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However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.

A However much United States voters may agree that
B Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
C Although United States voters agree
D Even though United States voters may agree
E There is agreement among United States voters that

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However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.

A However much United States voters may agree that
B Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
C Although United States voters agree
D Even though United States voters may agree
E There is agreement among United States voters that

Dear jadixit,
I'm happy to help with this. :-)

Choice (A) is correct, and uses the correct original meaning of the word "however." True grammatical conservatives, such as me, argue that this is the only proper use of the word, and that using "however" as a synonym for "although" or "nevertheless" is not acceptable. In this respect, I am more conservative than the GMAT, because the GMAT frequently allows this latter use. It's important to understand, though --- the latter use is secondary.

The original use is the indefinite form of the adverb "how". Think of the pronouns & adverbs ---who, what, where, when, etc.
who = a particular person
whoever = an indefinite person
what = a particular object
whatever = an indefinite object
when = a particular time
whenever = an indefinite time
where = a particular place
wherever = an indefinite place
Much in the same way, the adverb "how" in "how much" indicates a particular degree, and "however" in "however much" indicates an indefinite degree. In this form, as a relative adjective, the words "however much" also open a dependent clause. The grammar of choice (A) is 100% correct.

Incidentally, the phrase "however that may be" is, in fact, a synonym for "nevertheless", but because people are lazy, that phrase was abbreviated to simply "however", and people use "however" so commonly as a synonym for "nevertheless" that the mistake has become acceptable even in contexts with lofty standards, such as the GMAT SC.

Choice (B) & (C) & (D) omit the first "that", so they interrupt the parallelism between the two "that" clauses.

Choice (E) results in a run-on sentence with a comma splice. See:
http://gmat.magoosh.com/lessons/916-run-on-sentences

The only possible answer is (A).

Does all this make sense?
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Can someone justify the usage of 'much' here. I think much refers to voters which is a countable noun and hence much is not the right word !
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Can someone justify the usage of 'much' here. I think much refers to voters which is a countable noun and hence much is not the right word !


Please go through the following examples. These are self-explanatory and will clear your doubts.

A: How many pizzas do we have?
B: I'm not sure. Not many.
A: Well, however many we have, we need to distribute them
(Doesn't matter even if we have 5 pizzas. We will still distribute them)

C: How much wine do we have?
D: I'm not sure. Not much.
C: Well, however much we have, we need to distribute it.
(Doesn't matter even if we have a little wine. We will still distribute it)

E: How much do the US voters agree?
F: I'm not sure. Not much.
E: Well, however much they may agree, it is difficult to find support
(Doesn't matter how much they agree. They will still find it difficult to garner support)
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Can someone justify the usage of 'much' here. I think much refers to voters which is a countable noun and hence much is not the right word !

Dear hello2gmat
I'm happy to respond. The word "much" is an adverb that modifies the verb "agree".
P and Q do not agree much.
R agrees with me much more than does T.
How much does he agree?
However much the voters agree?

We are not talking about the number of voters, but about the amount of agreement.
Does this make sense?
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IMO A.
We need a "that" before 'there' .. which leaves us with A and E.
E is not showing any contrast. Hence A.
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IMO A

Best conveys the meaning as compared to other choices
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Does the sentence mean something like , "however much may the extent of agreement be". I still do not get the concept of "much" here as it seems to be talking about U.S voters who are countable.
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How are the Other options Incorrect..I chose (D)..Please explain..
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How are the Other options Incorrect..I chose (D)..Please explain..


Plug in option D and u will observe it becoms a run on sentence;; Connector "that" is required to connect 2 sentences "may agree" and " there is";

I agree he runs fast; Wrong
I agree that he runs fast; right as "that" make the other sentence as dependent clause;
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So,why is E wrong? "agreement" is wrong?


Agreement changes the meaning. Underlines sentence shows probability "may agree".
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IMO -E there.........that... that is necessary .without that sentence will be ambiguous


E changes the meaning. Answer is A.
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What's wrong with option E? I believe sentence must have the word "that" since it uses "that X and that Y". Please explain
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What's wrong with option E? I believe sentence must have the word "that" since it uses "that X and that Y". Please explain

E is a run-on sentence; this occurs when two independent clauses are connected by a comma.

A simplistic sentence might help illustrate:

There is evidence that pollution is increasing, it is a matter of concern.

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However much United States voters may agree that there is a waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement towards a minimal state

a) However much United States voters may agree that

b) Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
this choice contains no element that parrallel with "and that..."

c) Although United States voters agree
wrong for the same reason as choice B

d) Even though United Staes voters may agree
wrong for the same reason as choice B

e) There is agreement among United States voters that
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arkle wrote:
that there is waste in government and that the government -- ||ism

between A and E -- A is better, E is wordy.



Just want to elaborate your answer a bit.

E is wrong because "may agree" in A is totally different from "an agreement" in E.

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HI,

Although on basis of parallism , I marked the correct answer. But I have a doube here. As we are saying Much of the united states voters may agree. Here voters are countable so is the use of much is right?

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However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.

(A) However much United States voters may agree that
(B) Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
(C) Although United States voters agree
(D) Even though United States voters may agree
(E) There is agreement among United States voters that
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New post 20 Aug 2015, 19:47
Hi,

I would go with A and here are my 2 cents:

We need "that" to show parallelism :that there is waste in government and that the government.

So only A and E remain. Per meaning of the sentence we want to show an element of contrast. that is.. people agree that the government is bad still it is difficult to find broad support for a minimal state.

Only A does that.

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