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Re: SC: Heirloom tomatoes [#permalink]

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New post 13 Mar 2010, 10:39
shkusira wrote:
Sanjay I think you mean subject of the first sentence.

I think Heirloom tomatoes in the first half of the sentence is the subject.

I think the they/it refers to the subject of the first part of the sentence.

And am I correct in thinking that:

D. cousins; they are often green and striped (verb clause), or with plenty of bumps and bruises (prepositional phrase) although ---Hence NOT CORRECT
E. cousins; they are often green and striped (verb clause), or have plenty of bumps and bruises (verb clause), but they are ----Hence CORRECT

So it doesnt have anything to do with the usage of Although? D is not wrong coz of although?


I was also confused between D and E. I was under the impression that although cannot be used. Do we really need to know about things like verb clauses and prepositional clauses and such? This means we need to have a solid grip on the theory of grammar, is this really necessary?
Can someone with enough experience on GMAT topics tell me if its needed to study grammar to such an extent? If so where can I find a grammar book tuned to GMAT requirement?
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New post 04 Mar 2011, 17:20
what argument tries to say is that although year old, heirloom tomatoes look clumsy they are still more fruitful that their cousins .

a. cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are - modify cousins not old tomatoes .
B. cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although - same here
C. cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are - same here
D. cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although - after "although" we need complete clause
E - "They" refers to subject of previous clause - heirloom tomatoes !
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New post 06 Mar 2011, 20:55
In order to simplify Read the statement like:

Heirloom tomatoes[strike], grown from seeds saved from the previous year,[/strike]only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins[strike], often green and striped,[/strike]or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

Agree with somebody here that "what argument tries to say is that although year old, heirloom tomatoes look clumsy they are still more fruitful that their cousins." It is clear that "but" is necessary in a correct sentence. Therefore options with "although" can be ruled out.

"They" is necessary for right reference.

Clearly the winner is E.
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are (misplaced modifier)
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although ( misplaced modifier)
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are (misplaced modifier)
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although ( i have not studied clauses in detail yet, but a semicolon implies an independent clause is beginning)
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are



still if some expert clarifies the usage of 'although' in detail , it would be very helpful
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(A) "often green and striped" is a modifier that is right after cousins. Since the cousins are red, this modifier is in the wrong place.
(B) "often green and striped" is a modifier that is right after cousins. Since the cousins are red, this modifier is in the wrong place.
(C) "often green and striped" is a modifier that is right after cousins. Since the cousins are red, this modifier is in the wrong place.
(D) Since there is a ";" "they" in the new clause is referring to the tomatoes. However they are not "with". "They have" is better.
(E) CORRECT - Both "they" refer to tomatoes.



Wonderful Explanation as i missed to spot that [[highlight]the cousins are red,[/highlight]]

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I picked E but it took me a full 2 minutes.
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E uses parallel verb clauses. So the answer is E

There is no use of 'although' when you're just saying that 'they are green and striped, although more flavorful'. The comparison is not properly maintained here.

Going by general understanding, we say the ripe tomatoes are always flavorful and the green ones aren't :) :). That's why the use of 'but they are' aptly suits the context. 'They are green, but are more flavorful' makes sense.

So I picked E
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are

Please explain your answer.


Can we see D as follows:
cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although

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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are

Please explain your answer.


It is clear from the question stem that the sentence from "often green and striped..." is used for the main subject of the sentence which is "Heirloom tomatoes". Use of above sentence directly after comma makes it as misplaced modifier. To overcome this, there are two choices-
1. Complete first sentence and begin another with subject as "Heirloom tomatoes"
2. break the sentence with ";" and begin with preposition.

Answer E perfectly fits into this.

D has been excluded since the sentence "or with plenty of bumps and bruises" demands further closing sentence to fulfil conditional explanation started at "with".
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cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are

When we use pronoun after semicolon , then it refers to the subject in the sentence preceding the semicolon. So here , they is not ambiguous.
Conjunction 'or' has successfully linked two clauses. They before 'or' is used in both the clauses connected by 'or'.
"But they are" : In this 'but' is correctly joining two sentences . "They are ...to bruises" and "they are more flavourful".
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New post 28 Aug 2012, 21:35
Above question has already been discussed in this forum.

But I need more explanation in reference to the usage of although in D.

Someone wrote in the previous three that Although don't have a subject in D, hence option D is wrong.

