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However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.
(A) However much United States voters may agree that
(B) Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
(C) Although United States voters agree
(D) Even though United States voters may agree
(E) There is agreement among United States voters that

this sentence is pretty weird. Why A is correct, because I think US votters is countable noun.
would you plz explain it for me.
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12 Apr 2006, 07:10
US Voters is a countable noun, but that's not what we need to "count." The agreement is the focus of this sentence.

My answer is D.

A -- incorrect usage of much.
B -- Wordy and awkward
C -- Distorts the meaning of the sentence
E -- Distorts the meaning of the sentence

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12 Apr 2006, 12:02
I dunno why OA is A ))my choice is D
Matt where are you? please elaborate this one
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12 Apr 2006, 16:55
^ A ^

is the correct answer. "However much" is the correct usage. It has nothing to do with uncountable or countable nouns.

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14 Apr 2006, 04:32
So, what does "however much" mean?
It's the first time I've seen this phrase...

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14 Apr 2006, 13:07
I go with A. Only because of the fact that I remember doing it before

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16 Jun 2006, 14:43
OK !
So "However much" is actually an idiomatic expression...
Darren1010, I had never heard it before either...
Anyway I found a site which is actually an english class for Japanese, but the explanation is quite clear : http://www.enat.org/~aribob/pt.howevermuch.html.
What I will remember is that However sth can be used the same way we use No matter how sth.
And by the way it seems The Who made a song called "However much I booze", of course The Who lyrics are not the perfect source for GMAT idiomatic expression, but I guess a fan of The Who would have had this sentence right...
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16 Jun 2006, 15:28
marclopato wrote:
OK !
So "However much" is actually an idiomatic expression...
Darren1010, I had never heard it before either...
Anyway I found a site which is actually an english class for Japanese, but the explanation is quite clear : http://www.enat.org/~aribob/pt.howevermuch.html.
What I will remember is that However sth can be used the same way we use No matter how sth.
And by the way it seems The Who made a song called "However much I booze", of course The Who lyrics are not the perfect source for GMAT idiomatic expression, but I guess a fan of The Who would have had this sentence right...
Cheers

Well explained, but can someone explain why C or D is incorrect??
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16 Jun 2006, 16:27
gmatmba wrote:
Well explained, but can someone explain why C or D is incorrect??

I think C & D require "that" to convey correct meaning

Follwing sentences are different and second one probably does not make sense (at least in this context)
1. X may agree that there is waste in...
2. X may agree there is waste in ..

C is also incorrect because the original sentence has MAY, implying that the issue is not CERTAIN. C omits MAY and hence seems to convey that the issue is CERTAIN.

As usual I may be wrong..
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16 Jun 2006, 18:51
usage of agreement is incorrect - that leaves with option 'A' 'C' & 'D' ..

'C' - is incorrect for two reasons
(i) usage of may missing from the original stem. Here ' May' denotes certain level of likely hood..which is missing
(i) Usage of it after 'means,' is incorrect . Should have been they as although qualifies or modifies United states voters and not their level of agreement...
Although voters agree that something is wrong,they did not do anything to minimise.....

'D' - Usage of 'even though' is very similar to 'Although' and is used less often as sentence beginners. Usage of Although is always preferred...
Also it should be followed by they as it qualifies voters...

'A' - is right because However much modifiies or qualifies the measure of agreement. Either they totally agree or partially do.. it is difficult to mimise the state government

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17 Jun 2006, 00:58
Quoting OE

Answer to Question 10
A is the best choice. Choices B, C, and D incorrectly omit that after agree; that is needed to create the parallel construction agree that there is waste . . . and that the government... spends. Choice E, though it retains that, is grammatically incorrect: because E starts with an independent rather than a subordinate clause and separates its two independent clauses with a comma, it creates a run-on sentence with no logical connection established between the halves. In B, the agreement ... to the fact is unidiomatic, and B, C, and E alter the sense of the original sentence by saying that voters agree rather than that they may agree.
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17 Jun 2006, 03:22
darren1010 wrote:
However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.
(A) However much United States voters may agree that
(B) Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
(C) Although United States voters agree
(D) Even though United States voters may agree
(E) There is agreement among United States voters that

this sentence is pretty weird. Why A is correct, because I think US votters is countable noun.
would you plz explain it for me.
Thank you

darren1010,

Here "however much" is modifying "agree".
Ex- "how much do you agree with me??"

Similarly in the below sentence, we are talking about the degree of accord:

However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.

Well, A is correct beacuse it has "that"

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17 Jun 2006, 06:48
(A) keeps the sentence in conservative terms. It ambiguously says some, most, or all the voters "may" agree, but even so they are not willing to take the next steps of moving towards a minimalistic state.

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