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HELP! Should I apply in R3 or postpone? (GMAT 700 / Brazilian / 27y)

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Hi all, thanks in advance for reading this.
I just took the gmat this weekend, and I was planning to apply in the third round for Jan2020 intake.
I'm wondering if I should retake the gmat and delay my application. Any suggestions?

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Background
Work experience:
1) 4,5 years of risk management at big US bank (think GS, JPM and MS): 3.5 years based in Brazil (local coverage - Analyst and Intern) and 1 year based in US (regional coverage for LATAM - Associate and Analyst); promoted once.
2) 1 year as Business Analyst Intern at start-up in Brazil.
Undergrad school/major:Top Engineering school in Brazil - Bachelor's Degree, Naval Engineering.
Extracurriculars: Volunteer at Endowment Fund of my school (fundraising events and member of finance department); Volunteer in adoption events for Dogs Rescue NGO; Volunteer consultant for tech NGO (4-project focused on competitor analysis and initial recommendation for regional expansion).
Race/nationality/Sex: White/Brazilian/Male
Age: 27
First Generation College Student: Is this relevant for INSEAD?

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Undergrad GPA: Not sure how to convert: 6.3/10 (School provides grade explanation saying that the usual highest mark is 7)
GMAT Score (breakdown): 700 (V35, Q49) ; IR 8

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Short-term: Move to consulting (MBB) or IB
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Hello fellow compatriot :)

I'm no expert of course but if you really have IB in mind I think you should focus on 20D since it's the only intake you can have a summer internship (and that's crucial for IB).

Once again, I am no expert but I wouldn't retake - unless you are super confident you can get a higher grade. I retook it twice, did worse than my first time both times and ended up applying with my original score - I spent so much additional time, money and stress for nothing. I would just focus on the application!

On the other hand, I am not sure how competitive R3 can get. So let's just wait for the experts to weight in!

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Hello fellow compatriot :)

I'm no expert of course but if you really have IB in mind I think you should focus on 20D since it's the only intake you can have a summer internship (and that's crucial for IB).

Once again, I am no expert but I wouldn't retake - unless you are super confident you can get a higher grade. I retook it twice, did worse than my first time both times and ended up applying with my original score - I spent so much additional time, money and stress for nothing. I would just focus on the application!

On the other hand, I am not sure how competitive R3 can get. So let's just wait for the experts to weight in!

boa sorte ;)
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Will be happy to answer this for you but I have a few questions. Postponed to when? Another round or September batch? How sure are you about consulting? What other schools are you applying to? Specifically need to know if they are European or if you have any intentions of applying to US schools. And finally what is your percentile breakdown for each section of the GMAT?

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Will be happy to answer this for you but I have a few questions. Postponed to when? Another round or September batch? How sure are you about consulting? What other schools are you applying to? Specifically need to know if they are European or if you have any intentions of applying to US schools. And finally what is your percentile breakdown for each section of the GMAT?

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Probably postpone to September's batch, I don't think it would be possible to bump my verbal score enough before R4.. Also, I started thinking that R4 would be probably harder than R1 and R2.

I'm pretty sure about consulting, it's basically why I'm applying to business school.

I'm really interested in INSEAD, love the school diversity, the idea to study in 2 different countries and it's just 1 year (more compelling for me).. If I do not get in, I would probably apply just to US Schools (I ahve enough time for a retake in R2)..

GMAT percentiles: Q 74%, V 76%, IR 92%

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Okay the reason I asked if you're pretty sure about Consulting is because you mentioned IB and as the previous poster mentioned you must apply January batch for IB. September is okay for Consulting but only for Insead because it is basically a Consulting Factory LOL

INSEAD likes to see 75 percentile for both verbal and Quant and you're close enough. Also your IR score is more than sufficient. Might want to highlight other aspects of your quant background to solidify.

I'm glad that you have a 700 because MBB requires 700 for top 10 schools, 720 top 20.

I think I would agree that you want to go for it with round three, because you're creeping up on being a little old for US schools for consulting recruitment, to wait another year.

And if it doesn't work out you will want to be able to put your full focus behind US and/or Europe early application and R1 September deadlines.

INSEAD application is ginormous and it's really difficult to complete it in tandem with those for other schools. So I would really recommend that you get that application done to your best, get feedback on it and then proceed from there.

So in sum, I don't think they will be worried about your score or quant ability so much but you may be competing against other Brasilians who have stronger quant scores.

And for that reason you will want to put forth a really strong effort with the application all elements of the application: recommendations, essays, video etc and of course your resume. Really devote a lot of time to each of these.

Contemplate how you will separate yourself from other Brazilians, what unique contribution would bring to the class? Are there any special aspects to your background? Of course I would advocate working with a consultant.

Keep in mind the four criteria academics, leadership, contribution, and international orientation. You really want to use the application to drive home what you have to offer with all of these.

I'm not sure what your post MBA career goals are in terms of geography but if INSEAD doesn't work out, and you have any interest in Europe or LATAM recruitment, recommend IESE early round (read: scholarship) I'm a fanatic about the case method and obviously your background would be well-disposed. I can understand having a preference for a one-year program, ( well actually I wouldn't because I feel like that would be way too intense) but the price tag is comparable.

