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# I CANNOT believe it. 720!!! - long post

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I CANNOT believe it. 720!!! - long post [#permalink]

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24 Jan 2006, 00:36
Hi guys, just got my GMAT score 720 (Q49/V40).

I know all of us have heard of stories about candidates comtemplating whether to cancel the score or not... I used to be VERY skeptical about these stories. Afterall, isn't the PP/GmatPrep already a reliable indication. Surely the candidate has to get a feel where he stands?!

Today, I experience it and URGE everyone NOT to EVER cancel your scores!!!
I did a gmatprep 6 days ago and score a 700. Considering that in this gmatprep test, I had around 6-8 overlap questions from OG which I took less than 5 seconds each to do (yet ran out of time), I estimate that my real level is probably only at 680.

Coupled with all the things that went wrong during my test this morning, I CANNOT believe that i hit the 7xx mark.
Imagine my position,
1) I underestimate the break-time I took and went into the Quan section 1min and 40 seconds late!!
2) Subsequently, I panick and couldn't do my first question!
3) Being someone who is in the habit of mouthing or reading out the questions (SC), I woke up this morning with a terrible sore throat!
4) I had to guess (without even reading the questions) on the last 2 Quant and 3 Verbal questions

Don't ask me how I still manage to do it? Because I really don't know?!
But do feel free to ask any questions about my study method or materials used. I will be happy to answer. Just don't ask me why I can hit 7xx in this sort of scenario?!?

PS: will the scores change when the official slip is send to your place?

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24 Jan 2006, 01:00
Congratulations !!!! Great score !

Let us know what material you used/ prep time/level of difficulty compared to OG/Power Prep/Gmat Prep. Also, can you please post your percentiles.

Congrats again !

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24 Jan 2006, 01:02
COngrats vic...nice to know that
How were your scores in PP???
and waht was ur study strategy for verbal

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24 Jan 2006, 01:39
VIC = VICtory at last!

Congratuations! Do let us know your secret sauce buddy.

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24 Jan 2006, 02:12
Hey vic,

CONGRATULATIONS

Don't think too much dude, your score is in front of you! So, it's a party time

how did you do in RCs?

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24 Jan 2006, 02:39
Thanks guys! Ok, here's just some of my experience which I hope can provide some insight on how to slaugther the GMAT beast.

By the way, will the scores change when the official result slip is send to your house?? I'm still in the "i cannot believe it' stage.

I started thinking about doing my GMAT in End October, but with my business trips, I couldn't really study properly. In fact, I study >60% of my materials while cruising 35,000 fts above ground level since I do not sleep well on planes. And in between, I can go without any studying for more than 3 weeks. So I think I really started to study seriously in Mid-Dec.

For the past 10 days (since 13th Jan evening) I was on annual leave. I switched off my business mobile-phone and concentrate 101% on study.

I approach my study very analytically. Perhaps that helps...
Quant - PS and DS
I had pretty good foundations in Quant. I estimate my raw score to be at 45. I knew that my weakness is in Verbal.
Therefore, with a target of 7xx in mind, I figure out that I should not spend too much time on Quant. To get 7xx, time should be better spend on Verbal. But I do need it to push the Quant up to a region of 48. So I practice on the weak areas like DS (testing with nos) and some bits of probability. Once I am comfortable with Quant, I did not practise too much anymore, except during those practise CAT tests questions.
With more practise, I believe 50 or 51 in Quant is achieveable. But with the constraints in time and GMAT being only one part of the MBA application process, I didn't went all out. I was happy with 48 or 49.

CR
I started GMAT using Arco Gold. This HORRIBLE book confused me and led me to all kinds of wrong concepts about CR.
And in one of those many horrible questions, I search the internet for answers and stumble upon GMAT CLUB. And it changes my approach towards GMAT completely.
I realise that this ARCO is very much condem and many answers are wrong. I start to understand better what exactly GMAT requires.
Thank you GMAT CLUB!!
Subsequently, I bought myself Kaplan 800 and since then, I have 90%-100% of CR correct. But I tend to read slowly to understand the question stem clearly.

RC
I never had major problems with RC. Being an impatient guy, I am used to skimming through reports or novels at fast speed just to get enough understanding of the story. When I analyse the mistakes in RC, I realise that I commit mistakes normally because, i was careless to miss out some small details. So i simply remind myself to double check my answers against the passage. I have hit rate of 80%-100%.

