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I think it's A. Since x < 0 , let us consider x = 2 \(\sqrt{xx}\) = \(\sqrt{ (2)(2)}\) = \(\sqrt{4}\) = 2 What's the OA ?
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Hey I'm sorry guys, this still does not make sense. Everyone's argument here is that the square root of 4 is 2, that is just not true! The square root of 4 is 2 OR 2. We're just accustomed to thinking that 2 is the "standard root" but 2 is just as correct. Therefore the square of 2 (which is x in this case) is 4, and the squareroot of that is 2 OR 2! So it could be x or x.
This seems wrong and no one's explanation makes any sense.



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shammokando wrote: Hey I'm sorry guys, this still does not make sense. Everyone's argument here is that the square root of 4 is 2, that is just not true! The square root of 4 is 2 OR 2. We're just accustomed to thinking that 2 is the "standard root" but 2 is just as correct. Therefore the square of 2 (which is x in this case) is 4, and the squareroot of that is 2 OR 2! So it could be x or x.
This seems wrong and no one's explanation makes any sense. Red part is not correct. THEORY:GMAT is dealing only with Real Numbers: Integers, Fractions and Irrational Numbers. When the GMAT provides the square root sign for an even root, such as \(\sqrt{x}\) or \(\sqrt[4]{x}\), then the only accepted answer is the positive root. That is, \(\sqrt{25}=5\), NOT +5 or 5. In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and 5. Even roots have only a positive value on the GMAT.Odd roots will have the same sign as the base of the root. For example, \(\sqrt[3]{125} =5\) and \(\sqrt[3]{64} =4\). Solution for the original question:Given: \(x<0\) Question: \(\sqrt{x*x}=?\). Remember: \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\). As \(x<0\), then \(x=x\) > \(\sqrt{x*x}=\sqrt{(x)*(x)}=\sqrt{x^2}=x=x\). Answer: A. Hope it helps.
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Bunuel wrote: Red part is not correct.
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GMAT is dealing only with Real Numbers: Integers, Fractions and Irrational Numbers.
When the GMAT provides the square root sign for an even root, such as \(\sqrt{x}\) or \(\sqrt[4]{x}\), then the only accepted answer is the positive root.
[highlight]That is, \(\sqrt{25}=5\), NOT +5 or 5. In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and 5. Even roots have only a positive value on the GMAT.[/highlight] Odd roots will have the same sign as the base of the root. For example, \(\sqrt[3]{125} =5\) and \(\sqrt[3]{64} =4\).
Solution for the original question:
Given: \(x<0\) Question: \(\sqrt{x*x}=?\).
Remember: \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\).
As \(x<0\), then \(x=x\) > \(\sqrt{x*x}=\sqrt{(x)*(x)}=\sqrt{x^2}=x=x\).
Answer: A.
Hope it helps. I'd really like an expert's explanation of this, you're explanation is not right. You say the GMAT deals with real numbers, true... negative integers/nonintegers are real numbers, a non real number is 5i, or the sqrrt of 1 (i). The square root of any positive number is real. period. And, on the highlighted part, you have no justification for your delineation, Those are literally identical equations, you just chose to give one two roots and the other 1... I looked it up in OFFICIAL GMAT Literature... EVERYONE go look at pg 114 of OG 12 it says, \(\sqrt{9}=3 OR 3\). It defines ALL EVEN ROOTS AS HAVING 2 solutions, plus and minus. It is just incorrect to claim the square root of 4 is 2. We learned this in middle school... And I absolutely know the GMAT has tested negative values of the root before...



