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Hikers need strong boots as well as a large, comfortable backpack.

a) Hikers need strong boots as well as a large, comfortable

b) Hikers need strong boots and a large, comfortable

c) A hiker needs strong boots as well as a large, comfortable

d) Hikers need strong boots as well as a comfortable, large

e) A hiker need strong boots and a comfortable, large
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Hikers need strong boots as well as a large, comfortable backpack ??

a) Hikers need strong boots as well as a large, comfortable

b) Hikers need strong boots and a large, comfortable

c) A hiker needs strong boots as well as a large, comfortable

d) Hikers need strong boots as well as a comfortable, large

e) A hiker need strong boots and a comfortable, large


If you don't mind, could you share the source of this question.
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Could you, please, explain why B here is better than C?

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Could you, please, explain why B here is better than C?


as well as is used when you are implying contrast to one thing compared to other.

Although "and" implies both items hold same importance.

Hope it helps. :)



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But "as well as" could be used as "not only..., but also" - and such a meaning fits here well enough.
Consequently, B changes meaning...
While C implies the same meaning

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I can't understand why option B is correct and C is wrong?

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mohitisro If you could tell what's the source of this question
And what is OE?

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mohitisro If you could tell what's the source of this question
And what is OE?

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I didn't find any official explanation for the question.
the question is from practice test LBS (gmat economist)
OA is only provided.

Thanks ,
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Yeah, thank you!
But I still have a doubt about this question...
"as well as" could be used as "not only..., but also" - and such a meaning fits here well enough.
Consequently, B changes meaning...
While C implies the same meaning

Just hope, that some expert could clarify that for me. Maybe GMATNinja or daagh

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1. 'and' means equal on either side. 50/50
2. 'as well as' means -- never 50/50; it may be 51 as well as 49 or 99 as well as 1 The first one is always more than the second in importance
3.In the case of 'not only'... 'bust also', the 'but also' factor is emphasized more than the 'not only' factor --e.g: Those who want to be employed in far eastern countries should be familiar not only with international etiquette but also with local customs. This means that if you don't regard local customs, you may be in for some trouble.

Now, in the given question, both strong boots and the backpack are equally essential for the hiker/ hikers. Yet again, the split on a large/ comfortable or comfortable/large backpack is just a diversionary ploy.
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1. 'and' means equal on either side. 50/50
2. 'as well as' means -- never 50/50; it may be 51 as well as 49 or 99 as well as 1 The first one is always more than the second in importance
3.In the case of 'not only'... 'bust also', the 'but also' factor is emphasized more than the 'not only' factor --e.g: Those who want to be employed in far eastern countries should be familiar not only with international etiquette but also with local customs. This means that if you don't regard local customs, you may be in for some trouble.

Now, in the given question, both strong boots and the backpack are equally essential for the hiker/ hikers. Yet again, the split on a large/ comfortable or comfortable/large backpack is just a diversionary ploy.


So, how in this question should we eliminate each answer choice? How to distinguish intended meaning here?

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Hikers need strong boots as well as a large, comfortable backpack

a) Hikers need strong boots as well as a large, comfortable

b) Hikers need strong boots and a large, comfortable

c) A hiker needs strong boots as well as a large, comfortable

d) Hikers need strong boots as well as a comfortable, large

e) A hiker need strong boots and a comfortable, large

The dilemma you are facing is chiefly because of your attempt to find the one correct choice that is mired with four other wrong choices. answer. This won't help in GMAT practice IMO; You should look forward to spotting errors first since there are four as many and it is easier to spot.
In this case, since I said both things are equal in importance, you must eliminate in one go A, C, and D, notwithstanding that there may be other errors in them. Then, on the glimpse of it, one can know that E is having an SV number error. B is the only one that is left.

The cornerstone of this confidence is the thoroughness of one's grammar basics.
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1. 'and' means equal on either side. 50/50
2. 'as well as' means -- never 50/50; it may be 51 as well as 49 or 99 as well as 1 The first one is always more than the second in importance
3.In the case of 'not only'... 'bust also', the 'but also' factor is emphasized more than the 'not only' factor --e.g: Those who want to be employed in far eastern countries should be familiar not only with international etiquette but also with local customs. This means that if you don't regard local customs, you may be in for some trouble.

