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Hi,

Thank you for your replay :)

For goals,
1) 600-650
2)the deadline is on may 1st
3)university of Michigan-Flint

For CATs:
The prep tests were a lot easier than the actual exam especially the quant part, but verbal was similar
1)yes i did the entire tests,i wanted to practice my writing skills within limited time.
2) i took the exam at home
3) i took them during a period of two weeks before the exam
4)i only took breaks never skipped but ended up guessing five questions as i'm always unable to finish on time
5)i took 5 prep test, 2 Manhattan CAT
The ideas on the prep tests were somehow similar.

I hope you could help me :(
Im really depressed what did i do wrong ? :(



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Hi jiana90,

I'm sorry to hear that Test Day didn't go as well as hoped. When these types of score drops occur, the two likely "causes" involve either something that was unrealistic during practice or something that was surprising (or not accounted for) on Test Day. Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on your goals and how you took your practice CATs:

Goals:
1) What is your goal score?
2) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
3) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

CATs:
1) Did you take the ENTIRE CAT each time (including the Essay and IR sections)?
2) Did you take them at home?
3) Did you take them at the same time of day as your Official GMAT?
4) Did you ever do ANYTHING during your CATs that you couldn't do on Test Day (pause the CAT, skip sections, take longer breaks, etc.)?
5) Did you ever take a CAT more than once? Had you seen any of the questions BEFORE?

Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level.

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Hi,

Thank you for your replay :)

For goals,
1) 600-650
2)the deadline is on may 1st
3)university of Michigan-Flint

For CATs:
The prep tests were a lot easier than the actual exam especially the quant part, but verbal was similar
1)yes i did the entire tests,i wanted to practice my writing skills within limited time.
2) i took the exam at home
3) i took them during a period of two weeks before the exam
4)i only took breaks never skipped but ended up guessing five questions as i'm always unable to finish on time
5)i took 5 prep test, 2 Manhattan CAT
The ideas on the prep tests were somehow similar.

I hope you could help me :(
Im really depressed what did i do wrong ? :(



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Hi jiana90,

The process of taking (and reviewing) a CAT requires a significant amount of energy and effort - and takes time to 'recover' from. This is one of the reasons why you typically shouldn't take more than 1 CAT per week. By taking seven CATs in the two weeks right before your Official GMAT, there's a reasonable chance that you experienced some 'burn out' on Test Day - and that would help to explain why your score dropped so much in the Verbal section (since that's the last 75 minutes of the Test, when you would have been your most tired). In addition, by taking the CATs at home did, you did not properly prepare for what you were going to experience on Test Day (leaving your home, taking the Test in a strange environment with potential distractions, etc.). As such, regardless of how you choose to proceed, you will have to change your 'routine' for taking your CATs.

Thankfully, you still have plenty of time before the application deadline you've listed to continue to study and improve. However, to raise this 470 to a 600+, you will likely need to use all of that time - and do so in an efficient fashion - to hit that score. With a V17, you would have lost significant points in all 3 major Verbal categories (SC, RC and CR). You would likely find it really beneficial to invest in a GMAT Course of some type (either Guided Self-Study or instructor-led).

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Hi jiana90,

The process of taking (and reviewing) a CAT requires a significant amount of energy and effort - and takes time to 'recover' from. This is one of the reasons why you typically shouldn't take more than 1 CAT per week. By taking seven CATs in the two weeks right before your Official GMAT, there's a reasonable chance that you experienced some 'burn out' on Test Day - and that would help to explain why your score dropped so much in the Verbal section (since that's the last 75 minutes of the Test, when you would have been your most tired). In addition, by taking the CATs at home did, you did not properly prepare for what you were going to experience on Test Day (leaving your home, taking the Test in a strange environment with potential distractions, etc.). As such, regardless of how you choose to proceed, you will have to change your 'routine' for taking your CATs.

Thankfully, you still have plenty of time before the application deadline you've listed to continue to study and improve. However, to raise this 470 to a 600+, you will likely need to use all of that time - and do so in an efficient fashion - to hit that score. With a V17, you would have lost significant points in all 3 major Verbal categories (SC, RC and CR). You would likely find it really beneficial to invest in a GMAT Course of some type (either Guided Self-Study or instructor-led).

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Thank you so much for your advice.
Any recommendation on where find good gmat english instructor?


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Hi jiana90,

From your posts, I think that your English "skills" are fine - so I don't think that you need an English instructor to improve your GMAT score. You probably DO need to learn more about the Verbal section of the GMAT - the content & question types, Tactics, patterns, common wrong answer types, etc. so that you can hone your Verbal skills and earn a higher score.