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shammokando wrote: Bunuel wrote: Red part is not correct.
THEORY:
GMAT is dealing only with Real Numbers: Integers, Fractions and Irrational Numbers.
When the GMAT provides the square root sign for an even root, such as \(\sqrt{x}\) or \(\sqrt[4]{x}\), then the only accepted answer is the positive root.
[highlight]That is, \(\sqrt{25}=5\), NOT +5 or 5. In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and 5. Even roots have only a positive value on the GMAT.[/highlight] Odd roots will have the same sign as the base of the root. For example, \(\sqrt[3]{125} =5\) and \(\sqrt[3]{64} =4\).
Solution for the original question:
Given: \(x<0\) Question: \(\sqrt{x*x}=?\).
Remember: \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\).
[highlight]As \(x<0\), then \(x=x\) > \(\sqrt{x*x}=\sqrt{(x)*(x)}=\sqrt{x^2}=x=x\).[/highlight] Answer: A.
Hope it helps. I'd really like an expert's explanation of this, you're explanation is not right. You say the GMAT deals with real numbers, true... negative integers/nonintegers are real numbers, a non real number is 5i, or the sqrrt of 1 (i). The square root of any positive number is real. period. And, on the highlighted part, you have no justification for your delineation, Those are literally identical equations, you just chose to give one two roots and the other 1... I looked it up in OFFICIAL GMAT Literature... EVERYONE go look at pg 114 of OG 12 it says, \(\sqrt{9}=3 OR 3\). It defines ALL EVEN ROOTS AS HAVING 2 solutions, plus and minus. It is just incorrect to claim the square root of 4 is 2. We learned this in middle school... And I absolutely know the GMAT has tested negative values of the root before... Read that last part of the Bunuel Explanation which is highlighted here And trust me Bunuel is one of the best guys on this forum. For all real numbers x \(\sqrt{x^2} = x = x ....... if ...... x>= 0\) \(= x ........if ....... x <0\) And here in the question its mentioned that x<0 and thats why the answer is x See this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_rootI hope this helps.



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I mean absolutely no disrespect, I'm very impressed and grateful of the help Bruenel has personally given me. I'm just still not getting it... From Wiki: Quote: Although the principal square root of a positive number is only one of its two square roots, the designation "the square root" is often used to refer to the principal square root. That's pretty arbitrary and would HAVE to be explicitly stated by the GMAT somewhere, otherwise that's insanely controversial. I pointed out the official GMAC Literature, Pg 114 of the OG 12 states that Quote: Every positive number n has 2 square roots It says N has 2 square roots! Replace N with X^2, and you have that X^2 has 2 square roots, +/ X. Therefore it could be (+x) or it could be +(x) and be the right answer. I just don't see where you have seen the claim that x^2 is the absolute value of x... The wiki page doesn't even state that. You're claiming the root of x^2 is ONLY x. x*x is also x^2. Sorry to be difficult.



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shammokando wrote: I mean absolutely no disrespect, I'm very impressed and grateful of the help Bruenel has personally given me. I'm just still not getting it... From Wiki: Quote: Although the principal square root of a positive number is only one of its two square roots, the designation "the square root" is often used to refer to the principal square root. That's pretty arbitrary and would HAVE to be explicitly stated by the GMAT somewhere, otherwise that's insanely controversial. I pointed out the official GMAC Literature, Pg 114 of the OG 12 states that Quote: Every positive number n has 2 square roots It says N has 2 square roots! Replace N with X^2, and you have that X^2 has 2 square roots, +/ X. Therefore it could be (+x) or it could be +(x) and be the right answer. I just don't see where you have seen the claim that x^2 is the absolute value of x... The wiki page doesn't even state that. You're claiming the root of x^2 is ONLY x. x*x is also x^2. Sorry to be difficult. I got your point, and I understand how irritating it can be when there is some thing which you are not able to understand, Anyway, about the wiki link if you scroll a bit you will that ... I am attaching a screen shot for reference. Second, about the 2 roots, yes you are right that there are 2 roots ( +x) but that depends upon the value of x and thats why we always say that roots are in the form of \(\sqrt{x^2}=x = +x\) ( depending where x lies on the number line as in whether its ve or +ve)
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I see. Again apologies for the difficulties. I was just trying to fully understand it. These are subtleties I was never taught
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Hi Bunuel, I really did not understand why you wrote , "As x < 0, then x = x" As I see, even if x is < 0 still since its inside mod sign, its value will always be positive. Also, we cannot have value of absolute structure as a negative number. The whole stuff inside "...." is confusing. Can you please clarify on this. Kind Regards, DK Bunuel wrote: LM wrote: If x<0, then \(\sqrt{xx}\) is:
A. x B. 1 C. 1 D. x E. \(\sqrt{x}\) Given: \(x<0\) Question: \(y=\sqrt{x*x}\)? Remember: \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\). As \(x<0\), then \(x=x\) > \(\sqrt{x*x}=\sqrt{(x)*(x)}=\sqrt{x^2}=x=x\). Answer: A.