Now, in the given question, both strong boots and the backpack are equally essential for the hiker/ hikers. Yet again, the split on a large/ comfortable or comfortable/large backpack is just a diversionary ploy.


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Your Point no. 1 , 2 & 3 is very clear and help us to understand the usage of 'and; , 'as well as' and ' Not only... but also' . But in the present question or any other question, we can't understand the importance of 2 things from our own. We don't need to put any extra information from outside. We can't say if both the strong boots and backpack are equally important or not. If it is given in the question stem so we should not try to change the meaning.
And hence I feel that 'C' is a better option than 'B' for this question. I don't know the source but somehow the question is framed in a poor manner.
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Could you, please, explain why B here is better than C?


Thanks to daagh. It is very important information.
But we really, as shashankism mentioned, can not obtain from the question the the grade of information, what is more important - backpack or boots.

I would like also to ask one more question. I we had additional option f, which one, b or f would be better?

Hikers need strong boots as well as a large, comfortable backpack ??

a) Hikers need strong boots as well as a large, comfortable

b) Hikers need strong boots and a large, comfortable

c) A hiker needs strong boots as well as a large, comfortable

d) Hikers need strong boots as well as a comfortable, large

e) A hiker need strong boots and a comfortable, large

(f) A hiker needs strong boots and a large, comfortable

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Need a clarification ..
In B we have plural Hikers but singular back pack ...all hikers will not use common bag pack ..Bag pack must be Bag packs ....

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Need a clarification ..
In B we have plural Hikers but singular back pack ...all hikers will not use common bag pack ..Bag pack must be Bag packs ....


So you agree that option f is better than option b?
Not <hikers>, but <a hiker>.

But if we believe to official answer provided, than Many Hikers and One Backpack - is all right?

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The case of my post was to make grammar clear. Hope there is no hitch about that.
However, one cannot skip a question on the premise that, he or she has no knowledge about a topic.
Look for instance the following OG question
The intricate structure of the compound insect eye, having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain why scientists have assumed that it evolved independently of the vertebrate eye.

A having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain why scientists have assumed that it
B having hundreds of miniature eyes that are called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that they
C with its hundreds of miniature eyes that are called ommatidia, helps explain scientists' assuming that they
D with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain scientists' assuming that it
E with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that it
How many of us know about vertebrate ophthalmology Are we going to skip these questions then, saying that GMAT is no good?

IMO, the point of GMAT is not to test you what you know, but to see what you do in an uncertain milieu. It is to spot those who can think out of the box than tread the beaten path. Or else, What is the point of these questions anyway?
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Hikers need strong boots as well as a large, comfortable backpack ??

b) Hikers need strong boots and a large, comfortable
c) A hiker needs strong boots as well as a large, comfortable
(f) A hiker needs strong boots and a large, comfortable[/quote]

Can, please, anyone settle this?

1. Is it ok that in B hikers - plural, backpack - singular?
2. Which one of the options b and f better?

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daagh wrote:
1. 'and' means equal on either side. 50/50
2. 'as well as' means -- never 50/50; it may be 51 as well as 49 or 99 as well as 1 The first one is always more than the second in importance
3.In the case of 'not only'... 'bust also', the 'but also' factor is emphasized more than the 'not only' factor --e.g: Those who want to be employed in far eastern countries should be familiar not only with international etiquette but also with local customs. This means that if you don't regard local customs, you may be in for some trouble.

Now, in the given question, both strong boots and the backpack are equally essential for the hiker/ hikers. Yet again, the split on a large/ comfortable or comfortable/large backpack is just a diversionary ploy.


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Your Point no. 1 , 2 & 3 is very clear and help us to understand the usage of 'and; , 'as well as' and ' Not only... but also' . But in the present question or any other question, we can't understand the importance of 2 things from our own. We don't need to put any extra information from outside. We can't say if both the strong boots and backpack are equally important or not. If it is given in the question stem so we should not try to change the meaning.
And hence I feel that 'C' is a better option than 'B' for this question. I don't know the source but somehow the question is framed in a poor manner.


Agreed.
In my view, B seriously changes meaning. While C has the same meaning as original sentence and does not have serious errors

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Are we at all concerned by the fact the OA says "Hikers need... a comfortable backpack"? Does it bother anyone but me that this seems to be implying many hikers to one backpack? And if not, why not?

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