it, as you said, as the “forecast for the lowest score to be expected”) I dug into the item responses in your particular test and it looks like the scoring behaved as expected based on your performance. (One clarification: In your post you mentioned that you left 8 questions unanswered in the Quant section, but it looks like you actually only left 6 unanswered.)

This probably isn’t all that important/helpful for your actual GMAT, but in the way of explanation – computer-adaptive tests score and “penalize” (for unanswered questions) using numbers you’ll never see (called “theta estimates”) and then convert those numbers to the scaled scores and percentiles. So on a scaled score basis the penalty for omitting questions doesn’t look that harsh, on the theta basis it was significant…you went from theta that gave you a “high” 49 to a theta that have you a score of 48. And based on your answer pattern, that 78th percentile that corresponds to a 48 looks to be just about right.

And while we have this discussion open – according to GMAC the way that the unanswered-item penalty is scored (and how it’s applied on our tests, too) is that your theta score is multiplied by the number of questions you answered, then divided by the number of questions total. So if you answered 31 out of 37 quant questions, your theta gets multiplied by 31/37.

These tests are fairly new and we’re still monitoring the scoring pretty closely so we really do appreciate the feedback. The scaled scores are pegged closely to the percentiles they represent, so your 48 in our system indicated that your performance on the quant ranks better than about ¾ of test-takers in the system. To date we’ve seen quite a few “my Veritas score exactly matched my official or GMAT Prep score” and others that are off by some, and we’ll continue to monitor that feedback to see if any shifts are necessary.