SC
This is my biggest problem. I started with hit rate of 60%, purely by using my ears. So I bought the famous Mahatten SC book and understand the concepts of SC much better. However, my hit rate drop dramatically to 30%. And this isn't a one-off incident, I had consistently hit only 30% since I got the Manhatten book. You can see my post a week ago about SC (help me!!!). I seriously could not understand WHY I become worse and worse in SC despite understanding better the tricks of SC? And 6 days before today, I had 13 mistakes in gmatprep2 and 10 of them are from SC!

I was disappointed and do not believe I can hit 7xx. My wife came and tried to encourage me. She sat down with me and went through the SC. To my surprise, without any gmat experience, she got most of the questions right! Considering I was all along stronger in the English Language than she is, I am surprise to see this. This incident woke me up. Having learn the skills of the SC, I assumed that I can read sentences and pick up those parallel errors or modifier errors, BUT I neglect the one most important skill that I used to posses. My ears!
So I change my strategy for SC. Instead of micro-analysing the the sentences, I will approach it at a MACRO level. By reading out the sentences and trusting my ears. With that, I eliminate at least half of the choices and use the micro skills to differential between the remaining choices which I failed to pick up the errors simply by reading.
I believe this action push me towards 7xx... considering I have never hit 7xx in any practise CAT test.

Practise CAT test
In the chronologial order of the time I took the test
Kaplan 1: 580
Kaplan 2: 580
PP1: 620
Arco 1: 640
Kaplan 3: 520
Arco 2: 690
PP2: 690
Kaplan 4: 580
Gmatprep1:690
Arco 3: 620
Gmatprep2:700 (6 days ago; but 8-9 questions overlap OG)

Materials
Arco Gold - pls DO NOT BUY!!!
But if you already own it and insist to study it. Try to make use of GMATCLUB so that you know which are the wrong answers. And pls ignore the CR completely!!

Kaplan Premier - good for Quant
Good - Quant is harder and and many CAT tests to practise your endurance
Bad - Verbal is not 100% reflective of GMAT

Kaplan 800
Good - excellent for CR.
Bad - All other sections are not 800 or even 700 standard. SC is not reflective of the real GMAT questions.

Manhatten GMAT
Good - clear explanation of the theory and skills for GMAT SC.
Bad - expensive and no examples to practise (except for those which it refers to OG11)

OG11
Good - reflective of all that you will see in GMAT. The only real book that I used to pratise SC.
Bad - Quant explanations are one sided. Do not explain those faster methods like back solving or nos testing.

Gmat Club
All good!!
But seriously, be firm, know where you stand. Don't get imtimidated by the many gurus here. Instead learn from them.

Ok, still have some other stuff to share with you guys, but my wife wants me out of the house to celebrate with her over a nice dinner.

I try to answer any questions tomorrow.
cheers!

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24 Jan 2006, 02:43
vivek123 wrote:
Hey vic,

CONGRATULATIONS

Don't think too much dude, your score is in front of you! So, it's a party time

how did you do in RCs?

Hi Vivek, just want to presonally say "a big thank" to you.
Thanks for all your encouragement when I feel so lost in the SC.
I dont think I could have done it without u.

Regarding RC, I think I did well, I usually don't have problems on RC.

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24 Jan 2006, 03:30
Well done!

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24 Jan 2006, 05:11
Awesome score.
congratulations.

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24 Jan 2006, 05:37
vic wrote:
vivek123 wrote:
Hey vic,

CONGRATULATIONS

Don't think too much dude, your score is in front of you! So, it's a party time

how did you do in RCs?

Hi Vivek, just want to presonally say "a big thank" to you.
Thanks for all your encouragement when I feel so lost in the SC.
I dont think I could have done it without u.

Regarding RC, I think I did well, I usually don't have problems on RC.

Hey vic,

You are always welcome, but it's your hard that paid off
I really envy you for RCs & of course overall score !

Have great time with the family & good luck with the apps!
Do hang around to guide others with your experience, it's really useful.

Cheers...

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24 Jan 2006, 09:09
Vic, believe it or not, your score will not change. You have to live with a stigma of 7XX!.

Congrats and enjoy!. You are in the 7XX club dude. Now move on

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24 Jan 2006, 09:32
Congrats!!!!

