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19 Dec 2004, 11:17
Guys please explain your answers, simply telling me the answer which I already know won't really help anybody. Thanks
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19 Dec 2004, 11:24
I would pick A.
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19 Dec 2004, 11:26
Pick "A". Other choices can be eliminated by POE.
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19 Dec 2004, 12:47
Guys again, please justify your answers, why A? why not D etc
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19 Dec 2004, 14:19
can't talk abt grammar rules, but I like the usage of "so...blah...that" and only "A" fits the bill, hence my choice.
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19 Dec 2004, 15:33
It's b/w A and D. There are 2 reasons why A is better
1- "so... that..." is preferred to "so...as to..." in introducing a result/conclusion
2- D suffers from what I would call "misplaced negation"

What the sentence wants to convey is that the study is not practical rather than the tornado not making the study practical. Do you see the nuance? A tornado can cause damages but I don't think it can make any study become anything.

I recall someone who recently asked when passive voice is better. Well, this is a perfect example because the study should be the subject of this passive sentence rather than the tornado illogically performing the action of making the study[...].
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20 Dec 2004, 09:41
Paul wrote:
It's b/w A and D. There are 2 reasons why A is better

2- D suffers from what I would call "misplaced negation"

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Thanks for jumping in Paul. We are going to be lost with out you.
What if choice D read so as to make such a study not practical ( basically getting rid of misplaced negation)

would you still pick A?. I am trying to understand when you would pick so that over so as to
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20 Dec 2004, 12:30
Praveen, I would still choose A as answer because of the subject of "making" is still "tornado" and as previously explained, this is inferior to changing the logical subject to "study".

There is an excellent post here about one of the few instances when "so as to" is better than "so that": http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7330
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20 Dec 2004, 12:53
That is a great way to look at it. Thanks Paul.
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20 Dec 2004, 15:06
praveen
for some reason, I did not see the original passage. can you repost?
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20 Dec 2004, 15:40
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praveen
for some reason, I did not see the original passage. can you repost?
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Unlike a hurricane, which can be observed from within, a tornado is so small that such a study has not been practical.
(A) that such a study has not been practical
(B) that studying it that way has not been impractical
(C) for such studies as this to have been impractical
(D) as to not make such a study practical
(E) as to be impractical of study
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12 Sep 2007, 21:42
Paul wrote:
It's b/w A and D. There are 2 reasons why A is better
1- "so... that..." is preferred to "so...as to..." in introducing a result/conclusion
2- D suffers from what I would call "misplaced negation"

What the sentence wants to convey is that the study is not practical rather than the tornado not making the study practical. Do you see the nuance? A tornado can cause damages but I don't think it can make any study become anything.

I recall someone who recently asked when passive voice is better. Well, this is a perfect example because the study should be the subject of this passive sentence rather than the tornado illogically performing the action of making the study[...].
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17 Oct 2007, 11:53
Hi Paul,

Could you elaborate more of wat exactly is a misplaced negation and how do we rectify it ?
I need some assistance on this.

Paul wrote:
It's b/w A and D. There are 2 reasons why A is better
1- "so... that..." is preferred to "so...as to..." in introducing a result/conclusion
2- D suffers from what I would call "misplaced negation"

What the sentence wants to convey is that the study is not practical rather than the tornado not making the study practical. Do you see the nuance? A tornado can cause damages but I don't think it can make any study become anything.

I recall someone who recently asked when passive voice is better. Well, this is a perfect example because the study should be the subject of this passive sentence rather than the tornado illogically performing the action of making the study[...].
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20 Oct 2013, 12:17
Also why did we exclude B?

I liked that it makes a parallel explanation for "can be observed from within" as a way of studying .
in A, the sentence equates observation with study, which made the sentence less clear and perhaps a tad ambiguous. what do you think?
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Paul wrote:
Unlike a hurricane, which can be observed from within, a tornado is so small that such a study has not been practical.
(A) that such a study has not been practical
(B) that studying it that way has not been impractical
(C) for such studies as this to have been impractical
(D) as to not make such a study practical
(E) as to be impractical of study

There is a lot we can do with meaning on this question. The question is setting up a comparison between how hurricanes and tornadoes can be studied. Hurricanes can be studied from within but tornadoes cannot. Let's go over each answer choice.

A - "such a study" refers us back to how hurricanes are studied from within and how this type of internal study is not practical with tornadoes - CORRECT
B - "has not been impractical" brings in a double negative, changing the meaning to say that we CAN study tornadoes from within - INCORRECT
C - "so small for" is not idiomatic, "such studies as this" does not necessarily refer back to the internal studies done in hurricanes, "to have been impractical" is awkward phrasing - INCORRECT
D - "not make such a study practical" is unclear wording and not preferred ("not make practical" is weak/unclear wording, "impractical" is strong/clear wording) - INCORRECT
E - uses the stronger "impractical" wording, however the meaning changes in this answer; the original intent was that tornadoes could not be studied FROM WITHIN, but this wording suggests that tornadoes cannot be studied AT ALL - INCORRECT

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27 Oct 2013, 01:28
oops, I didn't read B carefully. It has double negatives which basically changes the meaning

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