Most importantly, we hope that you use the diagnostic tools (how your pacing compared to the norm, whether you fell for trap answers, etc.) to improve your performance for your upcoming test day, and we thank you for your feedback!
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Save $100 on live Veritas Prep GMAT Courses and Admissions Consulting Enroll now. Pay later. Take advantage of Veritas Prep's flexible payment plan options. Veritas Prep Reviews Manager Joined: 12 Dec 2012 Posts: 160 Location: Poland Followers: 5 Kudos [?]: 187 [0], given: 67 Re: Has anyone taken the Veritas Prep's GMAT Simulator CAT exams [#permalink] ### Show Tags 13 May 2013, 13:41 Thank you very much, Brian! I am very excited for getting individualized alanysis of my test from you! I surely have to think it more thoroughly, but for the moment I understand your response a good news, right? I will feedback my real score too! Please know that I did not want to contest the algorithm quality - even if I was positively surprised, I have been preparing for the exam very dilligently (e.g. did most of the GMAT Club 700+ problems twice, with analysis). All right, shhh for now, I don't want to jinx it. Back to math . _________________ If I answered your question with this post, use the motivating power of kudos! Manager Joined: 12 Dec 2012 Posts: 160 Location: Poland Followers: 5 Kudos [?]: 187 [0], given: 67 Re: Has anyone taken the Veritas Prep's GMAT Simulator CAT exams [#permalink] ### Show Tags 22 May 2013, 03:19 Some more feedback here. I corroborated my score with GMAT Prep: 730 (finished on time). The split was quite similar: V 40 (11 incorrect), Q49 (13 incorrect), compared to Veritas' V 42 (12 incorrect), Q 48 (13 incorrect + 8 n/a). The strange fact is that I made more mistakes in Quant and still got significantly higher percentile than in Verbal. The more that I even feel more confident in Verbal. But that's it for the good news. Here's the bad news. Drained but confident after a few days of learning without respite, I have taken the Manhattan CAT. Now I know it was a bad idea to take a number of full-lenghts one a day in a row and then to approach Manhattan. I wasted it getting my lowest score ever: 590. Q 34 (12 errors + 10 n/a), V 36 (15 errors). As for quant, I took off very confident and that's what lost me. I should have remembered that first questions are 500-600 level and not to look for a trap. Thus, I trapped myself. Anyways, the strange fact again: my Q performance was way worse than the V performance, yet they differ only by 2 points. How come? Ultimately, I am in a muddle. What score should I expect after hitting 660 (1st GMAT Prep), 730 (Veritas), 730 (2nd GMAT Prep), and 590 (Manhattan)? What I know for sure is that I will not be learning two days prior to the GMAT: the highest scores I got after a longer break, the lowest after a longer study. _________________ If I answered your question with this post, use the motivating power of kudos! VP Status: Final Lap Up!!! Affiliations: NYK Line Joined: 21 Sep 2012 Posts: 1083 Location: India GMAT 1: 410 Q35 V11 GMAT 2: 530 Q44 V20 GMAT 3: 630 Q45 V31 GPA: 3.84 WE: Engineering (Transportation) Followers: 38 Kudos [?]: 565 [3] , given: 70 Re: Has anyone taken the Veritas Prep's GMAT Simulator CAT exams [#permalink] ### Show Tags 22 May 2013, 04:37 3 This post received KUDOS Hi Humpty Dumpty On my first gmat prep, with 13 incorrect; i scored 49 on Quant. Ony my second gmat prep, with 12 incorrect; i scored 45 on Quant. The difference between the two was that on my first attempt i did not made a single mistake till 12th or 13th question, whereas on 2nd attempt i made a few mistakes on first 10 to 15 questions. I do not know how to rate my performance. Regarding Veritas prep, the test is a real reflection of your actual gmat score. MGMAT test has not been so successful when it comes to comparision with the actual score. They need to redesign the quant section....Veritas presents a balanced CAT, which is close to real gmat. Consider kudos if my post helps!!!! Archit Manager Joined: 12 Dec 2012 Posts: 160 Location: Poland Followers: 5 Kudos [?]: 187 [0], given: 67 Re: Has anyone taken the Veritas Prep's GMAT Simulator CAT exams [#permalink] ### Show Tags 22 May 2013, 05:47 Archit143 wrote: On my first gmat prep, with 13 incorrect; i scored 49 on Quant. On my second gmat prep, with 12 incorrect; i scored 45 on Quant. The difference between the two was that on my first attempt i did not made a single mistake till 12th or 13th question, whereas on 2nd attempt i made a few mistakes on first 10 to 15 questions. Thanks for answering. So true, the same influenced my score. Archit143 wrote: Regarding Veritas prep, the test is a real reflection of your actual gmat score. MGMAT test has not been so successful when it comes to comparision with the actual score. Based upon...? _________________ If I answered your question with this post, use the motivating power of kudos! VP Status: Final Lap Up!!! Affiliations: NYK Line Joined: 21 Sep 2012 Posts: 1083 Location: India GMAT 1: 410 Q35 V11 GMAT 2: 530 Q44 V20 GMAT 3: 630 Q45 V31 GPA: 3.84 WE: Engineering (Transportation) Followers: 38 Kudos [?]: 565 [2] , given: 70 Re: Has anyone taken the Veritas Prep's GMAT Simulator CAT exams [#permalink] ### Show Tags 22 May 2013, 06:42 2 This post received KUDOS Archit143 wrote: Regarding Veritas prep, the test is a real reflection of your actual gmat score. MGMAT test has not been so successful when it comes to comparision with the actual score. Based upon...?[/quote] The quant section on MGMAT is focused a lot on formula and hectic calculation. Veritas presents a more concept based quants question..But yes overall structure of Quant on veritas is bit simpler compared to MGMAT. No doubt the verbal part of veritas except for SC is a good and I say harder version of GMAT. Consider Kudos If my post helps!!!! Archit Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor Joined: 26 Jul 2010 Posts: 243 Followers: 227 Kudos [?]: 523 [3] , given: 30 Re: Has anyone taken the Veritas Prep's GMAT Simulator CAT exams [#permalink] ### Show Tags 22 May 2013, 10:38 3 This post received KUDOS Hey HumptyDumpty, Thanks for the debrief, and it's great to hear that our scoring holds up so well to GMATPrep! As for your situation, a few thoughts: 1) There just isn't a better predictor available than the GMAT Prep tests, so if you're worrying about which tests to trust, trust that one. 2) Regardless of the scoring algorithm / question quality on that most recent test you took, there are plenty of factors that could have contributed to a lackluster performance - your stamina might have been sapped as you near the finish line, you may have been a little distracted having done so much work leading up to it, etc. And not to make excuses for you, but take that lesson as "When I'm on I'm mid 700s, but if I let my attention wander, if I don't go in well-rested and focused, etc., nothing is guaranteed". There's something to be learned from that most recent test. Try to replicate the conditions from those 730s on test day. 3) Maybe most importantly...YOU CANNOT FAKE A 730 on GMAT PREP! Unless you saw a bunch of repeat questions, that 730 isn't a fluke, and with a very-similar breakdown 730 on the Veritas test you have some validation that it most certainly wasn't a fluke. Be confident - no one scores 700+ on one of those tests by accident, so it's pretty clear that the MGMAT test was the outlier, for whatever reason. You have 700+ potential this week, so be confident in that, and keep doing the things that led you to those back-to-back 730s recently and you should be successful on test day! _________________ Brian Save$100 on live Veritas Prep GMAT Courses and Admissions Consulting

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Exactly, No matter how many times you take the GMAT prep, unless it presents a good bunch of repeat question, you will score as per your exact potential...10 points here and there....

