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If the new department store would open by Thanksgiving, it will be attracting many holiday shoppers.

A) would open by Thanksgiving, it will be attracting
B) would be opened by Thanksgiving, it would be able to attract
C) was opening by Thanksgiving, it would be able to attract
D) was to open by Thanksgiving, it also will attract
E) opens before Thanksgiving, it will attract

Can some one help me to understand that when do we use would, as would is the conditional Operator.

Sometimes some error are based on would.

Take the example of this sentence-

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Originally posted by honchos on 01 Aug 2013, 13:07.
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If the new department store would open by Thanksgiving, it will be attracting many holiday shoppers.

A. would open by Thanksgiving, it will be attracting

B. would be opened by Thanksgiving, it would be able to attract

C. was opening by Thanksgiving, it would be able to attract

D. was to open by Thanksgiving, it also will attract

E. opens before Thanksgiving, it will attract

the question tests us for use of if clause...

if clause can never have would in it
if the second clause has will in it , if clause will have present tense
only E follows the two rules so ans E
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The usage of would in the GMAT is refered mainly to:
I)Describe an hypothetical sytuation: "If I were tall, I would play basketball".
II)To make a prediction from the past. So if in a sentence you are "in the past" and you want to make a prediction => would is correct.
If you are "in the present" the correct word to use is "will".

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If the new department store would open by Thanksgiving, it will be attracting many holiday shoppers.

A) would open by Thanksgiving, it will be attracting
B) would be opened by Thanksgiving, it would be able to attract
C) was opening by Thanksgiving, it would be able to attract
D) was to open by Thanksgiving, it also will attract
E) opens before Thanksgiving, it will attract


E, though, is an example of what is called conditional sentence: if + present, will + future.
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What is correct-

"If I were tall, I would play basketball".

or

"If I was tall, I would play basketball".

was is correct or would is correct?
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What is correct-

"If I were tall, I would play basketball".

or

"If I was tall, I would play basketball".

was is correct or would is correct?


If I were tall, (...) is correct. This is a case of Subjunctive Mood.
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Wow, Now I will search for Subjunctive mood on Internet.
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One problem with this sentence is that the first clause of an “if x, then y” sentence
should not contain the conditional verb “would”. The other problem is that the tense of
the second clause is incorrect. This is an “if x, then y” sentence in which the first
clause concerns a possible future event, and the second clause concerns a predicted
consequence of that event. The first clause should therefore be in the present tense,
and the second clause should be in the simple future tense (“it will attract”).
(A) This choice is incorrect as it repeats the original sentence.
(B) The first clause of this version is incorrect because: (1) it still contains "would",
and (2) there is no good reason to use the passive voice ("be opened") here. The
second clause is incorrect because it changes the meaning of the sentence by saying
that the store would merely "be able to" attract holiday shoppers.
(C) "If it was opening" is always incorrect. For a possible future event in an "if" clause,
you should normally use the present tense and the indicative mood: "If it opens". [If
you wanted to indicate skepticism about the possibility that the store will open, you
could use the subjunctive mood. But the correct way to do that would be to say "If it
opened" or "If it were to open" or "If it were opening".]
The second clause of this sentence is also incorrect, as explained in (B).
(D) "If it was to open" is always incorrect. As noted for (C), you should normally say "If
it opens". [If you wanted to change the meaning of the sentence, which is not a good
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idea in sentence correction problems, you could use the subjunctive mood. But the
correct way to do that would be to say "If it opened" or "If it were to open" or "If it were
opening".]
In the second clause, "also" is unnecessary and somewhat illogical. The action in
the second clause will happen, if it happens at all, as a later result of what happens in
the first clause. The word "also" contains a suggestion of simultaneity that is
inappropriate in this context.
(E) CORRECT. We now have a correct “if x, then y” sentence, in which the first
clause is in the present tense and the second clause is in the simple future tense.



I am not happy with the above explanation-

Because this link says-

http://www.englishclub.com/grammar/verb ... -would.htm

would is also used as Conditionals
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Wow, Now I will search for Subjunctive mood on Internet.


Search for hypothetical subjunctive then :)
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Why is B not correct.



Well the if part cannot have any would or could elements. Check the possible usage of if else. It is mentioned in the Manhattan Gmat SC guide.
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Why is B not correct.



Well the if part cannot have any would or could elements. Check the possible usage of if else. It is mentioned in the Manhattan Gmat SC guide.


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If ( simple past), then (simple past or would- verb) --> does this construction make sense ?

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If ( simple past), then (simple past or would- verb) --> does this construction make sense ?

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hi SG,
there are three possiblities of if clause...
1)
type------------- if-clause ---------- main clause
1----------- Simple Present---------- will-future
2----------- Simple Past--------- would + infinitive
3----------- Past Perfect--------- would + have + past participle
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One problem with this sentence is that the first clause of an “if x, then y” sentence should not contain the conditional verb “would”. The other problem is that the tense of the second clause is incorrect. This is an “if x, then y” sentence in which the first clause concerns a possible future event, and the second clause concerns a predicted consequence of that event. The first clause should therefore be in the present tense, and the second clause should be in the simple future tense (“it will attract”).

(A) This choice is incorrect as it repeats the original sentence.

(B) The first clause of this version is incorrect because: (1) it still contains "would", and (2) there is no good reason to use the passive voice ("be opened") here. The second clause is incorrect because it changes the meaning of the sentence by saying that the store would merely "be able to" attract holiday shoppers.

(C) "If it was opening" is always incorrect. For a possible future event in an "if" clause, you should normally use the present tense and the indicative mood: "If it opens". [If you wanted to indicate skepticism about the possibility that the store will open, you could use the subjunctive mood. But the correct way to do that would be to say "If it opened" or "If it were to open" or "If it were opening".] The second clause of this sentence is also incorrect, as explained in (B).

(D) "If it was to open" is always incorrect. As noted for (C), you should normally say "If it opens". [If you wanted to change the meaning of the sentence, which is not a good idea in sentence correction problems, you could use the subjunctive mood. But the correct way to do that would be to say "If it opened" or "If it were to open" or "If it were opening".] In the second clause, "also" is unnecessary and somewhat illogical. The action in the second clause will happen, if it happens at all, as a later result of what happens in the first clause. The word "also" contains a suggestion of simultaneity that is inappropriate in this context.

(E) CORRECT. We now have a correct “if x, then y” sentence, in which the first clause is in the present tense and the second clause is in the simple future tense.
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If + (clause tense) Simple Present , then + (Cause tense) Simple Present / Simple Future
If + (Cause tense) Simple Past , then + (Cause tense) Simple Past / would verb
If + (Cause tense) Past Perfect , then + (Cause tense) would have verb

Hence, the only option with the correct If.. Then..construction is E.
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Sure, thanks a lot, option [E]. Gopalakrishnan Kumar.
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