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If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR ?

(1) a = 4
(2) b = 1
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If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR?

You should know the following properties to solve this question:
A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that PR is a diameter then angle PQR is a right angle.

Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular QT divides right triangle PQR into two similar triangles PQT and QRT (which are also similar to big triangle PQR). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: QR/PR=QT/PQ=TR/QR. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from PR, PQ, QR, PT, QT, TR then we'll be able to find other 4. We are given that QT=2 thus to find PR we need to know the length of any other line segment.

Also in such kind of triangles might be useful to equate the areas to find the length of some line segment, for example area of PQR=1/2*QT*PR=1/2*QP*QR (for more check: triangles-106177.html, geometry-problem-106009.html, mgmat-ds-help-94037.html, help-108776.html)

(1) a = 4. Sufficient.

(2) b = 1. Sufficient.

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If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR ?

(1) a = 4
(2) b= 1

Better you learn some relations which hold true for such triangle.
One which has 2 right angles as here in attachment.
As per that

4 = a*b
a+b=?
Now.
A) a = 4 so b =1
B) b=1 so a = 4

OA D
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If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR ?

(1) a = 4
(2) b= 1

Another approach that could be implemented in thsi question is:
Since there is a perpendicular drawn to the hypotenuese, therefore the two triangles that are formed must be similar to each other and to the larger one.

So if one side of a triangle reduces by a certain ratio, the other side must also reduce.
In the diagram attached, if one considers any of the statement then he will be able to find out the other side.
Consider statement 1) a=4

Look into the diagram. In the middle triangle, "a" or PI=4. We are given with the fact that IQ=2. Now in the smallest triangle, the corresponding side of PI=IQ. IQ=2. Therefore the factor with which PI has reduced is 2. Therefore other side must also reduce by the same factor. Hence IR=1.
Sufficient

Statement 2)
b=1. "b" is the corresponding side of IQ. So IQ , in the middle traingle, has reduced by a factor of 2. In the smallest triangle IQ=2. Therefore PI must be 4.
Sufficient.
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22 Dec 2012, 05:05
Bunnel can you explain the below part little elaboarately

For example: QR/PR=QT/PQ=TR/QR. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from PR, PQ, QR, PT, QT, TR then we'll be able to find other 4. We are given that QT=2 thus to find PR we need to know the length of any other line segment.

I really dont understand the concept
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If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR ?

(1) a = 4
(2) b= 1

Another approach that could be implemented in thsi question is:
Since there is a perpendicular drawn to the hypotenuese, therefore the two triangles that are formed must be similar to each other and to the larger one.

So if one side of a triangle reduces by a certain ratio, the other side must also reduce.
In the diagram attached, if one considers any of the statement then he will be able to find out the other side.
Consider statement 1) a=4

Look into the diagram. In the middle triangle, "a" or PI=4. We are given with the fact that IQ=2. Now in the smallest triangle, the corresponding side of PI=IQ. IQ=2. Therefore the factor with which PI has reduced is 2. Therefore other side must also reduce by the same factor. Hence IR=1.
Sufficient

Statement 2)
b=1. "b" is the corresponding side of IQ. So IQ , in the middle traingle, has reduced by a factor of 2. In the smallest triangle IQ=2. Therefore PI must be 4.
Sufficient.

Little complex for me... don u think bunuel's method is easier?
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Can anybody explain why the area of the triangle PQR : Which is a right angle triangle in the figure above at Q, is not 1/2*QR*PQ ? Assuming this triangle was drawn without the semi-circle and if I slightly redraw the triangle keeping the base at QR, and PQ becomes the height and PR is the hypotenuse, then isnt the area of the triangle 1/2*QR*PQ?

Why is it that in these type of triangles which are drawn in such manner, that the hypotenuse is the base, the height is drawn from one vertex to another and then area is calculated?

This question is just to douse this silly doubt lingering in my head.
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Can anybody explain why the area of the triangle PQR : Which is a right angle triangle in the figure above at Q, is not 1/2*QR*PQ ? Assuming this triangle was drawn without the semi-circle and if I slightly redraw the triangle keeping the base at QR, and PQ becomes the height and PR is the hypotenuse, then isnt the area of the triangle 1/2*QR*PQ?

Why is it that in these type of triangles which are drawn in such manner, that the hypotenuse is the base, the height is drawn from one vertex to another and then area is calculated?

This question is just to douse this silly doubt lingering in my head.

The area of triangle PQR IS 1/2*PQ*QR but it's ALSO 1/2*PR*QT.
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If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR?

Also in such kind of triangles might be useful to equate the areas to find the length of some line segment, for example area of PQR=1/2*QT*PR=1/2*QP*QR

(1) a = 4. Sufficient.

(2) b = 1. Sufficient.

1/2*QT*PR=1/2*QP*QR
=> PR = (QP*QR)/2

With this equation, how statement 1 or 2 is being judged. Will you please fill up the gap?
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Bunuel wrote:

If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR?

Also in such kind of triangles might be useful to equate the areas to find the length of some line segment, for example area of PQR=1/2*QT*PR=1/2*QP*QR

(1) a = 4. Sufficient.

(2) b = 1. Sufficient.