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Heh Jiana90,
I am also a non-native english speaker. I took the GMAT three times, my first time was last october I canceled the score and it wasn't so different than yours. Look at my results afterwards. I don't think I'll win the next Pulitzer prize for journalism but I finally somehow did it! Don't lose hope, keep exercising and you'll do it! :-)
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Heh Jiana90,
I am also a non-native english speaker. I took the GMAT three times, my first time was last october I canceled the score and it wasn't so different than yours. Look at my results afterwards. I don't think I'll win the next Pulitzer prize for journalism but I finally somehow did it! Don't lose hope, keep exercising and you'll do it! :-)


Hey Akra!
Thanks for your reply.
I cant see your score anywhere hehehe
However, I'm planning to take a break before i would dig deep.
Can you pleaaaase tell me how did you improve your verbal skills?
Thanks alot!
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I thought you could read my scores below my name. Anyway, I finally scored 630 (Q 36 V 40). I followed Manhattan prep books strategy, both for verbal and quantitative. The best way to improve verbal skills in my opinion is reading a lot (magazines, articles, websites, journals...). In my opinion, the more you read the better your score will be.
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Hey Akra,

Well done. 630 is a really good score. I struggle with Verbal a lot (especially RC). What magazines or journal would you recommend to read in order to improve on reading comprehension ??

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Hi RanjanSury

The top recommendation for general GMAT reading is The Economist. The content, vocabulary, and sentence structure are all challenging and GMAT-appropriate.

Other good options:
* Scientific American
* Science News and Science News Daily (both online)
* The New York Times - specifically the Opinion section
* Smithsonian Magazine - excellent content and relevant vocabulary (especially for things like ancient civilizations / archeology, which GMAT likes to use) but sometimes their writing is a little too peppy and interesting, compared to the GMAT! Haha.

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Hi Jennifer,

Thank you for recommending these articles.

I truly appreciate your patience for taking the time to create this list and share it with me.

Have you taken the GMAT yet ? If so have these articles helped improve your Verbal score significantly ??

Thanks
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Hi Ranjan,

I've been a GMAT coach for the past 5 years, working primarily with non-native speakers of English, so these recommendations come from my experience as a coach and not as a candidate. (I took the GMAT most recently in 2016 and scored 770, with a perfect 51V, so I am deeply familiar with the exam.)

RC improvements really depend on what is causing you to get questions wrong. Do you struggle to really understand the texts, or to understand them in the limited time available on the exam? (Typical RC time management is 3 minutes for reading a short passage, up to 4 minutes for reading a longer one, and then an average of 1 minute per question) If so, increased reading from the above reading list will make a difference - but it's best to read articles from this list every day, instead of doing a big reading session once or twice a week.

But if you thought you understood a passage well yet are still getting the questions wrong, I suggest doing some other analysis. For more on that topic, see my post here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-to-revie ... l#p2062152

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Hi Jennifer,

Thank you for such a prompt response.

Thanks for the background. I'm sorry that I did not notice footer that you use as I was typing my previous post from a mobile in which the footer was hidden.

My biggest challenge with Reading comprehension is timing. Reading a passage and answering the questions that follow the passage eat into my time left. For example, I take about 8 minutes to read a passage carefully with complete understanding, while not focusing too much on specific details. When it comes to answering questions, I take almost 6 minutes to answer at least 3 questions. So put together a total of 14 minutes or more just leaves me with very little time left to answer CR and SC questions.

What's the best way to improve timing on RC. What would you recommend here ?

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Hey Jennifer,

I have just finished my first round of GMAT syllabus on eGMAT (both Quant and Verbal).
And even though I am not a native, my English is quite okay (both spoken and written, at least I like to think that way). The problem I am facing at present is in RC where I am not able to get through the complex passages. I may understand the meaning of the individual sentences per se, but I lose the 'connect' between successive sentences and therefore the passages. I may comprehend just a bit better with extra time, but I crumble under time pressure.

I am an avid reader too, so I always believed that my comprehension while doing GMAT RC won't be a problem.

Since I have about a month to appear for my GMAT exam, what do you recommend that I should do during these 30 days to improve my comprehension?

Should I read two articles from The Economist daily? Or should I start solving 'Very Hard' type questions under no time constraint to improve my comprehension?

What do you suggest I do at this stage? Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Sincerely,
Shail

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Thanks for a detailed reply, Jennifer!

Much appreciated,
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Hi Jennifer,

Thanks for some of those suggestions.

My biggest challenge lies in making meaning out of certain sentences.

I will be joining a class and with the help of a tutor address this specific challenge in RC.

Thanks
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