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dk19761976 wrote: Hi Bunuel, I really did not understand why you wrote , "As x < 0, then x = x" As I see, even if x is < 0 still since its inside mod sign, its value will always be positive. Also, we cannot have value of absolute structure as a negative number. The whole stuff inside "...." is confusing. Can you please clarify on this. Kind Regards, DK Bunuel wrote: LM wrote: If x<0, then \(\sqrt{xx}\) is:
A. x B. 1 C. 1 D. x E. \(\sqrt{x}\) Given: \(x<0\) Question: \(y=\sqrt{x*x}\)? Remember: \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\). As \(x<0\), then \(x=x\) > \(\sqrt{x*x}=\sqrt{(x)*(x)}=\sqrt{x^2}=x=x\). Answer: A. If x is negative, then x = x = negative = positive. So, as you can see the result is still positive. For example, if x=5, then 5 = (5) = 5. Absolute value properties:When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(x=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(some \ expression={(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(5=5=(5)\); When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(x=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(some \ expression={some \ expression}\). For example: \(5=5\). Hope this helps.
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If x < 0, then x = x. So by substituting, we have: \(\sqrt{ (x) ( x )} = \sqrt{ (x)(x)} = \sqrt{x^2}\) Now it's important to understand that √(x^2) is not necessarily equal to x. That is only true when x is positive (or zero). You can see, if you plug in any negative number here, say x = 3, that √(x^2) = √9 = 3, which is not equal to x because the sign changed; it's actually equal to x. In general, √(x^2) is always equal to x. Since x < 0 in this question, √(x^2) = x = x.
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LM wrote: If x<0, then \(\sqrt{xx}\) is:
A. x B. 1 C. 1 D. x E. \(\sqrt{x}\) Clearly B, C and E are not the answers. Now square root always returns a non negative ( 0 or positive) value... Since x < 0 ... We x >=0. Thus Option A Kudos... If this helps
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Test It process was x < 0, so is negative number x = 4 \(\sqrt{(4 ) I 4 I}\) \(\sqrt{16}\) 4 Substitute x in options (x) = (4) = 4 A Thanks Rich.
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IanStewart wrote: If x < 0, then x = x. So by substituting, we have:
\(\sqrt{ (x) ( x )} = \sqrt{ (x)(x)} = \sqrt{x^2}\)
Now it's important to understand that √(x^2) is not necessarily equal to x. That is only true when x is positive (or zero). You can see, if you plug in any negative number here, say x = 3, that √(x^2) = √9 = 3, which is not equal to x because the sign changed; it's actually equal to x. In general, √(x^2) is always equal to x. Since x < 0 in this question, √(x^2) = x = x. A very very important point discussed by you. That's the way I did, and found answer as "x" not "x". I cancelled root with power of x.
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shammokando wrote: Hey I'm sorry guys, this still does not make sense. Everyone's argument here is that the square root of 4 is 2, that is just not true! The square root of 4 is 2 OR 2. We're just accustomed to thinking that 2 is the "standard root" but 2 is just as correct. Therefore the square of 2 (which is x in this case) is 4, and the squareroot of that is 2 OR 2! So it could be x or x.
This seems wrong and no one's explanation makes any sense. Since x<0, The mod of x inside the square root will be x. So, Sqrt of(x)(x) = mod (x). This is the answer and now since x <0 is already the condition , therefore mod of x must be x.




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