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However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.

(A) However much United States voters may agree that
(B) Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
(C) Although United States voters agree
(D) Even though United States voters may agree
(E) There is agreement among United States voters that

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Hi,

I would go with A and here are my 2 cents:

We need "that" to show parallelism :that there is waste in government and that the government.

So only A and E remain. Per meaning of the sentence we want to show an element of contrast. that is.. people agree that the government is bad still it is difficult to find broad support for a minimal state.

Only A does that.

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However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.

(A) However much United States voters may agree that
(B) Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
(C) Although United States voters agree
(D) Even though United States voters may agree
(E) There is agreement among United States voters that


Ans: (A) original non-underlined sentence usage "that" after the "and" so it must be present in the first part of the sentence. (i don't know about "much" IMO many can be the right word here to use as voters are countable noun)
B) does not have That, "Agreement to the fact" kindof seems wordy
C) That,
D) That
E) there is agreement........ that there is waste.. Awkward and wordy
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ChrisLele, thanks for the explanation. One question - why "much" is used with voters (which is countable)?

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daagh wrote:
There is an aspect of altered intent to this question, which seems to have been overlooked so far. The passage states that ‘However much United States voters “may agree”. This “may agree” part is an important intent of the text. Changing the ‘may agree’ to “agreement” in B and E and simply to “agree” in choice C indulges in substantial alteration of intent.

This leaves us with choices A and D; D is however woefully inadequate in llism, by dropping the connector “that” in the first part.



Hi Daagh,

Although I also picked A as it was the best option but
isn't "much United States voters may agree" incorrect as much is used to quantify countable noun voters.

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NO satisfactory explanation about "much" in correct choice

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However much United States voters may agree that there is a waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement towards a minimal state

a) However much United States voters may agree that
b) Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
c) Although United States voters agree
d) Even though United Staes voters may agree
e) There is agreement among United States voters that


The answer to this A. I agree.
Am just a little confused - I read in MGMAT that HOWEVER is a conjugative adverb, that should be used with semi colons and not commas, since terms like these are transitional and not actually conjunctions.. Any thoughts?


Hi mikemcgarry

could you please provide your comments for option A. Voters are countable then why we are using much for this countable noun.

Please clarify this.

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why "much" is used with voters (which is countable)?

Hi lh47620, much is not for voters, but for agreement.
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PARALLELISM IS BEING CHECKED ..... AND IS A PARALLELISM INDICATOR .. THAT AND THAT.

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Much is to modify the action agree.

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There is an aspect of altered intent to this question, which seems to have been overlooked so far. The passage states that ‘However much United States voters “may agree”. This “may agree” part is an important intent of the text. Changing the ‘may agree’ to “agreement” in B and E and simply to “agree” in choice C indulges in substantial alteration of intent.

This leaves us with choices A and D; D is however woefully inadequate in llism, by dropping the connector “that” in the first part.



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Although I also picked A as it was the best option but
isn't "much United States voters may agree" incorrect as much is used to quantify countable noun voters.

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daagh wrote:
There is an aspect of altered intent to this question, which seems to have been overlooked so far. The passage states that ‘However much United States voters “may agree”. This “may agree” part is an important intent of the text. Changing the ‘may agree’ to “agreement” in B and E and simply to “agree” in choice C indulges in substantial alteration of intent.

This leaves us with choices A and D; D is however woefully inadequate in llism, by dropping the connector “that” in the first part.



Hi Daagh,

Although I also picked A as it was the best option but
isn't "much United States voters may agree" incorrect as much is used to quantify countable noun voters.


"However much" refers to the level of agreement of the voters, not the number of voters.

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lh47620 wrote:
why "much" is used with voters (which is countable)?

Hi lh47620, much is not for voters, but for agreement.


can you please elaborate.
Much is used just before United States voters.
United States is modifying voters , hence adjective.
Now anything modifying United States voters should be adjective. Much is not an adjective...
Please explain how is it used for agreement?

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can you please elaborate.
Much is used just before United States voters.
United States is modifying voters , hence adjective.
Now anything modifying United States voters should be adjective. Much is not an adjective...
Please explain how is it used for agreement?

Hi gmatlbs, basically the circumlocution of option A is:

Howsoever much the agreement among United States voters be…

It's actually quite a commonly used pattern. For example:

Howsoever much Peter may insist on becoming an artist, his parents are determined to make Peter a Doctor.

Again, much is not intended to modify Peter, but insistence.
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Is "However" a valid conjunction to join to independent clauses, or to create a subordinate clause??

Shouldn't the two clauses be separated by a semicolon?

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Is "However" a valid conjunction to join to independent clauses, or to create a subordinate clause??

Shouldn't the two clauses be separated by a semicolon?

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The use of "however" you are referring to (conjunctive adverb) is not the same as the usage of "however" here.

1. needs semicolon (introduces independent clause): I played well; however I lost.

2. does not need semicolon (no independent clause introduced) : I cannot win however well I play.

You may consider the second as a part of the list "whatever", "whenever", "however" etc. They are NOT conjunctive adverbs and does not introduce an independent clause.

"However much United States voters may agree" is not an independent clause and is of type 2 stated above.

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A cannot be correct as 'much' is inappropriate.

C looks fine.

E doesn't show the contrast.

B is wordy.

D is chucked out because C is short and concise .

Please correct me if I'm wrong. What is the OE?

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27. However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.
A) However much United States voters may agree that
B) Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
C) Although United States voters agree
D) Even though United States voters may agree
E) There is agreement among United States voters that

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A cannot be correct as 'much' is inappropriate.
C looks fine.
E doesn't show the contrast.
B is wordy.
D is chucked out because C is short and concise .

Please correct me if I'm wrong. What is the OE?

Dear GMATonMind,

I'm happy to respond. :-) I don't have the highest opinion of this SC question, but at least it does have a clear OA of (A).

My friend, I suspect what confuses you is the alternate meaning of the word "however." See this blog:
The Word “However” on the GMAT
As I explain in that blog, the word "however" has a common well-known meaning and a second, more sophisticated meaning that confused many GMAT takers. Used in the secondary sense, the construction "however much" is 100% correct.

If you have any question after you read that blog, please let me know.

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