GMAT PREP are the best predictor of what your true score can be.

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I took the Veritas exam and got a 720 . I have given a couple of Manhattan tests before and found that the difficulty level of Veritas test was a little more comparable to the actual GMAT than the Manhattan ones .

The Manhattan tests are a little more time consuming and grilling than the actual GMAT (Just my view )
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26 May 2013, 10:17
Hello,

Even I found the Manhattan test questions to be tougher than GMATPrep Mock test questions as well as GMAT Review questions. I was a little scared after seeing my low score of 630 (dropping from 680 from the free Manhattan GMAT test). Anyone here knows about the quality of GMATPrep paper tests?
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30 May 2013, 05:27
650, Q 48, V 33, 78 Percentile. I do not know my IR and AWA score yet.

This is both good and bad news. Good because I am still above my business school threshold, bad becuase I was not learning so hard to get 650. This score is enough, but could be better.

Until the verbal part everything went smoothly, Q 48 is what I expected. However, V 33 is low as for me: I expected ab. 40-43. I must confess that I did feel drained after the first 2.5 hours, I felt how my concentration disperse. Insufficient endurance, it is my self-diagnosis. The more that I had to guess few last questions in Q, but in V I finished in time.

As for the moment, I cannot say if I am going to take the test once again. On one hand my score will suffice to get to my school, but on the other hand my ambitions for 700+ loom large. Have some of you experienced similar story? What did you do?

Honestly, one thing poses a serious obstacle to students like me: the costs. I suggest that the GMAC think this over. I know there is this thing called "geographical price preference" and you can use it with various companies from USA, e.g. National Geographic. The cost of the GMAT is 250 USD, 300+ USD with VAT in my country and if I were e.g. German or USA citizen, I could easily earn this in a week. But here it takes 3 work weeks to cover all the costs. Going to the nearest test center 300 miles does not help neither. As a result many more people from wealthier countries take the test multiple times putting the others at disadvantage. Everyone is well aware of the Purchasing Power Parity and the argument of equal price to everyone is just balls. The GMAT is not a 100% commercial product, but an educational one with increasing influence and accessing it should not be the matter of price, as it is in many cases, I believe. Perhaps it is whining, but isn't it also true? I'd like to know your opinion.
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30 May 2013, 06:45
Hi Humpty

i too took the test on 29h, this was 3rd attempt. I scored 630 Q 45 V 31.... AWA and IR still awaited. I expected little bit higher on quant.
But greatest problem during the test happened when the computer got auto switched off...hail Caesar!!!! i thought that i am nailed.....what, seriously after paying such high amount for tests, if something that sort happens on test...I thinks its totally unprofessional from their part.

Yes, I second your thought on the currency conversion factor. GMAC must pay heed to it.

By the way, which college are you applying to....

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02 Jun 2013, 04:02
I want to apply to Mannheim University (Germany) or St. Gallen University (Switzerland).
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02 Jun 2013, 04:26
Hi
I have already reported the incident, but they have not replied back yet. Lets see, what do they reply....

I am still waiting
By day way both colleges are equally good. But post mba if you do not know to speak german it will be a problem

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02 Jun 2013, 07:40
@HD

I agree that the currency exchange and other demographic factors put some guys in some geography to an undue disadvantage. But, whether there should be a limit on the total number of attempts or number of attempts in a year is an open question . Also, I agree that the number and accessibility of centers could be improved as 250\$ is still a descent sum!

@Archit

This sounds terrible what happened during your exam. I would say you can track GMAC reps. here about the updates on your issue. I hope for a positive decision:)
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@Archit

This sounds terrible what happened during your exam. I would say you can track GMAC reps. here about the updates on your issue. I hope for a positive decision:)

Yes i have posted it on its official thread. I am only afraid that they may not cancel my score, i do not want to go through the 4 hrs torture again.

lets see!!

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