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and when would it be 6*6*6??


Let me add my thought too here: When order matters, essentially you are saying that the dice are distinct, say of three different colors. So a 2 on the red die and 1 on the others is different from 2 on the yellow one with 1 on the other two.
When order doesn't matter, it implies that the dice are identical. If you have three identical dice and you throw them, a 2, 1, 1 is the same no matter which die gives you 2 because you cannot tell them apart.


But why do we not divide 6*5 by 2?
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
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and when would it be 6*6*6??


Let me add my thought too here: When order matters, essentially you are saying that the dice are distinct, say of three different colors. So a 2 on the red die and 1 on the others is different from 2 on the yellow one with 1 on the other two.
When order doesn't matter, it implies that the dice are identical. If you have three identical dice and you throw them, a 2, 1, 1 is the same no matter which die gives you 2 because you cannot tell them apart.


But why do we not divide 6*5 by 2?


Because it is given that the order DOES NOT matter.

When we arrange XYY in 3! ways and divide by 2, it is because when counting 3!, we have assumed that the two Ys are distinct so XY1Y2 and XY2Y1 are 2 different arrangements (Y1 is second position and Y2 on third as against Y2 on second position and Y1 on third). But actually there is only one arrangement XYY. So the number of arrangements becomes half.
Here there is no arrangement since the 3 places __ __ __ are not distinct. Think that the 3 dice are completely identical. So you don't have a first-second-third position.
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How many different combinations of outcomes can you make by rolling three standard (6-sided) dice if the
order of the dice does not matter?
(A) 24 (B) 30 (C) 56 (D) 120 (E) 216


If the order of the dice don't matter then we can distinguish the outcomes in following ways

Case 1: When all the three dice show Different outcomes on them - This may happen in 6C3 ways = 20 ways (Choosing 3 distinct outcomes out of 6 possible outcomes on each dice)

Case 2: When two dice are same and third is different - 6C2*2 = 15*2 = 30 ways (Choose 2 out of 6 possible outcome of dice in 6C2 ways, then choose the number out of two outcomes that repeats e.g. 225 or 255 way if two chosen numbers are 2 and 5)

Case 3: When all the dice show same outcome - 6 ways (111 or 222 or 333 etc.)

Total favourable cases = 20+30+6 = 56 ways

Answer: Option C

Bunuel : This question has been discussed here
https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-many-dif ... ml#p280405
so Please merge the topics

uttam94317 Please search the question before you post. Read the rules of posting
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How many different combinations of outcomes can you make by rolling three standard (6-sided) dice if the order of the dice does not matter?

(A) 24
(B) 30
(C) 56
(D) 120
(E) 216


If all 3 numbers are the same, we have 6C1 = 6 combinations.

If two of the 3 numbers are the same and the third is different, we have 6C2 x 2 = (6 x 5)/2 x 2 = 30 combinations. (Note: There are 6C2 ways to choose 2 numbers from 6 when order doesn’t matter. However, when two numbers are chosen, for example, 1 and 2, the combinations (1, 1, 2) and (2, 2, 1) are considered different, therefore, we need to multiply by 2.)

If all 3 numbers are the different, we have 6C3 = (6 x 5 x 4)/(3 x 2) = 20 combinations.

Therefore, there are 6 + 30 + 20 = 56 combinations.

Answer: C
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rohitgoel15 wrote:
mm007 wrote:
How many different combinations of outcomes can you make by rolling three standard (6-sided) dice if the order of the dice does not matter?

(A) 24
(B) 30
(C) 56
(D) 120
(E) 216


The only way I can see this is 6*6*6 - 6 (same outcomes) ... Can anyone explain?


If the order of the dice does not matter then we can have 3 cases:
1. XXX - all dice show alike numbers: 6 outcomes (111, 222, ..., 666);
2. XXY - two dice show alike numbers and third is different: \(6*5=30\), 6 choices for X and 5 choices for Y;
3. XYZ - all three dice show distinct numbers: \(C^3_6=20\), selecting three different numbers from 6;

Total: 6+30+20=56.

Answer: C.


The case 2 of your solution seems wrong because 6*5=30 and in these 30 sequences order matters. So to correct that we have to divide it by 2 and the number of combination from case 2 should be 15.
Kindly, let me know what i am missing here.

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manikmehta95 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
rohitgoel15 wrote:
mm007 wrote:
How many different combinations of outcomes can you make by rolling three standard (6-sided) dice if the order of the dice does not matter?