1/2*QT*PR=1/2*QP*QR
=> PR = (QP*QR)/2

With this equation, how statement 1 or 2 is being judged. Will you please fill up the gap?

It's better to use ratios for this question.

For (1) use the following ratio: PT/QT = QT/RT --> 4/2 = 2/RT --> RT = 1 --> PR = PT + RT = 4 + 1 = 5.

For (2) use the the same ratio: PT/QT = QT/RT --> PT/2 = 2/1--> PT = 4 --> PR = PT + RT = 4 + 1 = 5.

Hope it's clear.
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If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR?

You should know the following properties to solve this question:
A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that PR is a diameter then angle PQR is a right angle.

Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular QT divides right triangle PQR into two similar triangles PQT and QRT (which are also similar to big triangle PQR). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: QR/PR=QT/PQ=TR/QR. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from PR, PQ, QR, PT, QT, TR then we'll be able to find other 4. We are given that QT=2 thus to find PR we need to know the length of any other line segment.

Also in such kind of triangles might be useful to equate the areas to find the length of some line segment, for example area of PQR=1/2*QT*PR=1/2*QP*QR (for more check: triangles-106177.html, geometry-problem-106009.html, mgmat-ds-help-94037.html, help-108776.html)

(1) a = 4. Sufficient.

(2) b = 1. Sufficient.

Can someone pls explain how to understand which angles are equal in such cases so that we will be able to define opposite sides.
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If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR?

You should know the following properties to solve this question:
A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that PR is a diameter then angle PQR is a right angle.

Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular QT divides right triangle PQR into two similar triangles PQT and QRT (which are also similar to big triangle PQR). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: QR/PR=QT/PQ=TR/QR. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from PR, PQ, QR, PT, QT, TR then we'll be able to find other 4. We are given that QT=2 thus to find PR we need to know the length of any other line segment.

Also in such kind of triangles might be useful to equate the areas to find the length of some line segment, for example area of PQR=1/2*QT*PR=1/2*QP*QR (for more check: triangles-106177.html, geometry-problem-106009.html, mgmat-ds-help-94037.html, help-108776.html)

(1) a = 4. Sufficient.

(2) b = 1. Sufficient.

we do not need to know this property. just make an equation in which b is a unknown number . we can solve

we can not remember this property in the test room.

the og explanation of this problem is good enough.

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Another alternative and simpler solution is shown in the video, at 2:00.

The best solution I have seen for this question. Way better than any others. Thanks!
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This is a new question (DS 131) from the 2016 edition of the Official Guide.

Note that there are three right triangles total (small, medium, large). A right angle is marked at the bottom of the medium triangle, but there is another in the large as well (esoteric geometry rule: all triangles inscribed in semicircles are 90 degrees--knowing this is vital or you cannot solve the question), and of course in the small triangle (straight line = 180 degrees).

Pythagorean theorem time!

1) Given a, we can solve for PQ in terms of a.
2) Given b, we can solve for QR in terms of b.

This means we have two variables, a and b. a + b = PR, so given either a or b we can solve for PR.

1) a = 4. sufficient

2) b = 1. sufficient

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This is a new question (DS 131) from the 2016 edition of the Official Guide.

Note that there are three right triangles total (small, medium, large). A right angle is marked at the bottom of the medium triangle, but there is another in the large as well (esoteric geometry rule: all triangles inscribed in semicircles are 90 degrees--knowing this is vital or you cannot solve the question), and of course in the small triangle (straight line = 180 degrees).

Pythagorean theorem time!

1) Given a, we can solve for PQ in terms of a.
2) Given b, we can solve for QR in terms of b.

This means we have two variables, a and b. a + b = PR, so given either a or b we can solve for PR.

1) a = 4. sufficient

2) b = 1. sufficient

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Do you seriously think that question will ask what is a+b = ?
So that , from stat (1) + (2)
you can say a + b = 5 ;
GMAT will never ask addition of two numbers , so cut out the option C
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If arc PQR above is a semicircle, what is the length of diameter PR ?

(1) a = 4
(2) b = 1

I did this in a different way and still got the same answer, So if you look at the property of a semicircle, then if the triangle is formed using the diameter of the semicircle the the angle subtended by the angle formed at the arc is 90

Now given that Pythagorus theorem for the bog triangle PQR, $$PQ^2=QR^2+PR^2$$; $$PR^2= (a+b)^2$$ Now let PQ be x and QR be y then $$x^2+y^2= (a+b)^2$$---eq1

Smaller triangles PQa $$x^2=a^2+4$$; QRb $$y^2= b^2+4$$--- eq2,3
now eq 2+3
$$x^2+y^2=a^2+b^2+8$$
equate the same with eq 1 and get rid of x and y

$$(a+b)^2=a^2+b^2+8$$
$$a^2+b^2+2ab=a^2+b^2+8$$

2ab=8
ab=4

Now the question is actually asking if ab=4 what is a+b

knowing either the value of a or b we will know the other variable because of the multiplication constraint and get a+b

hence D

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PQT and QRT (which are also similar to big triangle PQR) is wrong. It should be similar to triangle PRQ. Makes a difference.
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