Please explain the above concept in detail.
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.
The 2 bold parts are Subject and Verb of the sentence. Therefore, often green and striped part constitutes a run-on sentence. -> eliminate A, B, C.

(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although more flavorful
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are more flavorful
To my view, the 2 above sentences successfully deliver the meaning of the original sentence excepting the bold part in D.
Although is used to convey a contrast meaning with the previous part. D should be correct if the previous part told somethings not flavorful -> E will be wrong.
But in the previous part of the sentence, it deals with other issues. Therefore, 'but' is more suitable
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although more flavorful.

Subject: Heirloom tomatoes
Verb: appetizing

Whats wrong with answer choice B?

"often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although" is modifying/describing red supermarket cousins? isn't that true?

In ans choise E -

Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are more flavorful.

why is "they" not ambiguous? they can refer to Heirloom tomatoes or red supermarket cousins.
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Does Although need to be followed by a clause always? can't it introduce a phrase?
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are




Here we have a comparsion between the Heirloom tomatoes which is saved from the previous year and the supermarket Tomatoes often green and striped or have plenty of bumps and bruises but they are more flavorful

clearly the supermarket tomatoes are more flavorful

lets break the sentence into individual clauses

Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and
red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises,
but are more flavorful.

Here the subject is Heirloom tomatoes
verb is look less appetizing
saved from the previous year is clearly modifying the closest noun Heirloom Tomatoes
The error in the below sentence is parallelism error and there is no subject after but


so the answer is E
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are --- it is given that cousins are round and red -- how can they be green and striped also --- hence wrong ---- WRONG MEANING
(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although --- same as A
(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are ---- SAME AS ABOVE
(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although--HERE GREEN AND STRIPPED REFER TO HEIRLOOM TAMAMOES BUT SENTENCE NOT PARALLEL
(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are -- SAME AS d BUT SENTENCE IS PARALLEL AND HENCE CORRECT
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Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

(A) cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are

(B) cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although

(C) cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are

(D) cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although

(E) cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are


This is a meaning/modifier/parallelism SC so I would rate it at the 650 level

First three are incorrect answer choices. The clause often green and striped is meant to refer to Heirloom tomatoes not their cousins. Next, semi-colon is appropiate to separate both ideas.
Now between D and E, 'E' might look a little longer but its fine! It expresses the idea clearly in the last part after the comma showing //ism too (they are....but they are)

Looking good

E is our best choice

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I am happy to respond. :-) This questions is quite curious, because it's almost identical in topic to OG13, SC #132, and uses many of the same phrases, though in a different order. I would think that GMAC might be a position to sue a company for having a question so blatantly similar to its own. That does give me a bit of concern about the question and its authors.

In (A) - (C), among other problems, there's modifier ambiguity. We know logically that "often green and striped" should apply to heirloom tomatoes, but it touches "their round and red supermarket cousins." That's less than ideal.

Also, in (A), if we remove the modifying detail, the logic is wonky: "Heirloom tomatoes ... only look less appetizing ... or have plenty of bumps and bruises" ??? Why is that a choice, to "look less appetizing" vs. "to have bumps and bruises"? Joining these two verbs with "or" makes no sense. That's why (A) is definitively wrong.

The semicolon divide is a very clean, clear way to delineate the logic of the sentence. The parallelism removes any ambiguity about the pronoun: the pronoun "they" is subject of the second clause, so it is obviously in parallel to the subject of the first clause, and that first subject, "Heirloom tomatoes," is the antecedent. This is why (E) is the best answer.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


Hi Mike,
In the first clause of this sentence, "their" was used to refer to "Heirloom tomatoes". is that the reason why "they" in the latter clause ambiguity-free?
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Hi expert,
In my 2 cents,option D could be a good contender of this question.
Option A,B,and C are gone as "often green and stripe" wrongly modifies cousins.
"they" in option E is not ambiguous;"they",as the subject" all refer to Heirloom tomatoes.
However,I find it difficult to eliminate option D.

Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins; they are often green and striped, or (they are)with plenty of bumps and bruises, although more flavorful.
or it is only acceptable only the 2nd independent clause reads ", although more flavorful,they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises.

Please shed some light on this
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In this question if we go by meaning, we can easily eliminate option A, B and C. among D and E, i opted for E as because D has following issues :

with plenty of bumps and bruises - parallelism is not maintained
although - there is no verb
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