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Hi MAPP,

I think your profile is competitive enough to be a successful Round 3 applicant. Your GMAT score is slightly below INSEAD's average, but your Q/V scores meet INSEAD's recommendation to be at least at 70-75th percentile.

INSEAD is not the most re-applicant friendly of schools. Although I have helped several re-applicants get accepted, in most cases, when it comes to INSEAD, you only have one shot. Therefore, if you're confident you can increase your GMAT score, go for it and apply in Round 1 in the next intake (just to be on the "safe" side).

If you are serious about consulting, Jan or Sep intake shouldn't make much of a difference. Unlike for IB, a summer internship is not a must for consulting. That being said though, if you do land a summer internship at a consulting firm and you perform well, you'll most likely get a full-time offer at the end of your internship. This will allow you to enjoy P4 and P5 at their fullest, since you'll already have a job offer.

I'd be very interested in seeing your resume to understand more your career progression during those 4.5 years at the US bank. Feel free to share it (alex@arleeconsulting.com).

I hope this helps.

By the way, I was also a first generation college graduate in my family when I applied to INSEAD. I wouldn't say it adds a whole lot of points, but it is good to let the school know.

Good luck!
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I don't need to be Debbie Downer here but I think he is wise to first assess the situation. INSEAD is a huge app..and so adcom is not very warm to reapplicants unless they have a significant jump in GMAT, job responsibilities or International shiz.

I want to caution anybody who is thinking about doing a Hail Mary attempt for January batch and just planning to reapply in September. That's most likely not going to work out.

Keep in mind that when you are replying to a school shortly after your previous application without substantial upgrade of your profile, you're basically telling the admissions committee that they were wrong and that they should go back on their previous decision.

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Okay the reason I asked if you're pretty sure about Consulting is because you mentioned IB and as the previous poster mentioned you must apply January batch for IB. September is okay for Consulting but only for Insead because it is basically a Consulting Factory LOL

INSEAD likes to see 75 percentile for both verbal and Quant and you're close enough. Also your IR score is more than sufficient. Might want to highlight other aspects of your quant background to solidify.

I'm glad that you have a 700 because MBB requires 700 for top 10 schools, 720 top 20.

I think I would agree that you want to go for it with round three, because you're creeping up on being a little old for US schools for consulting recruitment, to wait another year.

And if it doesn't work out you will want to be able to put your full focus behind US and/or Europe early application and R1 September deadlines.

INSEAD application is ginormous and it's really difficult to complete it in tandem with those for other schools. So I would really recommend that you get that application done to your best, get feedback on it and then proceed from there.

So in sum, I don't think they will be worried about your score or quant ability so much but you may be competing against other Brasilians who have stronger quant scores.

And for that reason you will want to put forth a really strong effort with the application all elements of the application: recommendations, essays, video etc and of course your resume. Really devote a lot of time to each of these.

Contemplate how you will separate yourself from other Brazilians, what unique contribution would bring to the class? Are there any special aspects to your background? Of course I would advocate working with a consultant.

Keep in mind the four criteria academics, leadership, contribution, and international orientation. You really want to use the application to drive home what you have to offer with all of these.

I'm not sure what your post MBA career goals are in terms of geography but if INSEAD doesn't work out, and you have any interest in Europe or LATAM recruitment, recommend IESE early round (read: scholarship) I'm a fanatic about the case method and obviously your background would be well-disposed. I can understand having a preference for a one-year program, ( well actually I wouldn't because I feel like that would be way too intense) but the price tag is comparable.

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Hi MAPP,

I think your profile is competitive enough to be a successful Round 3 applicant. Your GMAT score is slightly below INSEAD's average, but your Q/V scores meet INSEAD's recommendation to be at least at 70-75th percentile.

INSEAD is not the most re-applicant friendly of schools. Although I have helped several re-applicants get accepted, in most cases, when it comes to INSEAD, you only have one shot. Therefore, if you're confident you can increase your GMAT score, go for it and apply in Round 1 in the next intake (just to be on the "safe" side).

If you are serious about consulting, Jan or Sep intake shouldn't make much of a difference. Unlike for IB, a summer internship is not a must for consulting. That being said though, if you do land a summer internship at a consulting firm and you perform well, you'll most likely get a full-time offer at the end of your internship. This will allow you to enjoy P4 and P5 at their fullest, since you'll already have a job offer.

I'd be very interested in seeing your resume to understand more your career progression during those 4.5 years at the US bank. Feel free to share it (alex@arleeconsulting.com).

I hope this helps.

By the way, I was also a first generation college graduate in my family when I applied to INSEAD. I wouldn't say it adds a whole lot of points, but it is good to let the school know.

Good luck!
Alex
Thanks Alex, I will send my resume in your email!

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If you're asking whether the GMAT will make or break your app the answer is no. I had a 700 with a mediocre GPA and got in. For context, I only wrote it once four years ago so even my percentiles had dropped. What they're looking for is academic capacity, you just need to communicate how you have that. A 700 is a tick mark in the GMAT section but not a deciding factor unless you have like a 770+ which could mean your interview chances go up significantly. What matters most in my opinion is how cohesive your application is. It is important that your essays, recommendations and goals show why you would be a great INSEAD fit. I would be more concerned if you don't have any of that pat down.

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