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24 Jan 2006, 09:34
Dude, the scores wont change.. ITS 720!. If I were you, I'd drink till i cant walk.. Have your best frnd walk you home.. its like 21st bday all over again
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24 Jan 2006, 09:34
hey Congrats.......
that's awesome...

I got a question for you.

So did you actually read out the question when you were doing the SC? didn't the ppl beside you complain?
Cuz i have the same problem, i am used to read the sentence out loud.

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24 Jan 2006, 12:02
Congratulations Vic, awesome score. Thanks for sharing your experience. I was wondering if you had any trouble with the ERASABLE WHITE BOARDS. How did you prepare for this debacle? Did it bother you much when you actually started to do the exam? Thanks very much.
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24 Jan 2006, 12:54
CONGRATS vic! Way to Go!!!

Time to burn OG as they say
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24 Jan 2006, 13:24
Congrats Vic!

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24 Jan 2006, 19:20
Thanks again everyone! Seriously, I couldn't have done it without GmatClub. In fact, each time, I stumble upon questions I don't know, i simply do a search and viola! I have usually at least 2-3 threads discussing the questions.

Ok, to answer mah927 and kcng8's questions.

Erasable board
Good - I get 10 sheets of those erasble board "paper". More than enough for Quant plus verbal. Fine tip marker pen is also quite comfortable.

Bad - For Quant, the pen is FRESH and i have no problems.
But by the time I got into the verbal section, the pen drys out on me. And I have to press on the tip of the pen harder than normal. Finally, I asked for a new pen. Nevertheless, considering it drys up only on the verbal section, it didn't bother me too much. I don't write a lot on verbal section.

Overall, I would say that there's not too much to worry about these erasable boards.

SC - reading out the sentences
All candidates are given earplugs. It is total silence, so I don't think reading out those sentences will disturb anyone.
Besides, personally, I don't really READ THEM OUT LOUD. Just at a whispering sort of volume.

By the way, I will sure hang out around GMAT Club for a while. But perhaps not to do those verbal or Quant sections. Afterall, I was never the expert. But i sure can offer some tips on study strategy...
And yes, will have to bother our dear Hjort a bit. To ask about the different B schools.

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25 Jan 2006, 08:25
vic wrote:
Thanks again everyone! Seriously, I couldn't have done it without GmatClub. In fact, each time, I stumble upon questions I don't know, i simply do a search and viola! I have usually at least 2-3 threads discussing the questions.

Ok, to answer mah927 and kcng8's questions.

Erasable board
Good - I get 10 sheets of those erasble board "paper". More than enough for Quant plus verbal. Fine tip marker pen is also quite comfortable.

Bad - For Quant, the pen is FRESH and i have no problems.
But by the time I got into the verbal section, the pen drys out on me. And I have to press on the tip of the pen harder than normal. Finally, I asked for a new pen. Nevertheless, considering it drys up only on the verbal section, it didn't bother me too much. I don't write a lot on verbal section.

Overall, I would say that there's not too much to worry about these erasable boards.

SC - reading out the sentences
All candidates are given earplugs. It is total silence, so I don't think reading out those sentences will disturb anyone.
Besides, personally, I don't really READ THEM OUT LOUD. Just at a whispering sort of volume.

By the way, I will sure hang out around GMAT Club for a while. But perhaps not to do those verbal or Quant sections. Afterall, I was never the expert. But i sure can offer some tips on study strategy...
And yes, will have to bother our dear Hjort a bit. To ask about the different B schools.

Hey Vic, thanx for the response

Now i got a REAL problem. My test center only offer me 2 erasable sheet at a time, and they will only trade u the used one when you are done by raising your hand. So should i complain about that?
by the way, that was only the Ultimate practice test offereed from Kaplan, not the real thing.

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25 Jan 2006, 18:18
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Hey Vic, thanx for the response

Now i got a REAL problem. My test center only offer me 2 erasable sheet at a time, and they will only trade u the used one when you are done by raising your hand. So should i complain about that?
by the way, that was only the Ultimate practice test offereed from Kaplan, not the real thing.

For me personally, the test center explain to me that it is suppose to be 2 erasable boards with 5 sheets each (thus total of ten sheets).
But in my country, they explain that they will give me 1 erasable board with 10 sheets instead. Makes no difference for me.

So I guess, the '2 boards and 5 sheets each' should be a norm. Perhaps you should call up the test center to enquire. Because, Kaplan might just be different.

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