(A) 24
(B) 30
(C) 56
(D) 120
(E) 216


The only way I can see this is 6*6*6 - 6 (same outcomes) ... Can anyone explain?


If the order of the dice does not matter then we can have 3 cases:
1. XXX - all dice show alike numbers: 6 outcomes (111, 222, ..., 666);
2. XXY - two dice show alike numbers and third is different: \(6*5=30\), 6 choices for X and 5 choices for Y;
3. XYZ - all three dice show distinct numbers: \(C^3_6=20\), selecting three different numbers from 6;

Total: 6+30+20=56.

Answer: C.


The case 2 of your solution seems wrong because 6*5=30 and in these 30 sequences order matters. So to correct that we have to divide it by 2 and the number of combination from case 2 should be 15.
Kindly, let me know what i am missing here.

Thanks


Not sure how you deduced that but here are all 30 cases of XXY:
1 1 2
1 1 3
1 1 4
1 1 5
1 1 6
2 2 1
2 2 3
2 2 4
2 2 5
2 2 6
3 3 1
3 3 2
3 3 4
3 3 5
3 3 6
4 4 1
4 4 2
4 4 3
4 4 5
4 4 6
5 5 1
5 5 2
5 5 3
5 5 4
5 5 6
6 6 1
6 6 2
6 6 3
6 6 4
6 6 5

AS you can see no duplication there.
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This question can be solved in different ways.
I thought of sharing an approach that can save a lot of time.

Given

• 3 standard 6-sided dice are rolled.

To Find

• No of combinations when order does not matter.

Approach and Working Out

• Let’s assume the number of 1s, 2s, till 6s.
o No of 1s = a
o No of 2s = b
o No of 3s = c
o No of 4s = d
o No of 5s = e
o No of 6s = f
• We can say, a + b + c + d + e + f = 3 (as we have 3 dices).
• The number of non-negative integral solutions of this equation will be,
o (3 + 6 – 1)C(6-1)
o = 8C5
o = 56

• Please note, the number of non-negative integral solution of an equation a + b + c … + r = n is given by, (n + r – 1)C(r – 1).

Correct Answer: Option C
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Bunuel wrote:
rohitgoel15 wrote:
mm007 wrote:
How many different combinations of outcomes can you make by rolling three standard (6-sided) dice if the order of the dice does not matter?

(A) 24
(B) 30
(C) 56
(D) 120
(E) 216


The only way I can see this is 6*6*6 - 6 (same outcomes) ... Can anyone explain?


If the order of the dice does not matter then we can have 3 cases:
1. XXX - all dice show alike numbers: 6 outcomes (111, 222, ..., 666);
2. XXY - two dice show alike numbers and third is different: \(6*5=30\), 6 choices for X and 5 choices for Y;
3. XYZ - all three dice show distinct numbers: \(C^3_6=20\), selecting three different numbers from 6;

Total: 6+30+20=56.

Answer: C.



Hi Bunuel

My understanding was: Since the order is not important it is= 6*6*6
What's the fault in my understanding?
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Bunuel wrote:
rohitgoel15 wrote:
How many different combinations of outcomes can you make by rolling three standard (6-sided) dice if the order of the dice does not matter?

(A) 24
(B) 30
(C) 56
(D) 120
(E) 216

The only way I can see this is 6*6*6 - 6 (same outcomes) ... Can anyone explain?


If the order of the dice does not matter then we can have 3 cases:
1. XXX - all dice show alike numbers: 6 outcomes (111, 222, ..., 666);
2. XXY - two dice show alike numbers and third is different: \(6*5=30\), 6 choices for X and 5 choices for Y;
3. XYZ - all three dice show distinct numbers: \(C^3_6=20\), selecting three different numbers from 6;

Total: 6+30+20=56.

Answer: C.



Hi Bunuel

My understanding was: Since the order is not important it is= 6*6*6
What's the fault in my understanding?


When order of the dice matters, {first die = 1, second die = 1, third die = 2} is different from {first die = 1, second die = 2, first die = 1} and {first die = 2, second die = 1, third die = 1}. So, in this case first die has 6 options, second die has 6 options, and third die has 6 options, so the total number of combinations is 6*6*6.

When the order does not matter, so when {1, 1, 2} is just one combination, the total number of combinations is less than 6^3 and you should consider the cases discussed in my solution above.

Hope it's clear.
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Does outcome not mean the final value?

So, will 4-1-1 not have the same outcome as 2-2-2?
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Does outcome not mean the final value?

So, will 4-1-1 not have the same outcome as 2-2-2?



No. Outcome means what is showing on the dice.

The sum is not being considered.

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